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Case closed.
#1
Remember Russia collusion?

Finally, the FISA court has weighed in. 
& this bomb-shell news ties up many loose-ends.  

The 21 words uttered by FISA court that change the Russia collusion case forever
Judge rules for first time FBI misled, rejecting years of excuse making and suggesting process reforms won't be enough.
Last Updated:
March 11, 2020 - 3:25pm

For much of the last three years, key law enforcement leaders have insisted they did nothing wrong in pursuing counterintelligence surveillance warrants targeting the Trump campaign starting during the 2016 election. And, they've added, if mistakes were made, they were unintentional process errors downstream from them and not an effort to deceive the judges.
But in a little-noted passage in a recent order, U.S. District Judge James A. Boasberg, the new chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, took direct aim at the excuses and blame-shifting of these senior Obama administration FBI and DOJ officials.
In just 21 words, Boasberg provided the first judicial declaration the FBI had misled the court, not just committed process errors. "There is thus little doubt that the government breached its duty of candor to the Court with respect to those applications," Boasberg wrote.
The no-fault mantra has been spread by everyone from President Trump's former deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, who insisted the DOJ took its responsibility to submit "admissible evidence, credible witnesses" very seriously, to the ex-FBI Director James Comey, who declared recently it was "nonsense" to suggest the bureau opened a probe without good cause.
Some of these defenses — including a focus on fixing process suggested by current FBI chief Christopher Wray — have persisted even after Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz issued a damning report in December finding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant applications targeting former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page were riddled with mistakes, including 17 examples of misconduct, misinformation or outright lies. 
Judge Boasberg drew headlines last week for an order suspending all FBI and DOJ lawyers involved in the Russia collusion case from appearing before his court until it is determined whether they engaged in misconduct.
But of greater long-term significance was his language pinning responsibility for FISA abuses squarely on senior officials, not just lower-level line agents and lawyers who prepared the warrant applications.
"The frequency and seriousness of these errors in a case that, given its sensitive nature, had an unusually high level of review at both DOJ and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have called into question the reliability of the information proffered in other FBI applications," Boasberg wrote.
In another words, he is worried the bad conduct exhibited by the FBI may extend to more cases affecting others' civil liberties.
Finally, Boasberg put Wray on notice — even while praising the current director — that process fixes alone won't suffice.
"The errors the OIG pointed out cannot be solved through procedures alone," he wrote. "DOJ and the FBI, including all personnel involved in the FISA process, must fully understand and embrace the heightened duties of probity and transparency that apply in ex parte proceedings."
Boasberg's ruling was far more than a temporary suspension of FBI personnel's participation in the FISA court. It is the first and only judicial finding in the Russia case that the FBI vastly misled the nation's intelligence court and that blame must be shouldered by federal law enforcement's top leaders, many of whom have spent much of the last three years trying to escape such accountability.
For those who have begged the FISA court for years to more aggressively rebuke the conduct in the Russia case, Boasberg's ruling was a welcome step in the right direction and a first effort to end the excuse-making. But those critics are holding out for more, including prosecutions or disciplinary action.
In the meantime, those who led the FBI and DOJ through that turbulent time — Comey and his deputy Andrew McCabe, as well as former acting Attorney General Sally Yates and Rosenstein — must come to grips with this new reality. A judge has formally concluded that his court was misled by the work product they oversaw and signed. 


AlSO, in the meantime... OIG Horowitz referred both McCabe & Comey for criminal referrals.  (Hyper-partisan! lol) AG Barr refused to prosecute.  
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#2
but they did this only to Trump they would never target and abuse these powers against a normal
citizen?  We can trust  the Obama guys cause you know they were all hope and change.

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#3
I’m still waiting on the arrests I was promised several months ago.

So is this article from a Fox News contributor quoting the judgement in reference to just the Carter Page FISA app?  Or were all applications misleading?  Kind of leaves out some crucial details.  

Saying the FBI used one misleading application doesn’t exonerate the rest of the criminal posse.  

Case closed for the sheep maybe ...



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#4
Carter Page was working for the CIA at the time.  Someone from the CIA alerted the FBI that Page was an asset.  The FBI lawyer changed the email to suggest he wasn’t to get the FISA warrant. 

I suspect Page was inserted into the campaign.  He was a USNA grad with an advanced phd degree.  While my son navigates career choices with USNA - it is clear he is intelligence.  

So now the question is simple. Why did they spy on Page when they knew he wasn’t colluding with Russia.  

We are getting close. 
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#5
We cant worry about this now, CNN is too busy with blaming Trump for the Corona virus....   BTW, Trump has handled this a million times better than Obama did with the Swine flu, but whatever, we dont care about facts, we just hate Trump.....   

http://https//www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/flashback-obama-admin-had-to-apologize-for-bidens-reckless-comments-on-swine-flu-video/
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#6
FACT argument
The fact is, Corona virus isn't flu.   H1N1 was exacerbated because that years flu vaccine missed, it's developed about a year ahead of time.  Since the Swine flu hit in January 2009,  the development of that years vaccine started in 2008.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavi...h-flu.html

https://grow.cals.wisc.edu/deprecated/he...lu-vaccine



Conflating facts  and Argument by assertion are the basis of misinformation campaigns. 

"Conflation happens when the identities
of two or more individuals, concepts, or places, sharing some
characteristics of one another, seem to be a single identity, and the
differences appear to become lost"

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion



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#7
Quote: @"Sir Viking Bob VWO" said:
We cant worry about this now, CNN is too busy with blaming Trump for the Corona virus....   BTW, Trump has handled this a million times better than Obama did with the Swine flu, but whatever, we dont care about facts, we just hate Trump.....   

http://https//www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/flashback-obama-admin-had-to-apologize-for-bidens-reckless-comments-on-swine-flu-video/
Let’s try a few basic facts:

Trump claimed a few weeks ago that it was contained, it wasn’t.  He downplayed the severity of the situation and played golf and attended another campaign rally while the rest of the world was hurrying to formulate a coordinated response and testing.  

Meanwhile Trump rejected free testing kits from the WHO.  

Trump then gave a rambling incoherent press conference riddled with inaccuracies and total falsehoods and misinformation.

Trump dismantled the pandemic response team Obama created after Ebola that would have expedited a better coordinated response, but Trump is hellbent on undoing everything Obama did.  But in true Trump fashion, he said he didn’t do it. 

Then Trump blames the CDC for a slow response after slashing their budget and of course blames Obama.  Because that is the kind of docuhebag he is, playing golf and refusing to take the crisis seriously and blame everyone else for his own failures.

Trump is incapable of accepting any responsibility for things he does and offered this gem about his dismantling if the pandemic response team:  “I don’t take any responsibility at all”.

But as usual the Trump fluffers think he is without fault.  What a joke. You have no idea that outside of your cult’s bubble he is a fucking joke and trainwreck.  England, Germany and Scandinavia are shocked at his ineptitude and you think he is doing great??

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-us-allies-disbelief-donald-trump-bad-covid-19-response-2020-3?amp


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#8
Stay on topic,  personalized or generalized attacks or insults will have that poster removed as well as any on the same in retaliation.
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#9
Quote: @"SFVikeFan" said:

I’m still waiting on the arrests I was promised several months ago.

Trust me, so are we. Fortunately, grown-up investigators (US Atty Durham) are in charge.  
We're used to Mueller partisan investigators that leaked BS to a willing MSM, so the daily progress on that news was more typical.  
I DO believe arrests are coming.  Again, there have already been 3 criminal referrals from the OIG Horowitz report.  
One is underway (Klinesmith) one was dismissed (McCabe) and one is still twisting in the wind (Comey).  
Plus, any new additional indictments not referred by Horowitz, & brought by Durham.   

So is this article from a Fox News contributor quoting the judgement in reference to just the Carter Page FISA app?  Or were all applications misleading?  Kind of leaves out some crucial details.  

Oh come on.  Solomon's reportage was straight "just the facts, ma'am".  Little to no "opinion".  
Can we help it if the MSM has now lost interest?  And you know me...if I can quote "news" from a left-center origin, I do.  
Read the Judge's first 8 pages of the actual report (it'll take you 5 mins).  



Saying the FBI used one misleading application doesn’t exonerate the rest of the criminal posse.  

In the Judge's order (above) he always mentions "applications" (read: plural).   
You're really tilting at windmills here, Quixote.  

Case closed for the sheep maybe ...

With this FISC news (my OP)...you could be obstinately obtuse, or continue to deny reality.  Or both.  

We've had 3 investigations into "Russian collusion".  Mueller, House and Senate.  All 3 found no collusion. 
We've had 3 investigations into "obstruction of justice".  Mueller, House and Senate.  All 3 found no obstruction.  

We've had 3 investigations into FBI/DOJ/FISA malfeasance "investigating the investigators".  
OIG Horowitz: 
DOJ/FBI itself: https://apnews.com/2d46c5046088ed17e57758344c6ce1e1
& finally now, 
FISC: (my OP)

^^ if the above reports unanimous conclusions make me a "sheep"....."baaa".  

Wanna know perhaps the most damning (as to the investigators)  item not mentioned before?
The recent previous outgoing FISC Judge (Collyer) and the present FISC Judge (Boasberg).... don't want anything to do with any Obama DOJ/FBI holdover lawyers: 
They're persona-non-grata...."get your ass outta my (Judge's) presence" 


NY Times: (
link

WASHINGTON — A secretive federal court on Wednesday effectively barred F.B.I. officials involved in the wiretapping of a former Trump campaign adviser from appearing before it in other cases at least temporarily, the latest fallout from an internal inquiry into the bureau’s surveillance of  the aide

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#10
Quote: @"BigAl99" said:
FACT argument
The fact is, Corona virus isn't flu.   H1N1 was exacerbated because that years flu vaccine missed, it's developed about a year ahead of time.  Since the Swine flu hit in January 2009,  the development of that years vaccine started in 2008.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavi...h-flu.html

https://grow.cals.wisc.edu/deprecated/he...lu-vaccine



Conflating facts  and Argument by assertion are the basis of misinformation campaigns. 

"Conflation happens when the identities
of two or more individuals, concepts, or places, sharing some
characteristics of one another, seem to be a single identity, and the
differences appear to become lost"

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion



Yes...the Wuhan Chi-com virus isn't the influenza virus.  Point taken.  
However, that was not the thrust of V-Bob's post.  

V-Bob's post was not concerning  the "nature of the virus", but the POTUS's response to a novel viral threat (which both the Wuhan Chi-com virus and H1N1 virus, are) 

Therefore, your conflation nit-pick is a non-sequitur. 

However, progress is being made as this analysis can no longer be blamed on Dunning-Kruger.  Wink

BTW, I think it was wrong for Trump to have blamed "inadequate Wuhan Chi-com virus" testing, on Obama.  
The best article I found for "insufficient testing" was this:  which really doesn't blame anyone, politically.  

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/10/shor...s-testing/

The push to increase testing in the U.S. for the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19 has hit a new stumbling block: shortages of key chemicals needed to start up and run the tests.
In particular, one key product, made by the diagnostics testing giant Qiagen, is in dwindling supply. The chemical is used to isolate the virus’ genetic material, or RNA, so that it can be tested.
Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told Politico, which first reported the story, that he is worried about the supplies labs have of the chemicals, known as reagents.T
he push to increase testing in the U.S. for the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19 has hit a new stumbling block: shortages of key chemicals needed to start up and run the tests.
A Qiagen spokesperson acknowledged that “extraordinary” demand was limiting the company’s ability to supply some products, and said workers at its Hilden, Germany, and Barcelona, Spain, manufacturing sites were moving to work three shifts, seven days a week in order to ramp up production. The company is also bringing on new staff and making better use of a site in Germantown, Md., to try and make the test kits.

Still, that and other shortages related to test kits represent another hurdle in the effort to roll out diagnostics to detect whether patients are infected with the new coronavirus, a key step in preventing or slowing its spread. Other countries, such as China and South Korea, have tested many thousands of patients. But the U.S. has lagged even as the virus has started to spread — there have been 647 cases of Covid-19 in the U.S. and 25 deaths so far — having conducted only 5,000 tests to date. The American Enterprise Institute estimates that the country may now have the capacity to run 15,000 tests a day, but that assumes that reagents are available.
“We are deeply concerned that as the number of tests increases dramatically over the coming weeks, clinical labs will be unable to deploy them without these critical components,” the American Society of Microbiology said on its website. “Increased demand for testing has the potential to exhaust supplies needed to perform the testing itself.”
The kits in short supply appear to include varieties of the Qiagen QIAamp Viral Mini Kit and the Qiagen EZ1 Virus Mini-Kit and the Roche MagnaPure nucleic acid kit.
Michael Mina, a pathologist and assistant professor in the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said that the lack of the Qiagen kit and a similar one made by Roche represent “a very big problem.”


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