Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
No matter how you slice it.
If Mannion or Sloter have to play in a real game then we are in more trouble than a little bit!
I wouldn't be so sure just yet... Kirk needs to step up his game, thats all I will say.
Cousins wasn't the issue: 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 4300 yds and completed over 70% of his passes.
I saw issues in a few games last year, NO, NE, Buffalo, both Bears games. He needs to step up and win a few of these types of games when maybe everything is not perfect to convince me.
you have your reason why its not on KC for much of the offensive failures from last season... you say he needed to step up, well there was no stepping up behind that line last year. Even the best QBs in the game look like shit when their OL and play calling is as horrendous as ours was for much of last season.
I know the line sucked and is still a question mark. Yet there were still missed opportunities last year. 2019 is big for this itieration of the Vikings. This whole SLoter situation pisses me off. Not pounding the table for him to start but a potential gamer is so hard to come by and in all my years of Viking watching have not seen a backup look like him with the arm and athletic ability. Mannion is so incredibly just average at best and can be picked up off the scrap heap at anytime.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
No matter how you slice it.
If Mannion or Sloter have to play in a real game then we are in more trouble than a little bit!
I wouldn't be so sure just yet... Kirk needs to step up his game, thats all I will say.
Cousins wasn't the issue: 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 4300 yds and completed over 70% of his passes.
I saw issues in a few games last year, NO, NE, Buffalo, both Bears games. He needs to step up and win a few of these types of games when maybe everything is not perfect to convince me.
Don't forget the Nationally televised Seattle night game. It was embarrassing to watch KC fumble and stumble into that loss.
I want to like KC, but he's just not getting it done when he faces adversity. When the going gets tough against winning teams, he's usually on the losing end.
I hope this year is different, but I think at this point of his career, this is just who he is.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
No matter how you slice it.
If Mannion or Sloter have to play in a real game then we are in more trouble than a little bit!
I wouldn't be so sure just yet... Kirk needs to step up his game, thats all I will say.
Cousins wasn't the issue: 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 4300 yds and completed over 70% of his passes.
I saw issues in a few games last year, NO, NE, Buffalo, both Bears games. He needs to step up and win a few of these types of games when maybe everything is not perfect to convince me.
you have your reason why its not on KC for much of the offensive failures from last season... you say he needed to step up, well there was no stepping up behind that line last year. Even the best QBs in the game look like shit when their OL and play calling is as horrendous as ours was for much of last season.
I know the line sucked and is still a question mark. Yet there were still missed opportunities last year. 2019 is big for this itieration of the Vikings. This whole SLoter situation pisses me off. Not pounding the table for him to start but a potential gamer is so hard to come by and in all my years of Viking watching have not seen a backup look like him with the arm and athletic ability. Mannion is so incredibly just average at best and can be picked up off the scrap heap at anytime.
I agree on Sloter, but Mannion would be snapped up pretty quickly if we were to cut him loose IMO. His knowledge alone of both the Rams and Vikings offenses would make him valuable to any potential NFC playoff contender IMO, or another NFCN team that faces us twice a year.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ kmillard said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
No matter how you slice it.
If Mannion or Sloter have to play in a real game then we are in more trouble than a little bit!
I wouldn't be so sure just yet... Kirk needs to step up his game, thats all I will say.
Cousins wasn't the issue: 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 4300 yds and completed over 70% of his passes.
I saw issues in a few games last year, NO, NE, Buffalo, both Bears games. He needs to step up and win a few of these types of games when maybe everything is not perfect to convince me.
Don't forget the Nationally televised Seattle night game. It was embarrassing to watch KC fumble and stumble into that loss.
I want to like KC, but he's just not getting it done when he faces adversity. When the going gets tough against winning teams, he's usually on the losing end.
I hope this year is different, but I think at this point of his career, this is just who he is.
Agreed, Cousins is inconsistent. Good stats, not a winner. He was check down charlie the second half of the season. It is right to blame the offensive line and hope that is the only problem. We shall see.
Preseason is mostly meaningless, but the third game is often an indicator of good the first string can be. If so, it is an indicator of ongoing inconsistency and the offense looks a bit like last year.
As for Sloter, I think the Vikings would like to keep him and continue his development, but we will find out Saturday. As a fan I would like to see him get some snaps against better competition, but so be it!
Just to be clear, I don't give two shits about Mannion any more than I did Simien.
I am simply pointing out that more teams carry journeymen QBs as backups than developmental guys. It's a fact.
So either those teams now (and historically) are run by morons OR there's more to the equation than how good you look in preseason games.
I'm using logic here. As a fan it's in my best interests for Sloter to progress to the #2 spot or at the very least get looks against the 2nd Stringers.
But that pesky logic thing keeps coming up where I realize that I am only seeing a single data point (preseason performance) in a much larger equation. An equation where I clearly don't know all the variables. And I refuse to make judgements when I realize that I'm not privy to the whole picture.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Just to be clear, I don't give two shits about Mannion any more than I did Simien.
I am simply pointing out that more teams carry journeymen QBs as backups than developmental guys. It's a fact.
So either those teams now (and historically) are run by morons OR there's more to the equation than how good you look in preseason games.
I'm using logic here. As a fan it's in my best interests for Sloter to progress to the #2 spot or at the very least get looks against the 2nd Stringers.
But that pesky logic thing keeps coming up where I realize that I am only seeing a single data point (preseason performance) in a much larger equation. An equation where I clearly don't know all the variables. And I refuse to make judgements when I realize that I'm not privy to the whole picture.
Quit making sense...
The challenge, for the Vikings, is squaring Sloter’s success as a freewheeling quarterback during preseason games with what they’ve seen on the practice field. He finished the preseason practice slate with another two-interception day Tuesday, and has been spotty enough that coach Mike Zimmer sought to quell the Sloter hype with a fairly specific dissection of his practice performance earlier this month.
“He’s got to get a lot better in a lot of the other parts of being a quarterback: making the right checks, getting people in the right formation, making sure the motion is there, not missing the time clock when it’s eight yards in front of you,” Zimmer said on Aug. 20, two days after Sloter went 11-for-13 for 116 yards and a TD in the Vikings’ second preseason game. “There’s a lot of things that he has to get better at if he wants to be the backup quarterback.”
The Vikings have kept at least three quarterbacks under team control every year since Rick Spielman became the general manager in 2012, so Sloter’s first challenge is to beat out Browning, who got $140,000 guaranteed to sign with the Vikings this spring. New Vikings QB coach Klint Kubiak was an offensive assistant in Denver when the team waived Sloter before the 2017 season, and Stefanski spent 2018 as Sloter’s QB coach. The Vikings knew plenty about Sloter when they made the investment in Browning, and they’ll first have to determine whether they want to keep one or both QBs in their system.
It’s seemed all preseason as if Mannion — the only Vikings quarterback behind Kirk Cousins who’s played in a regular-season game — would be Cousins’ primary backup. Zimmer wouldn’t divulge who will start for the Vikings on Thursday night, but No. 2 quarterback Trevor Siemian started last year’s fourth preseason game, and it’d seem like a good bet Mannion will play first in Buffalo.
Even if that happens, though, Sloter should get enough playing time to try and deliver one more rousing preseason performance. The question will be whether the shiniest part of his résumé is the one the Vikings value most.
“Every time he’s come in the game, he does well,” Zimmer said. “He makes plays, gets the team going. I think he’s done a good job all preseason.”
http://www.startribune.com/another-stron...558617232/
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ kmillard said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
No matter how you slice it.
If Mannion or Sloter have to play in a real game then we are in more trouble than a little bit!
I wouldn't be so sure just yet... Kirk needs to step up his game, thats all I will say.
Cousins wasn't the issue: 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 4300 yds and completed over 70% of his passes.
I saw issues in a few games last year, NO, NE, Buffalo, both Bears games. He needs to step up and win a few of these types of games when maybe everything is not perfect to convince me.
Don't forget the Nationally televised Seattle night game. It was embarrassing to watch KC fumble and stumble into that loss.
I want to like KC, but he's just not getting it done when he faces adversity. When the going gets tough against winning teams, he's usually on the losing end.
I hope this year is different, but I think at this point of his career, this is just who he is.
Agreed, Cousins is inconsistent. Good stats, not a winner. He was check down charlie the second half of the season. It is right to blame the offensive line and hope that is the only problem. We shall see.
Preseason is mostly meaningless, but the third game is often an indicator of good the first string can be. If so, it is an indicator of ongoing inconsistency and the offense looks a bit like last year.
As for Sloter, I think the Vikings would like to keep him and continue his development, but we will find out Saturday. As a fan I would like to see him get some snaps against better competition, but so be it!
but being on the losing end against good teams isnt always on him. the D did him no favors in LA last year and KC kept the team in that game as well as leading drives to give Carlson opportunities to miss field goals in green bay.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ kmillard said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
No matter how you slice it.
If Mannion or Sloter have to play in a real game then we are in more trouble than a little bit!
I wouldn't be so sure just yet... Kirk needs to step up his game, thats all I will say.
Cousins wasn't the issue: 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 4300 yds and completed over 70% of his passes.
I saw issues in a few games last year, NO, NE, Buffalo, both Bears games. He needs to step up and win a few of these types of games when maybe everything is not perfect to convince me.
Don't forget the Nationally televised Seattle night game. It was embarrassing to watch KC fumble and stumble into that loss.
I want to like KC, but he's just not getting it done when he faces adversity. When the going gets tough against winning teams, he's usually on the losing end.
I hope this year is different, but I think at this point of his career, this is just who he is.
Agreed, Cousins is inconsistent. Good stats, not a winner. He was check down charlie the second half of the season. It is right to blame the offensive line and hope that is the only problem. We shall see.
Preseason is mostly meaningless, but the third game is often an indicator of good the first string can be. If so, it is an indicator of ongoing inconsistency and the offense looks a bit like last year.
As for Sloter, I think the Vikings would like to keep him and continue his development, but we will find out Saturday. As a fan I would like to see him get some snaps against better competition, but so be it!
but being on the losing end against good teams isnt always on him. the D did him no favors in LA last year and KC kept the team in that game as well as leading drives to give Carlson opportunities to miss field goals in green bay.
I agree it's not always on KC, but it's hard to continue to ignore the stats. Is it mostly bad luck, or other players fault for losses?
Kirk Cousins Career Stats:
Record in Primetime Games: 6-13
Record on Monday & Thursday Night: 1-12
Record vs. Winning Teams: 5-25
Record vs. Winning Teams in 2018: 1-6
Career Road Record: 13-23-2
Post-season Record: 0-1
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ jargomcfargo said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ kmillard said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ kmillard said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
No matter how you slice it.
If Mannion or Sloter have to play in a real game then we are in more trouble than a little bit!
I wouldn't be so sure just yet... Kirk needs to step up his game, thats all I will say.
Cousins wasn't the issue: 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 4300 yds and completed over 70% of his passes.
I saw issues in a few games last year, NO, NE, Buffalo, both Bears games. He needs to step up and win a few of these types of games when maybe everything is not perfect to convince me.
Don't forget the Nationally televised Seattle night game. It was embarrassing to watch KC fumble and stumble into that loss.
I want to like KC, but he's just not getting it done when he faces adversity. When the going gets tough against winning teams, he's usually on the losing end.
I hope this year is different, but I think at this point of his career, this is just who he is.
Agreed, Cousins is inconsistent. Good stats, not a winner. He was check down charlie the second half of the season. It is right to blame the offensive line and hope that is the only problem. We shall see.
Preseason is mostly meaningless, but the third game is often an indicator of good the first string can be. If so, it is an indicator of ongoing inconsistency and the offense looks a bit like last year.
As for Sloter, I think the Vikings would like to keep him and continue his development, but we will find out Saturday. As a fan I would like to see him get some snaps against better competition, but so be it!
but being on the losing end against good teams isnt always on him. the D did him no favors in LA last year and KC kept the team in that game as well as leading drives to give Carlson opportunities to miss field goals in green bay.
I agree it's not always on KC, but it's hard to continue to ignore the stats. Is it mostly bad luck, or other players fault for losses?
Kirk Cousins Career Stats:
Record in Primetime Games: 6-13
Record on Monday & Thursday Night: 1-12
Record vs. Winning Teams: 5-25
Record vs. Winning Teams in 2018: 1-6
Career Road Record: 13-23-2
Post-season Record: 0-1
That's a lot of potentially damning statistics...If viewed in a vacuum.
As a fan, I have to look back at the teams and surround (in the greatest team game there is) to try and reach a conclusion
does it mean KC isn't good enough to lift an average to below average surround? Maybe
I still have a gut feeling that there is enough talent in the guy to be really good with this surround. We'll see.
I hope for Vikings fans sake his best seasons are ahead of him.
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