Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
I guess my message is. Dont treat the public school systems like your own personal daycare parents.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-) School is very much a de facto daycare. Now, I make sure my kids have their lunches and have their homework done, and I do stay involved in what they're doing, as most parents do, rich, poor or otherwise.
However, as I write another 4-figure check for summer time daycare, where my kids learn "crafts," I'm again reminded what a great bargain public school is. Wait, you have them 7 hours a day, which allows me to go into work. You teach them math, science, English, engineering...and they learn social skills, play soccer and volleyball? And you charge how much for this camp? Sign me up.
I hear yah. I put heavy influence on the word "personal".
I get the whole 7 hours of knowing where they're at thing. Kind of like Jimmy was saying and kinda worked himself up saying...lol. Do at least what is required of you if nothing else. The public schools are not yours personally. I agree with what Jimmy said though. If they not doing what's required. Not paying the food bill or filing the lunch voucher. Maybe the judge could get through to them. I doubt any kid gets removed over missing this. I'll bet the "grownups" get it after hearing from a judge.
I'll just add one more thing. I'm not a young parent. I'm getting older but still have a 12 year old grandson we are guardians of. These kids 30 years or younger then me are too busy?? My wife and I do everything they do plus work. At our age. What the hells your excuse for not getting it done.
Ps: my wife deserves the credit I'm taking.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
I guess my message is. Dont treat the public school systems like your own personal daycare parents.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-) School is very much a de facto daycare. Now, I make sure my kids have their lunches and have their homework done, and I do stay involved in what they're doing, as most parents do, rich, poor or otherwise.
However, as I write another 4-figure check for summer time daycare, where my kids learn "crafts," I'm again reminded what a great bargain public school is. Wait, you have them 7 hours a day, which allows me to go into work. You teach them math, science, English, engineering...and they learn social skills, play soccer and volleyball? And you charge how much for this camp? Sign me up.
the key part of that being a win for the tax payer is you, the parent, staying involved with your kids (as I know you do) and making sure that they arent pissing away the opportunity that is given to them. unfortunately to many dont see it as an opportunity, they see it as a free day care and arent involved with their kids upbringing and activities.
everytime 4 day school weeks get brought up, the #1 talking point isnt whether is better for the kids or not, its always about the lack of day care for them on their day off, just like the year round school that is pushed, the #1 support arguement is that it would be better for the working parent. ( even though they still get long breaks, just not 3 months straight.
Whether we like it or not, those are the realities of parenting. Parents work and kids can't be left alone. Sure, it sounds all fluffy bunnies to say kids come first, but when topics like 4-day weeks come up, it would be irresponsible for school districts to just ignore the realities parents (and their children) would face as a result. With the added daycare cost, what impact would it have on each family's ability to provide? When my twins were in ECE, I paid over $2K a month on daycare. I can't imagine what it must be like for the working poor. What impact would it have on many of the children? Would some parents just leave kids alone? I suspect some would. And does the 4-day week actually promote improved learning? I'm willing to listen, but I haven't heard one good argument that it does. So far, the only argument I've heard in favor of it is that it will save the school district money.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
I guess my message is. Dont treat the public school systems like your own personal daycare parents.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-) School is very much a de facto daycare. Now, I make sure my kids have their lunches and have their homework done, and I do stay involved in what they're doing, as most parents do, rich, poor or otherwise.
However, as I write another 4-figure check for summer time daycare, where my kids learn "crafts," I'm again reminded what a great bargain public school is. Wait, you have them 7 hours a day, which allows me to go into work. You teach them math, science, English, engineering...and they learn social skills, play soccer and volleyball? And you charge how much for this camp? Sign me up.
I hear yah. I put heavy influence on the word "personal".
I get the whole 7 hours of knowing where they're at thing. Kind of like Jimmy was saying and kinda worked himself up saying...lol. Do at least what is required of you if nothing else. The public schools are not yours personally. I agree with what Jimmy said though. If they not doing what's required. Not paying the food bill or filing the lunch voucher. Maybe the judge could get through to them. I doubt any kid gets removed over missing this. I'll bet the "grownups" get it after hearing from a judge.
I'll just add one more thing. I'm not a young parent. I'm getting older but still have a 12 year old grandson we are guardians of. These kids 30 years or younger then me are too busy?? My wife and I do everything they do plus work. At our age. What the hells your excuse for not getting it done.
Ps: my wife deserves the credit I'm taking.
for the record... I wasnt really worked up. I drop Fbombs out of habit on certain topics. Get me going on production tax credits and wind energy and you will think you are at a naval reunion happy hour. ( or an Irish bar at happy hour ) =)
I used to hate the part of school board meetings when we had to decide what to do with the kids whose parents were to lazy to fill out the forms. especially when it was the kids of parents who never miss happy hour, or those that take off work early for personal activities like dart league or some other venture that they cant really afford if they cant afford their kids lunches. lets not get into school breakfast programs.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
I guess my message is. Dont treat the public school systems like your own personal daycare parents.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-) School is very much a de facto daycare. Now, I make sure my kids have their lunches and have their homework done, and I do stay involved in what they're doing, as most parents do, rich, poor or otherwise.
However, as I write another 4-figure check for summer time daycare, where my kids learn "crafts," I'm again reminded what a great bargain public school is. Wait, you have them 7 hours a day, which allows me to go into work. You teach them math, science, English, engineering...and they learn social skills, play soccer and volleyball? And you charge how much for this camp? Sign me up.
the key part of that being a win for the tax payer is you, the parent, staying involved with your kids (as I know you do) and making sure that they arent pissing away the opportunity that is given to them. unfortunately to many dont see it as an opportunity, they see it as a free day care and arent involved with their kids upbringing and activities.
everytime 4 day school weeks get brought up, the #1 talking point isnt whether is better for the kids or not, its always about the lack of day care for them on their day off, just like the year round school that is pushed, the #1 support arguement is that it would be better for the working parent. ( even though they still get long breaks, just not 3 months straight.
Whether we like it or not, those are the realities of parenting. Parents work and kids can't be left alone. Sure, it sounds all fluffy bunnies to say kids come first, but when topics like 4-day weeks come up, it would be irresponsible for school districts to just ignore the realities parents (and their children) would face as a result. With the added daycare cost, what impact would it have on each family's ability to provide? When my twins were in ECE, I paid over $2K a month on daycare. I can't imagine what it must be like for the working poor. What impact would it have on many of the children? Would some parents just leave kids alone? I suspect some would. And does the 4-day week actually promote improved learning? I'm willing to listen, but I haven't heard one good argument that it does. So far, the only argument I've heard in favor of it is that it will save the school district money.
its a matter of education and the reasoning for doing it should be the primary discussion driver, not a reason why not to do it, unless they are that if it negatively affects the child.
I am not saying day care isnt a topic of discussion on the matter, but those parents that show up for meeting armed with nothing more than how its going to affect them personally, that is wrong if it actually does benefit their children. IMO once we decide to become parents, we put their lives and well being ahead of our own. What do those working parents do for the other roughly 18 fridays of the year when their kids dont have school? or for the summer months?
I dont advocate for or against 4 day school, i really dont care as long as its the best that we can do for the children without jacking spending out of control.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
I guess my message is. Dont treat the public school systems like your own personal daycare parents.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-) School is very much a de facto daycare. Now, I make sure my kids have their lunches and have their homework done, and I do stay involved in what they're doing, as most parents do, rich, poor or otherwise.
However, as I write another 4-figure check for summer time daycare, where my kids learn "crafts," I'm again reminded what a great bargain public school is. Wait, you have them 7 hours a day, which allows me to go into work. You teach them math, science, English, engineering...and they learn social skills, play soccer and volleyball? And you charge how much for this camp? Sign me up.
I hear yah. I put heavy influence on the word "personal".
I get the whole 7 hours of knowing where they're at thing. Kind of like Jimmy was saying and kinda worked himself up saying...lol. Do at least what is required of you if nothing else. The public schools are not yours personally. I agree with what Jimmy said though. If they not doing what's required. Not paying the food bill or filing the lunch voucher. Maybe the judge could get through to them. I doubt any kid gets removed over missing this. I'll bet the "grownups" get it after hearing from a judge.
I'll just add one more thing. I'm not a young parent. I'm getting older but still have a 12 year old grandson we are guardians of. These kids 30 years or younger then me are too busy?? My wife and I do everything they do plus work. At our age. What the hells your excuse for not getting it done.
Ps: my wife deserves the credit I'm taking.
for the record... I wasnt really worked up. I drop Fbombs out of habit on certain topics. Get me going on production tax credits and wind energy and you will think you are at a naval reunion happy hour. ( or an Irish bar at happy hour ) =)
I used to hate the part of school board meetings when we had to decide what to do with the kids whose parents were to lazy to fill out the forms. especially when it was the kids of parents who never miss happy hour, or those that take off work early for personal activities like dart league or some other venture that they cant really afford if they cant afford their kids lunches. lets not get into school breakfast programs.
I hear you.
The thing is word of mouth gets around quickly. If you haul a few of the most egregious deadbeats in to the judge. I bet the others get it too. Lets save ourselves some embarrassment and just fill out the form. Nobody want to be the next one like the one you were all gossiping about. Haha did you hear she got hauled into court? You did our voucher right? Umm doing it now...lol.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
I guess my message is. Dont treat the public school systems like your own personal daycare parents.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-) School is very much a de facto daycare. Now, I make sure my kids have their lunches and have their homework done, and I do stay involved in what they're doing, as most parents do, rich, poor or otherwise.
However, as I write another 4-figure check for summer time daycare, where my kids learn "crafts," I'm again reminded what a great bargain public school is. Wait, you have them 7 hours a day, which allows me to go into work. You teach them math, science, English, engineering...and they learn social skills, play soccer and volleyball? And you charge how much for this camp? Sign me up.
I hear yah. I put heavy influence on the word "personal".
I get the whole 7 hours of knowing where they're at thing. Kind of like Jimmy was saying and kinda worked himself up saying...lol. Do at least what is required of you if nothing else. The public schools are not yours personally. I agree with what Jimmy said though. If they not doing what's required. Not paying the food bill or filing the lunch voucher. Maybe the judge could get through to them. I doubt any kid gets removed over missing this. I'll bet the "grownups" get it after hearing from a judge.
I'll just add one more thing. I'm not a young parent. I'm getting older but still have a 12 year old grandson we are guardians of. These kids 30 years or younger then me are too busy?? My wife and I do everything they do plus work. At our age. What the hells your excuse for not getting it done.
Ps: my wife deserves the credit I'm taking.
for the record... I wasnt really worked up. I drop Fbombs out of habit on certain topics. Get me going on production tax credits and wind energy and you will think you are at a naval reunion happy hour. ( or an Irish bar at happy hour ) =)
I used to hate the part of school board meetings when we had to decide what to do with the kids whose parents were to lazy to fill out the forms. especially when it was the kids of parents who never miss happy hour, or those that take off work early for personal activities like dart league or some other venture that they cant really afford if they cant afford their kids lunches. lets not get into school breakfast programs.
I hear you.
The thing is word of mouth gets around quickly. If you haul a few of the most egregious deadbeats in to the judge. I bet the others get it too. Lets save ourselves some embarrassment and just fill out the form. Nobody want to be the next one like the one you were all gossiping about. Haha did you hear she got hauled into court? You did our voucher right? Umm doing it now...lol.
i fucking hand delivered a form to a woman with 4 kids in the school system and she wouldnt fill it out, she said its nobodies business at the school office to know how much money her family makes. I pointed out that the whole school would know that her kids lunch bill is over due because her kids were going to start getting peanut butter sammies and she got pissed as hell that WE would make her kids suffer like that. I agree on the word of mouth thing, I tell my customers that all the time that have a hard time collecting. In small rural communities you break a few knee caps and word gets around and the checks start coming on time.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
I guess my message is. Dont treat the public school systems like your own personal daycare parents.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-) School is very much a de facto daycare. Now, I make sure my kids have their lunches and have their homework done, and I do stay involved in what they're doing, as most parents do, rich, poor or otherwise.
However, as I write another 4-figure check for summer time daycare, where my kids learn "crafts," I'm again reminded what a great bargain public school is. Wait, you have them 7 hours a day, which allows me to go into work. You teach them math, science, English, engineering...and they learn social skills, play soccer and volleyball? And you charge how much for this camp? Sign me up.
I hear yah. I put heavy influence on the word "personal".
I get the whole 7 hours of knowing where they're at thing. Kind of like Jimmy was saying and kinda worked himself up saying...lol. Do at least what is required of you if nothing else. The public schools are not yours personally. I agree with what Jimmy said though. If they not doing what's required. Not paying the food bill or filing the lunch voucher. Maybe the judge could get through to them. I doubt any kid gets removed over missing this. I'll bet the "grownups" get it after hearing from a judge.
I'll just add one more thing. I'm not a young parent. I'm getting older but still have a 12 year old grandson we are guardians of. These kids 30 years or younger then me are too busy?? My wife and I do everything they do plus work. At our age. What the hells your excuse for not getting it done.
Ps: my wife deserves the credit I'm taking.
for the record... I wasnt really worked up. I drop Fbombs out of habit on certain topics. Get me going on production tax credits and wind energy and you will think you are at a naval reunion happy hour. ( or an Irish bar at happy hour ) =)
I used to hate the part of school board meetings when we had to decide what to do with the kids whose parents were to lazy to fill out the forms. especially when it was the kids of parents who never miss happy hour, or those that take off work early for personal activities like dart league or some other venture that they cant really afford if they cant afford their kids lunches. lets not get into school breakfast programs.
I hear you.
The thing is word of mouth gets around quickly. If you haul a few of the most egregious deadbeats in to the judge. I bet the others get it too. Lets save ourselves some embarrassment and just fill out the form. Nobody want to be the next one like the one you were all gossiping about. Haha did you hear she got hauled into court? You did our voucher right? Umm doing it now...lol.
i fucking hand delivered a form to a woman with 4 kids in the school system and she wouldnt fill it out, she said its nobodies business at the school office to know how much money her family makes. I pointed out that the whole school would know that her kids lunch bill is over due because her kids were going to start getting peanut butter sammies and she got pissed as hell that WE would make her kids suffer like that. I agree on the word of mouth thing, I tell my customers that all the time that have a hard time collecting. In small rural communities you break a few knee caps and word gets around and the checks start coming on time.
Yep lazy folks drive me nuts too.
I kinda get the nobodys business thing. Oh well sometimes you just got to do stuff. It's like my grandson. I can't put him on my insurance because I haven't adopted. So he is on Medicaid and relative care giver funds. Every year I have to give them my last two pay stubs when we re-up. It's for him not me. If I was a foster instead of a guardian I would get money as well. However since he's on Medicaid which is an assistance program he gets free lunch at school. We did the form. Hey I'm not too proud for free.
In the Faribault Mn school district its against policy to ask anyone poor or not to pay for their lunches/balances. According to my folks the district is roughly $1M in the hole on the lunch program.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
In the Faribault Mn school district its against policy to ask anyone poor or not to pay for their lunches/balances. According to my folks the district is roughly $1M in the hole on the lunch program.
but thats how govt should work... if the tax payers of the fairbult district want that policy, thats fine with me since I dont live there. much better than the fed making policies for local problems. I would wonder how many tax payers in that school district are aware of that policy.
The principal at my son's school noticed, on the 2nd to last day of school, that other kids were picking through his lunch box and stealing his favorite things in there. It's a snowbally thing - he doesn't mind sharing stuff with his "best" friend, but his "best" friend has friends too and they'll help themselves...
When we arrived to pick the kids up that day, my oldest was in the principals office. She told us what had happened at lunch that day, then had the gaul to tell us that our son needs to speak up more and that he should join the "Boys Club" to learn confidence. "This wouldn't happen if he had the confidence to stand up."
No joke.
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