04-22-2021, 05:38 PM
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Interesting article on police shootings, nice to see data not opinion...
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04-22-2021, 05:52 PM
Quote: @IDVikingfan said:You understand that the McIver Institute is a conservative think tank, right? PolitiFact | MacIver Institute I've seen some conservatives here post from PolitiFact, so I post that. I'm not even saying the Institute is wrong here, what I'm saying is they've certainly been wrong before. What most people today suffer from is something called 'selection bias'....then throw in the Dunning-Kruger Effect and that's what constitutes 80% of social media political zealots on both sides.
04-22-2021, 06:00 PM
A preponderance of evidence (cited on the left and right) confirms that systemic racism is at play in policing in the United States. However, insufficient data collection on police encounters makes it difficult to understand how, where, and to what degree it is influencing outcomes. Still, there are several areas of agreement where policy changes can be enacted while building a comprehensive, national dataset on policing to fully address the problem of systemic racism in policing.
https://blog.thefactual.com/police-syste...lake-media
04-22-2021, 06:00 PM
On the Left
Even withstanding problems in data collection (explored further below), there are scores of articles and studies that showcase how race and policing outcomes are intertwined. Balko, for one, has accumulated a list of over 140 recent scientific studies that demonstrate racial disparities in policing and criminal justice at large (as well as 10 dissenting studies). The evidence strongly makes the case that systemic racism is an issue within the police, even when accounting for confounding variables such as demographics, geography, and suspect behavior: A study from the National Bureau for Economic Research and highlighted by Nature found that: “Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities . . . white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods.” A study in Nature looked at 100 million traffic stops from across the country and found that while Black drivers are more likely to be pulled over, that difference decreases at night time and is correlated with how dark the sky is—meaning Black drivers were more likely to be pulled over when police can see that they are Black. The same study also noted that disparity persisted even though white drivers were more likely to have illicit drugs. (A 2006 study offers a dissenting viewpoint, finding little evidence in a similar analysis, but it looked at only 50,000 stops in a single location.) In over 1.8 million traffic stops in California, Black people were “far more likely to be stopped for ‘reasonable suspicion’ (as opposed to actually breaking a law) and were three times more likely than any other group to be searched, even though searches of white people were more likely to turn up contraband.” https://blog.thefactual.com/police-systemic-racism-floyd-blake-media
04-22-2021, 06:01 PM
Quote: @StickyBun said:
04-22-2021, 06:01 PM
On the Right
Most conservatives have seen enough evidence to agree that the problem of racial bias in policing is significant, but the sentiment is not yet uniformly accepted on the right. For skeptics, the argument against racial bias in policing is often structured around three points:
"Today, the percentage of black people living in poverty is about two-and-a-half times that of whites (22 percent and 9 percent, respectively, in 2018). This disparity in poverty rates means black people are also disproportionately represented in rates of violent crime. Poverty can lead to dangerous survival choices that include lucrative criminal activity. Furthermore, outstanding warrants can cause suspects to flee law enforcement when stopped for other trivial infractions. This disparity cannot explain every fatal police shooting, including some of the most notorious examples, such as the shootings of Tamir Rice and Philando Castile. Nevertheless, the tragedy remains: Higher aggregate crime rates lead to more encounters with police officers overall which increases the likelihood that a proportion of those encounters will get out of hand. Entrenched socioeconomic disparities should concern us all, and are as intolerable as cop murders. But the idea that the police murder out of racist animus is much less clear than we are often led to suppose." - Quillette However, some conservatives agree with the viewpoint that the consistent and widespread mistreatment of Blacks at the hands of police isn’t a problem of a few bad apples in the police force. "A study by [Harvard economist] Roland Fryer that is often cited to support claims that systemic racism is nonexistent. It doesn’t find significant racial differences in lethal use of force, but it does find significant racial differences in how police use nonlethal force, even with a substantial set of controls." - Washington Examiner Again, from John McWhorter: "Black men are more likely to be handcuffed, pushed against the wall, and treated with weapons drawn. Blacks are still somewhat more likely than whites to suffer physical and verbal abuse from the cops even when the behavior of the suspect is taken into account. Findings like these contribute to a general sense that cops treat black people as an enemy." - Quillette https://blog.thefactual.com/police-systemic-racism-floyd-blake-media
04-22-2021, 06:07 PM
I was hoping for a conversation, there are several data sources out there. Do we automatically dismiss data because it is from the other team? I'd love to see more data and analysis than all the emotion being spewed on the internet and on tv,
04-22-2021, 06:08 PM
sorry, gotta run doctor appmt. Looking forward to reading the above commentary.
04-22-2021, 06:47 PM
04-22-2021, 07:36 PM
The Maciverinstitute link cited the following Washington Post data base:
see https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5 The WP is hardly a right leaning paper... The original article referenced also cited the National Academy of Sciences: see https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877 Hardly a right wing think tank... An interesting conclustion from the NAS article: "We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers. Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race. This suggests that increasing diversity among officers by itself is unlikely to reduce racial disparity in police shootings." |
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