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Poor Kubiak...he probably knows this needs to happen but knows he will be in the dog house if he tries anything cool with the offense.
This despite having the NFL's most accurate deep ball passer and two of the NFL's best deep receivers.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
This despite having the NFL's most accurate deep ball passer and two of the NFL's best deep receivers.
And two good backs in Cook and Mattison for play action.
I really am questioning the play calling more than I can remember this year compared to others.
This is the kinda s hit that happens when you have a new OC every season...There is no way we should be talking about this with an 8 year HC - it should be grooved out as hell by now. The staff should know every situational strength/weakness on that team.
Long ball requires time and good pass blocking. Not attributes I attribute to any Vikings team since 98. But 31'st in attempts? Thats turtle ball.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
This despite having the NFL's most accurate deep ball passer and two of the NFL's best deep receivers.
And two good backs in Cook and Mattison for play action.
I really am questioning the play calling more than I can remember this year compared to others.
Yeah, me too. Play calling is every fan's biggest bitch. I don't typically have a gripe with running the ball. I actually like running the ball on 2nd down. And I'm fully aware that this team, especially with Dalvin, gets its chunk plays as much via run as it does via pass. But my goodness, I really thought Zim was going to open it up this year. Considering a dozen different stats like the following...
Most 25+ Yard Completions, last Five Seasons:
1. Kirk Cousins (180)
2. Tom Brady (179)
3. Russell Wilson (167)
4. Philip Rivers (164)
5. Matt Ryan (163)
6. Aaron Rodgers (155
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
Poor Kubiak...he probably knows this needs to happen but knows he will be in the dog house if he tries anything cool with the offense.
Why are you poor Kubiaking this as if Zimmer is holding him
back or something?
We ran this same offense last year and were near the top in
explosive pass plays and Zimmer was all for the explosive pass plays. Our offense was predicated on sucking the
defense up close with the running game and then throwing deep. If anything we’re watching Klint’s growing
pains, rather than Zimmer holding Klint back.
I do think we got overly conservative the Lions game, and that could be pegged on Zimmer either for dictating that or not correcting Klint if he's being too conservative.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
Poor Kubiak...he probably knows this needs to happen but knows he will be in the dog house if he tries anything cool with the offense.
Why are you poor Kubiaking this as if Zimmer is holding him
back or something?
We ran this same offense last year and were near the top in
explosive pass plays and Zimmer was all for the explosive pass plays. Our offense was predicated on sucking the
defense up close with the running game and then throwing deep. If anything we’re watching Klint’s growing
pains, rather than Zimmer holding Klint back.
I do think we got overly conservative the Lions game, and that could be pegged on Zimmer either for dictating that or not correcting Klint if he's being too conservative.
The mere fact that we are debating if it is Zimmer or Kubiak says it all. It starts and stops with Zimmer. He is the head coach, he (and Rick) hired Klint. So if Klink is not capable or has growing pains, it's on Zimmer. I say Zimmer because he is responsible for identifying the staff he wants.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
Poor Kubiak...he probably knows this needs to happen but knows he will be in the dog house if he tries anything cool with the offense.
Why are you poor Kubiaking this as if Zimmer is holding him
back or something?
We ran this same offense last year and were near the top in
explosive pass plays and Zimmer was all for the explosive pass plays. Our offense was predicated on sucking the
defense up close with the running game and then throwing deep. If anything we’re watching Klint’s growing
pains, rather than Zimmer holding Klint back.
I do think we got overly conservative the Lions game, and that could be pegged on Zimmer either for dictating that or not correcting Klint if he's being too conservative.
The lack of deep passing is on Klint, but the decision to take, what was it, 41 seconds and two timeouts into the half without so much as an attempt to move the ball into field goal range, Zimmer makes that call.
I know what he was thinking. You throw a pick there and Detroit gets back into the game. But he never seems to realize that a fumble by a RB is also a possibility. In fact, it's been RB fumbles and not interceptions that have killed us in close games.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
Poor Kubiak...he probably knows this needs to happen but knows he will be in the dog house if he tries anything cool with the offense.
Why are you poor Kubiaking this as if Zimmer is holding him
back or something?
We ran this same offense last year and were near the top in
explosive pass plays and Zimmer was all for the explosive pass plays. Our offense was predicated on sucking the
defense up close with the running game and then throwing deep. If anything we’re watching Klint’s growing
pains, rather than Zimmer holding Klint back.
I do think we got overly conservative the Lions game, and that could be pegged on Zimmer either for dictating that or not correcting Klint if he's being too conservative.
The lack of deep passing is on Klint, but the decision to take, what was it, 41 seconds and two timeouts into the half without so much as an attempt to move the ball into field goal range, Zimmer makes that call.
I know what he was thinking. You throw a pick there and Detroit gets back into the game. But he never seems to realize that a fumble by a RB is also a possibility. In fact, it's been RB fumbles and not interceptions that have killed us in close games.
The lack of deep passing routes run would be on Klint, the lack of deep passes would be on Kirk... maybe, we have been seeing a fair amount of 2 high safety coverage which makes those deep shots much harder to pull the trigger on for a QB that is pre-wired to be risk adverse. Every defense played has holes, its just a matter of identifying what they are really playing each snap and having the QB and WR on the same page to take advantage of those checks that come once that D is identified. I dont care how many passes it takes to get down the field, as long as it ends in 6 points, settling for field goals and punts against a bad defensive team... that is where shit gets murky.
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