My only hope of Speilman filling the QB slot successfully requires some blind luck...I think we've seen the mountain for this staff...
I have a feeling this thread is going to be bumped a few more times. After a win by the apologists. After a loss by the alarmists.
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I have a feeling this thread is going to be bumped a few more times. After a win by the apologists. After a loss by the alarmists.
Not sure about that, but knowing this place, you are probably right.
Regardless: its playoffs or bust for Zimmer and Co. The Cousins experiment would be an obvious, outright failure. Would the Wilfs keep Zimmer/Spielman around for another year? Very well could. But that would be the wrong thing to do. But we'll see. I'm not giving up on the season but the Vikings need to beat a good team like Philly at home. Has to. A loss and it completely solidifies their mediocrity and underperformance that will not change this year.
Zimmer has had more than his share of snake-bit.
But how many playoff wins in how many years? That's the litmus test query for me.
I am done with Mike if they don't make the playoffs and some big noise this post-season.
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Zimmer has had more than his share of snake-bit.
But how many playoff wins in how many years? That's the litmus test query for me.
I am done with Mike if they don't make the playoffs and some big noise this post-season.
The sad thing about this is we might as well get prepared for the disappointment that more than likely WILL happen. For some unforeseen reason we do make it to the post season, then we might be able to sit back and enjoy it. Hopefully for more than one game.
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We need to run a bunch of crossing routes against the Eagles, that way Sendejo can take out 2 or 3 more defenders for us...!  B)
i wonder how many of the anti dejo folks even noticed when Harry damn near put Rhodes in concussion protocol? dejo plays hard and fast, kind of what you ask a safety to do, he was a little over the top at times, but a guy like him from a no where college program has to play that way to stay in the league.
I really wish it were different. I like Zimmer, I think he desperately wants to win and is truly giving it his best. I feel the same about Cousins, I think he's a very good dude that would love nothing more than win it for the franchise legitimately.
But the results are what matters. And the fanbase just doesn't have the patience for it anymore. You have to demand winning at some point.
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@ greediron said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ greediron said:
@ Jor-El said:
Great, they dominated a poor team, Zimmer's supporters feel totally justified. I guess that shows how low the bar has been set.
Now impress me and dominate the Eagles. In fact, truly impress me with a dominant SEASON. That has been the expectation since they were 11-5 and ascending in 2015. But since then it has been one strong season that seemed more due to Pat Shurmur and lucky breaks, surrounded by mediocrity.
Zimmer fans act like he is in his second year after inheriting Mike Tice's depleted roster. He has had control for 5 seasons and for the past 4, every NFL pundit says his roster is of Super Bowl contending talent level. Pretty sad that beating a team that was 5-11 last year is seen as a vindication.
Just about as sad as calling for his head after a tough loss in chicago.
I just bumped this thread so the unhappy lot would have a reason to post this week.
Do you really think it's the one loss? Maybe it was the breaking point was reached. The body of work is compelling when it comes down to wins and losses...same thing for Cousins, it wasn't just that horrid throw vs gb...
No it isn't one loss, or one win or one throw. (Cousins is a separate conversation, I am not as optimistic on him)
But what is Zimmers record? Where do his defenses rank? He has won the north twice, we are competitive every year. Yes, we haven't gotten over the NFCCG hump yet, but who has since Grant? Green got 9 years and I think Zimmer is much better than Green. Win percentage is pretty much the same, playoff win percentage is the same. I like the character of the team much more with Zimmer. I think he has coached through much more adversity.
The team loses damned near every Nationally Televised game against a quality opponent on the Road. And is far from a lock against quality opponents at home. He's gotten every damned thing he's asked for on Defense and has turned yet another QB into a Game Manager in an era where even the Bears are finding out the hard way that you need more than that.
Forgive some of us for finally deciding enough is enough. Can't stop long drives to start games against teams like ever. Can't seem to enable an OC to call a modern pass to run ratio against good teams like ever. Can't mange challenged or the game clock like ever.
I've defended this FO and Coaching Staff for ever. But fool me a dozen times, on the road, on nationally televised games and even my purple shades start to look red.
I think some of that is urban legend in the minds of the fans.
Especially the "turn a QB into a game manager". I don't think Kirk's issues are on Zimmer. Kirk's issues go back long before being on the Vikings. And isn't it funny how every criticizes his "old school offense" when more teams are starting to turn to it. All this consternation is because we lost to a team that plays defense and controls the clock.
As to the hyperbole in your second paragraph, I will just leave it at that, hyperbole. I think Zimmer is a good coach, not perfect, but very good. I think jumping on the Cleveland coaching carousel is a bad idea. Patience and continuity are much more important than fan drama.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ greediron said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ greediron said:
@ Jor-El said:
Great, they dominated a poor team, Zimmer's supporters feel totally justified. I guess that shows how low the bar has been set.
Now impress me and dominate the Eagles. In fact, truly impress me with a dominant SEASON. That has been the expectation since they were 11-5 and ascending in 2015. But since then it has been one strong season that seemed more due to Pat Shurmur and lucky breaks, surrounded by mediocrity.
Zimmer fans act like he is in his second year after inheriting Mike Tice's depleted roster. He has had control for 5 seasons and for the past 4, every NFL pundit says his roster is of Super Bowl contending talent level. Pretty sad that beating a team that was 5-11 last year is seen as a vindication.
Just about as sad as calling for his head after a tough loss in chicago.
I just bumped this thread so the unhappy lot would have a reason to post this week.
Do you really think it's the one loss? Maybe it was the breaking point was reached. The body of work is compelling when it comes down to wins and losses...same thing for Cousins, it wasn't just that horrid throw vs gb...
No it isn't one loss, or one win or one throw. (Cousins is a separate conversation, I am not as optimistic on him)
But what is Zimmers record? Where do his defenses rank? He has won the north twice, we are competitive every year. Yes, we haven't gotten over the NFCCG hump yet, but who has since Grant? Green got 9 years and I think Zimmer is much better than Green. Win percentage is pretty much the same, playoff win percentage is the same. I like the character of the team much more with Zimmer. I think he has coached through much more adversity.
The team loses damned near every Nationally Televised game against a quality opponent on the Road. And is far from a lock against quality opponents at home. He's gotten every damned thing he's asked for on Defense and has turned yet another QB into a Game Manager in an era where even the Bears are finding out the hard way that you need more than that.
Forgive some of us for finally deciding enough is enough. Can't stop long drives to start games against teams like ever. Can't seem to enable an OC to call a modern pass to run ratio against good teams like ever. Can't mange challenged or the game clock like ever.
I've defended this FO and Coaching Staff for ever. But fool me a dozen times, on the road, on nationally televised games and even my purple shades start to look red. I think jumping on the Cleveland coaching carousel is a bad idea. Patience and continuity are much more important than fan drama.
?? This is Zimmer's 6th season as Viking's coach, not his third. The Browns have had 5 coaches since 2013. So lets not pretend its even close to the same thing if the Viking's fire Zimmer after this season. At some point, 'patience and continuity' by fans is just enablement and rationalizing.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ greediron said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ greediron said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ greediron said:
@ Jor-El said:
Great, they dominated a poor team, Zimmer's supporters feel totally justified. I guess that shows how low the bar has been set.
Now impress me and dominate the Eagles. In fact, truly impress me with a dominant SEASON. That has been the expectation since they were 11-5 and ascending in 2015. But since then it has been one strong season that seemed more due to Pat Shurmur and lucky breaks, surrounded by mediocrity.
Zimmer fans act like he is in his second year after inheriting Mike Tice's depleted roster. He has had control for 5 seasons and for the past 4, every NFL pundit says his roster is of Super Bowl contending talent level. Pretty sad that beating a team that was 5-11 last year is seen as a vindication.
Just about as sad as calling for his head after a tough loss in chicago.
I just bumped this thread so the unhappy lot would have a reason to post this week.
Do you really think it's the one loss? Maybe it was the breaking point was reached. The body of work is compelling when it comes down to wins and losses...same thing for Cousins, it wasn't just that horrid throw vs gb...
No it isn't one loss, or one win or one throw. (Cousins is a separate conversation, I am not as optimistic on him)
But what is Zimmers record? Where do his defenses rank? He has won the north twice, we are competitive every year. Yes, we haven't gotten over the NFCCG hump yet, but who has since Grant? Green got 9 years and I think Zimmer is much better than Green. Win percentage is pretty much the same, playoff win percentage is the same. I like the character of the team much more with Zimmer. I think he has coached through much more adversity.
The team loses damned near every Nationally Televised game against a quality opponent on the Road. And is far from a lock against quality opponents at home. He's gotten every damned thing he's asked for on Defense and has turned yet another QB into a Game Manager in an era where even the Bears are finding out the hard way that you need more than that.
Forgive some of us for finally deciding enough is enough. Can't stop long drives to start games against teams like ever. Can't seem to enable an OC to call a modern pass to run ratio against good teams like ever. Can't mange challenged or the game clock like ever.
I've defended this FO and Coaching Staff for ever. But fool me a dozen times, on the road, on nationally televised games and even my purple shades start to look red. I think jumping on the Cleveland coaching carousel is a bad idea. Patience and continuity are much more important than fan drama.
?? This is Zimmer's 6th season as Viking's coach, not his third. The Browns have had 5 coaches since 2013. So lets not pretend its even close to the same thing if the Viking's fire Zimmer after this season. At some point, 'patience and continuity' by fans is just enablement and rationalizing.
I understand it is Zimmer's 6th year. I think i mentioned that above. But as I said, jumping on the revolving coach carousel is a bad idea. Our offense has struggled because of lack of continuity, so lets get better by putting the whole team in spin mode. That is what I find odd.
Now everyone has an opinion, and this is just mine. So spare me the condescension. I find the criticisms of zimmer often based in hyperbole and exaggeration.
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