as far as a QB of the future... do some now understand why we wanted to see more opportunity for Sloter... (i am not saying he was going to succeed) but it was said over a year ago by myself and others that they needed to be putting more effort into finding out what they had behnd Cousins for when his contract expired or other reasons. IMO they should never stop looking for their next starting anything, every position should be up for competition at any time. that will be the best way to stay ahead of the cap and avoid having to have a total rebuild instead of just a reload.
now maybe they just determined that Sloter does not have an NFL future... but why did they not know that before the offseason and put more emphasis on QB in the last draft? this retarded notion the Mannion was a viable #2 is just a cover for them not addressing the postion with a player that actually might have a future with the team.
I dont think we have seen the last of KC and IMO last sunday was an exception and not the rule, but it pisses me off that his status as a longterm starter was a foregone conclusion and anybody that suggested that the team wasnt making the best moves at that position over the last year + was being stupid.
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I dont think we have seen the last of KC and IMO last sunday was an exception and not the rule, but it pisses me off that his status as a longterm starter was a foregone conclusion and anybody that suggested that the team wasnt making the best moves at that position over the last year + was being stupid.
I don't think this was ever the case: the 3 year contract was a prove-it, we're in a window contract. It was never a forgone conclusion that Cousins was getting a second contract in Minnesota. In fact, this worked for both parties quite well (the contract), regardless. Kirk got paid no matter what and the Vikings can move on if need be.
I view QB's like houses....Dont sell cause you're running away from something, but rather because you're running to something
This season will determine how much priority the Vikings place on drafting a QB.
The only choice we have today is Mannion, so we'd all better keep fingers and toes crossed KC stays healthy and upright. I'm not sure this improved OL is providing even league avg pass pro yet...
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I dont think we have seen the last of KC and IMO last sunday was an exception and not the rule, but it pisses me off that his status as a longterm starter was a foregone conclusion and anybody that suggested that the team wasnt making the best moves at that position over the last year + was being stupid.
I don't think this was ever the case: the 3 year contract was a prove-it, we're in a window contract. It was never a forgone conclusion that Cousins was getting a second contract in Minnesota. In fact, this worked for both parties quite well (the contract), regardless. Kirk got paid no matter what and the Vikings can move on if need be.
I know myself and I think Barr and a few others were preaching a mid round QB in the draft or even higher if the team wasnt sold on Sloter as the #2, the arguement that I got back was that Kirk had 2 years left and that he was just coming off a 4K season and all those TD and was only going to get better. even a month ago when we were arguing for a bigger audition for Sloter it was once again thrown back that KC was a franchise QB... well one bad game and where are those people now....most likely the same saying that RS and Zim need to be fired for signing him in the first place.
I just want to see more emphasis put on all positions and open competition a on a more consistent basis. I still think that KC can settle down, find a rhythm, and be a decent QB for this team, but I dont want to see the future of the team banked on it without a fall back effort in place. keep the cupboards stocked.
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@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Barring injury, no more than 30 starts left...he can be an albatross on someone else's salary cap...a QB in the first and Day 3...
By the time that comes around his salary will be seen as affordable. He's still up there in guaranteed money (2nd), but in terms of average per year, he's 7th, and in total dollars, he's already down to 14th. When it comes time to make a decision on him, his rank will be even lower.
And with a team in its window, do you really want to start over? The NFL does seem to be getting better at drafting QBs the last few years, but let's not forget that 1st rounders taken between 2012 and 2015 should be entering their primes right now. They are Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, EJ Manuel, Andrew Luck, RGIII, Ryan Tannehill and Brandon Weeden.
Its window? Last year they won 8 games. This year remains to be seen, but last Sunday's shit show by Cousins has left a bitter taste that has yet to wash out. If the Vikings underperform this season and miss the playoffs, you can be guaranteed they are going in a different direction after his contract is up. Its all up to Kirk. Would love to see him rebound spectacularly....and by that, I mean in a meaningful way when the game is on the line. Not playing the Raiders at home.
Of course it's up to Kirk, but there's a lot of football left to be played.
And of course we're in our window. It has nothing to do with wins and losses; it's about roster talent and salary cap. You're either in your window or you're rebuilding, and my God, a team with enormous contracts paid out to Diggs, Thielen, Hunter, Griffen, Joseph, Kendricks, Barr, Rhodes, Harry, Waynes and Rudy ain't rebuilding. You want to saddle all that talent with a rookie QB? And watch him develop (or not) over a couple of years as that talent starts to age out? Or maybe see what happens if you draft a franchise tackle and keep improving the offensive line?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Barring injury, no more than 30 starts left...he can be an albatross on someone else's salary cap...a QB in the first and Day 3...
By the time that comes around his salary will be seen as affordable. He's still up there in guaranteed money (2nd), but in terms of average per year, he's 7th, and in total dollars, he's already down to 14th. When it comes time to make a decision on him, his rank will be even lower.
And with a team in its window, do you really want to start over? The NFL does seem to be getting better at drafting QBs the last few years, but let's not forget that 1st rounders taken between 2012 and 2015 should be entering their primes right now. They are Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, EJ Manuel, Andrew Luck, RGIII, Ryan Tannehill and Brandon Weeden.
Its window? Last year they won 8 games. This year remains to be seen, but last Sunday's shit show by Cousins has left a bitter taste that has yet to wash out. If the Vikings underperform this season and miss the playoffs, you can be guaranteed they are going in a different direction after his contract is up. Its all up to Kirk. Would love to see him rebound spectacularly....and by that, I mean in a meaningful way when the game is on the line. Not playing the Raiders at home.
Of course it's up to Kirk, but there's a lot of football left to be played.
And of course we're in our window. It has nothing to do with wins and losses; it's about roster talent and salary cap. You're either in your window or you're rebuilding, and my God, a team with enormous contracts paid out to Diggs, Thielen, Hunter, Griffen, Joseph, Kendricks, Barr, Rhodes, Harry, Waynes and Rudy ain't rebuilding. You want to saddle all that talent with a rookie QB? And watch him develop (or not) over a couple of years as that talent starts to age out? Or maybe see what happens if you draft a franchise tackle and keep improving the offensive line?
No, I know what you mean about the window, my point (poorly explained by me) is that you wouldn't know if from our record last year. Cousins has this year and next. I mean, you can't expect to be given more than that. This 'well eventually all this talent will kick in and Cousins will flourish' notion will definitely not extend beyond his 3 year contract unless the team wins games and gets to the playoffs. Because if they don't, that notion was flawed.
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@ jargomcfargo said:
Vikings fans have little to no chance with this guy. He throws a pass 3 feet over a leaping,6 foot 6", Kyle Rudolph, wide open, in the end zone, then instantly raises his arm, because he thinks it isn't his fault!
Really! Go back and look at that play. This dork thinks it isn't his fault.
Spielman and Zimmer brought this guy in. They need to go. It's just that simple.
I think this is a good team, and I think they will do well. But they won't be in the superbowl. They may not make the playoffs.
So Cousins needs to go, and everyone who brought him in should go with him.
IIRC his reaction was he was expecting Kyle to run the route a little deeper before curling, he said its a matter of not being on the same page, I dont think he was necessarily blaming KR, just frustration over the misfire.
as far as firing RS and Zimmer over bringing in KC... who would you have brought in? its not like decent QBs are just hanging around. TB hasnt looked good at all in any opportunity since his injury and the story on Case is well hashed out. they took a shot and its looking like a miss thus far. there are plenty of other reasons to want to see RS or Zim fired but taking a chance on improving the most important position on the field is hardly one of them IMO. its not like KC has been a total bust.
I'm more disappointed that management painted themselves into a corner with the 3 year guaranteed contract. I know they thought he was the best they could get, but it hasn't panned out. Perhaps it required a fully guaranteed contract to get him here. They should structured it so they could move him if he doesn't work out.
They could still move him if they tank this year, but it would be costly.
Did they really think they could win with an average QB? It's a pretty rare .
Soon we will see the defense start to lose some players because of what they paid Kirk, and the window will start to close.
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
Vikings fans have little to no chance with this guy. He throws a pass 3 feet over a leaping,6 foot 6", Kyle Rudolph, wide open, in the end zone, then instantly raises his arm, because he thinks it isn't his fault!
Really! Go back and look at that play. This dork thinks it isn't his fault.
Spielman and Zimmer brought this guy in. They need to go. It's just that simple.
I think this is a good team, and I think they will do well. But they won't be in the superbowl. They may not make the playoffs.
So Cousins needs to go, and everyone who brought him in should go with him.
IIRC his reaction was he was expecting Kyle to run the route a little deeper before curling, he said its a matter of not being on the same page, I dont think he was necessarily blaming KR, just frustration over the misfire.
as far as firing RS and Zimmer over bringing in KC... who would you have brought in? its not like decent QBs are just hanging around. TB hasnt looked good at all in any opportunity since his injury and the story on Case is well hashed out. they took a shot and its looking like a miss thus far. there are plenty of other reasons to want to see RS or Zim fired but taking a chance on improving the most important position on the field is hardly one of them IMO. its not like KC has been a total bust.
I'm more disappointed that management painted themselves into a corner with the 3 year guaranteed contract. I know they thought he was the best they could get, but it hasn't panned out. Perhaps it required a fully guaranteed contract to get him here. They should structured it so they could move him if he doesn't work out.
They could still move him if they tank this year, but it would be costly.
Did they really think they could win with an average QB? It's a pretty rare .
Soon we will see the defense start to lose some players because of what they paid Kirk, and the window will start to close.
it has 1 year left, and that contract (I didnt like it either at the time) but it was the best thing going. we didnt have a better option unless we wanted to go on the cheap with Case or Teddy and we still wouldnt have a QB.... I dont think that KC is as bad as everybody is making him out to be, he is still a top half QB and at times top 10 talent. I think he is good enough to lead the offense in the playoffs, but he isnt the guy to carry the offense, but outside of Mahomes, Brees, Rogers, and Brady... who is?
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
Vikings fans have little to no chance with this guy. He throws a pass 3 feet over a leaping,6 foot 6", Kyle Rudolph, wide open, in the end zone, then instantly raises his arm, because he thinks it isn't his fault!
Really! Go back and look at that play. This dork thinks it isn't his fault.
Spielman and Zimmer brought this guy in. They need to go. It's just that simple.
I think this is a good team, and I think they will do well. But they won't be in the superbowl. They may not make the playoffs.
So Cousins needs to go, and everyone who brought him in should go with him.
IIRC his reaction was he was expecting Kyle to run the route a little deeper before curling, he said its a matter of not being on the same page, I dont think he was necessarily blaming KR, just frustration over the misfire.
as far as firing RS and Zimmer over bringing in KC... who would you have brought in? its not like decent QBs are just hanging around. TB hasnt looked good at all in any opportunity since his injury and the story on Case is well hashed out. they took a shot and its looking like a miss thus far. there are plenty of other reasons to want to see RS or Zim fired but taking a chance on improving the most important position on the field is hardly one of them IMO. its not like KC has been a total bust.
I'm more disappointed that management painted themselves into a corner with the 3 year guaranteed contract. I know they thought he was the best they could get, but it hasn't panned out. Perhaps it required a fully guaranteed contract to get him here. They should structured it so they could move him if he doesn't work out.
They could still move him if they tank this year, but it would be costly.
Did they really think they could win with an average QB? It's a pretty rare .
Soon we will see the defense start to lose some players because of what they paid Kirk, and the window will start to close.
a guarantee on 3 years for a starting QB is no big deal. As a proven vet (what he is proven is up for debate) we knew what we were getting. So 3 years is the minimum he would be here anyway. 5 years guaranteed would be crazy, but a normal 5 year deal is probably going to basically be a 3 year guaranteed deal.
My goodness...
We're 1/1 and coming off a disappointing game and season, I get it.
But there are also 10 really good reasons for legitimate hope on this team; you can list the players #'s pretty easily. And they have IMO made some major improvements with offensive coaches too.
I wish I had a gif of Ticey and his famous "everyone calm down" speech after they drafted KW...
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