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So stupid. The game continues to be less popular every year and now the owners decide on a lockout. Knock knock...who's there?.....fan apathy......(owners) fan apathy wh....oh f*ck.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/3275...ng-lockout
"While viewership is up compared to the 2020 season, MLB has seen its league-wide household average fall 12% when comparing the 2021 and 2019 seasons. Of the 29 markets, 12 saw drops in TV viewerships across households."
I wouldn't say that MLB is dying completely mainly because despite lower TV ratings, it still can outperform other programming to some extent (regular network shows). Every sport got a big bounce back from 2020 because of COVID, so I don't look at that metric. Places like New York and Boston, baseball is still pretty popular. And despite numerous stories 2-3 years ago about MLB's demise and decreasing popularity, I see this new narrative from writers suddenly defending baseball and saying its not dying....like suddenly some realized 'shit....I make my living off of this sport, better get on the bandwagon'. Anyway, gotta love rich people fighting over money in a sport that is declining. Always goes over well with the fans. I've never been a baseball fan personally, I find it too slow and the games WAY too long.
It's dumb and Manfred is an idiot. Arbitration is an absolutely stupid concept and should be removed from the sport. Also, I support the players by wanting to implement minimum salary caps so that folks cant tank
maybe i will care, when the twins are taken away from the Pohlad family.
I lost interest in MLB years ago when it just became a money game of haves/have-nots. I haven't watched a baseball game in at least 10 years.
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
It's dumb and Manfred is an idiot. Arbitration is an absolutely stupid concept and should be removed from the sport. Also, I support the players by wanting to implement minimum salary caps so that folks cant tank
The players are worse than the owners. The owners at least had wealth prior to owning the team in most cases. The upper 10% of the players could agree to distribute their money more evenly and support a teams entire minor league system. Each system has roughly 200 players. That means the average Major League team is paying an average of 500K to 1MM per year to their players throughout the entire system. Of that, the MLB average is about 4.5MM per year. I guess that's not enough?? lol
Rough math says the owners are paying out roughly 40% of their payroll to the players, which is a very high % as labor goes. Average team salary is above $110MM. A team averaging 20,000 fans a game at $80 of revenue per head gets you to the game day revenue. Most articles I've read said about 50% of revenue comes from game day. Once you look at the figures, it makes sense that the owner are trying to keep the costs in line. People will only stand for the ridiculous costs of going to the game for so long, before they check out.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
It's dumb and Manfred is an idiot. Arbitration is an absolutely stupid concept and should be removed from the sport. Also, I support the players by wanting to implement minimum salary caps so that folks cant tank
The players are worse than the owners. The owners at least had wealth prior to owning the team in most cases. The upper 10% of the players could agree to distribute their money more evenly and support a teams entire minor league system. Each system has roughly 200 players. That means the average Major League team is paying an average of 500K to 1MM per year to their players throughout the entire system. Of that, the MLB average is about 4.5MM per year. I guess that's not enough?? lol
Rough math says the owners are paying out roughly 40% of their payroll to the players, which is a very high % as labor goes. Average team salary is above $110MM. A team averaging 20,000 fans a game at $80 of revenue per head gets you to the game day revenue. Most articles I've read said about 50% of revenue comes from game day. Once you look at the figures, it makes sense that the owner are trying to keep the costs in line. People will only stand for the ridiculous costs of going to the game for so long, before they check out.
I dont think the players are worse. Teams deciding to keep players in the minor leagues for a few extra weeks just to have control over them for longer is absurd. Arbitration is ridiculous, just pay them what they are worth or let them go elsewhere...why is that even a thing in professional sports? From what I've read those seems to be the biggest hold ups.
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
It's dumb and Manfred is an idiot. Arbitration is an absolutely stupid concept and should be removed from the sport. Also, I support the players by wanting to implement minimum salary caps so that folks cant tank
The players are worse than the owners. The owners at least had wealth prior to owning the team in most cases. The upper 10% of the players could agree to distribute their money more evenly and support a teams entire minor league system. Each system has roughly 200 players. That means the average Major League team is paying an average of 500K to 1MM per year to their players throughout the entire system. Of that, the MLB average is about 4.5MM per year. I guess that's not enough?? lol
Rough math says the owners are paying out roughly 40% of their payroll to the players, which is a very high % as labor goes. Average team salary is above $110MM. A team averaging 20,000 fans a game at $80 of revenue per head gets you to the game day revenue. Most articles I've read said about 50% of revenue comes from game day. Once you look at the figures, it makes sense that the owner are trying to keep the costs in line. People will only stand for the ridiculous costs of going to the game for so long, before they check out.
I dont think the players are worse. Teams deciding to keep players in the minor leagues for a few extra weeks just to have control over them for longer is absurd. Arbitration is ridiculous, just pay them what they are worth or let them go elsewhere...why is that even a thing in professional sports? From what I've read those seems to be the biggest hold ups.
I guess if you choose to comment without any thought behind it, that makes sense. Ignore the facts that hurt your argument and blow up all the wrongs. I agree with the thought process, but people tend to ignore the true issues.
Quote: @Waterboy said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
It's dumb and Manfred is an idiot. Arbitration is an absolutely stupid concept and should be removed from the sport. Also, I support the players by wanting to implement minimum salary caps so that folks cant tank
The players are worse than the owners. The owners at least had wealth prior to owning the team in most cases. The upper 10% of the players could agree to distribute their money more evenly and support a teams entire minor league system. Each system has roughly 200 players. That means the average Major League team is paying an average of 500K to 1MM per year to their players throughout the entire system. Of that, the MLB average is about 4.5MM per year. I guess that's not enough?? lol
Rough math says the owners are paying out roughly 40% of their payroll to the players, which is a very high % as labor goes. Average team salary is above $110MM. A team averaging 20,000 fans a game at $80 of revenue per head gets you to the game day revenue. Most articles I've read said about 50% of revenue comes from game day. Once you look at the figures, it makes sense that the owner are trying to keep the costs in line. People will only stand for the ridiculous costs of going to the game for so long, before they check out.
I dont think the players are worse. Teams deciding to keep players in the minor leagues for a few extra weeks just to have control over them for longer is absurd. Arbitration is ridiculous, just pay them what they are worth or let them go elsewhere...why is that even a thing in professional sports? From what I've read those seems to be the biggest hold ups.
I guess if you choose to comment without any thought behind it, that makes sense. Ignore the facts that hurt your argument and blow up all the wrongs. I agree with the thought process, but people tend to ignore the true issues.
Can you disagree without being imsulting? Please get that figured out before hitting post again
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ Waterboy said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
It's dumb and Manfred is an idiot. Arbitration is an absolutely stupid concept and should be removed from the sport. Also, I support the players by wanting to implement minimum salary caps so that folks cant tank
The players are worse than the owners. The owners at least had wealth prior to owning the team in most cases. The upper 10% of the players could agree to distribute their money more evenly and support a teams entire minor league system. Each system has roughly 200 players. That means the average Major League team is paying an average of 500K to 1MM per year to their players throughout the entire system. Of that, the MLB average is about 4.5MM per year. I guess that's not enough?? lol
Rough math says the owners are paying out roughly 40% of their payroll to the players, which is a very high % as labor goes. Average team salary is above $110MM. A team averaging 20,000 fans a game at $80 of revenue per head gets you to the game day revenue. Most articles I've read said about 50% of revenue comes from game day. Once you look at the figures, it makes sense that the owner are trying to keep the costs in line. People will only stand for the ridiculous costs of going to the game for so long, before they check out.
I dont think the players are worse. Teams deciding to keep players in the minor leagues for a few extra weeks just to have control over them for longer is absurd. Arbitration is ridiculous, just pay them what they are worth or let them go elsewhere...why is that even a thing in professional sports? From what I've read those seems to be the biggest hold ups.
I guess if you choose to comment without any thought behind it, that makes sense. Ignore the facts that hurt your argument and blow up all the wrongs. I agree with the thought process, but people tend to ignore the true issues.
Can you disagree without being imsulting? Please get that figured out before hitting post again
I was waiting to see if he would be able to provide a response without being a total prick and my initial thought was correct. The owners arent hurting for money. If they were, one of the items would be to try and implement a hard salary cap but that was never mentioned.
Most large contracts are given to guys before they hit 30. Teams have full control as to when they bring players up into the big leagues and service time as well as arbitration can minimize them taking advantage of larger contracts so I know that's something the MLBPA really wants to adjust. From what I have read it doesn't sound like there was much of a negotiation on these two items which was a big factor in not hitting the deadline and creating the lockout. Hopefully they can negotiate what both sides want and come to a solution.
Also, Arbitration eligibility hasn't changed in 30 years. Free agency requirements havent changed since 1976. It's time to update these
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