Rudolph and the Vikings will have resolution by May 21st

Hmmm....

...I still think we're markedly better with him than without him, but with the cap and other issues...I dunno how this plays out.

per charley walters...... again.... per charley walters.....

@"JimmyinSD" said: per charley walters...... again.... per charley walters.....

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

· 9m

Its pretty obvious this is a real story, regardless if Walters is always right or not. He's right this time.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: per charley walters...... again.... per charley walters.....

Zimmer just responded at his golf tournament:

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

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Mike Zimmer at his golf outing on #Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph situation: "I've had conversations with Kyle and quite honestly I really love all my players. We expect Kyle to be here but sometimes business gets in the way.''

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

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#Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph said negotiations are ongoing regarding his situation but he wants it resolved “sooner than later.’’ He said, “I don’t want to be dealing with this come OTAs, minicamp, training camp. … The Vikings want clarity. I think we want clarity.’’

Its pretty obvious this is a real story, regardless if Walters is always right or not. He's right this time.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: per charley walters...... again.... per charley walters.....

Zimmer just responded at his golf tournament:

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

·27m

Mike Zimmer at his golf outing on #Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph situation: "I've had conversations with Kyle and quite honestly I really love all my players. We expect Kyle to be here but sometimes business gets in the way.''

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

· 9m

#Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph said negotiations are ongoing regarding his situation but he wants it resolved “sooner than later.’’ He said, “I don’t want to be dealing with this come OTAs, minicamp, training camp. … The Vikings want clarity. I think we want clarity.’’

Its pretty obvious this is a real story, regardless if Walters is always right or not. He's right this time.

it doesnt matter what Kyle wants in terms of a time line,  the Vikings own his contract so its really up to them when this gets resolved,  or if it does at all.  as far as walters being always right... i think it would be closer to the truth to say he is always wrong.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: per charley walters...... again.... per charley walters.....

Zimmer just responded at his golf tournament:

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

·27m

Mike Zimmer at his golf outing on #Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph situation: "I've had conversations with Kyle and quite honestly I really love all my players. We expect Kyle to be here but sometimes business gets in the way.''

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

· 9m

#Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph said negotiations are ongoing regarding his situation but he wants it resolved “sooner than later.’’ He said, “I don’t want to be dealing with this come OTAs, minicamp, training camp. … The Vikings want clarity. I think we want clarity.’’

Its pretty obvious this is a real story, regardless if Walters is always right or not. He's right this time.

it doesnt matter what Kyle wants in terms of a time line,  the Vikings own his contract so its really up to them when this gets resolved,  or if it does at all.  as far as walters being always right... i think it would be closer to the truth to say he is always wrong.

 lol, I never said he was always right! I'm saying he probably isn't, but THIS time he is. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: per charley walters...... again.... per charley walters.....

Zimmer just responded at his golf tournament:

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

·27m

Mike Zimmer at his golf outing on #Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph situation: "I've had conversations with Kyle and quite honestly I really love all my players. We expect Kyle to be here but sometimes business gets in the way.''

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

· 9m

#Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph said negotiations are ongoing regarding his situation but he wants it resolved “sooner than later.’’ He said, “I don’t want to be dealing with this come OTAs, minicamp, training camp. … The Vikings want clarity. I think we want clarity.’’

Its pretty obvious this is a real story, regardless if Walters is always right or not. He's right this time.

it doesnt matter what Kyle wants in terms of a time line,  the Vikings own his contract so its really up to them when this gets resolved,  or if it does at all.  as far as walters being always right... i think it would be closer to the truth to say he is always wrong.

 lol, I never said he was always right! I'm saying he probably isn't, but THIS time he is. 

i know what you said,  but i am saying... is he right?  i dont think so.    I dont see how it can be said he is right that this will certainly be resolved in a week when the source is Kyle who has zero control over the situation.

as far as charleys accuracy goes,  you  said "if walters is always right or not"... i am saying it would be closer to question if he is EVER right or not. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: per charley walters...... again.... per charley walters.....

Zimmer just responded at his golf tournament:

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

·27m

Mike Zimmer at his golf outing on #Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph situation: "I've had conversations with Kyle and quite honestly I really love all my players. We expect Kyle to be here but sometimes business gets in the way.''

Chris Tomasson

@christomasson

· 9m

#Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph said negotiations are ongoing regarding his situation but he wants it resolved “sooner than later.’’ He said, “I don’t want to be dealing with this come OTAs, minicamp, training camp. … The Vikings want clarity. I think we want clarity.’’

Its pretty obvious this is a real story, regardless if Walters is always right or not. He's right this time.

it doesnt matter what Kyle wants in terms of a time line,  the Vikings own his contract so its really up to them when this gets resolved,  or if it does at all.  as far as walters being always right... i think it would be closer to the truth to say he is always wrong.

 lol, I never said he was always right! I'm saying he probably isn't, but THIS time he is. 

i know what you said,  but i am saying... is he right?  i dont think so.    I dont see how it can be said he is right that this will certainly be resolved in a week when the source is Kyle who has zero control over the situation.

as far as charleys accuracy goes,  you  said "if walters is always right or not"... i am saying it would be closer to question if he is EVER right or not. 

 Ha ha. You crack me up. Jimmy....anyone in your family ever say that you have a little, tiny stubborn streak in you?  ;)

is it just me or has the quote feature suddenly gone to shit?

@"JimmyinSD" said: is it just me or has the quote feature suddenly gone to shit?

The issue appears to be a difference in how each side wants to resolve the matter. 

If the Vikings don't want to pay him top line TE money moving forward it makes an extension tough since they'll be attaching them to future guarantees at a high per year rate. From Rudolph's standpoint it looks like he wants to stay in purple but doesn't like the idea of a fully non-guaranteed 1 year deal. Although TE's have a decent life past 30 an injury or a lackadaisical 2019 probably kill his market value.  

What does it mean? If Rudy is going to refuse to play on his current deal they probably need to trade him or release him, although its probably not what the Vikings want to do. From the other side the Vikings are probably looking to extend Rudy way below market average or asking him to take a straight pay-cut in return for guaranteed money, which is rare in the NFL. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The issue appears to be a difference in how each side wants to resolve the matter. 

If the Vikings don't want to pay him top line TE money moving forward it makes an extension tough since they'll be attaching them to future guarantees at a high per year rate. From Rudolph's standpoint it looks like he wants to stay in purple but doesn't like the idea of a fully non-guaranteed 1 year deal. Although TE's have a decent life past 30 an injury or a lackadaisical 2019 probably kill his market value.  

What does it mean? If Rudy is going to refuse to play on his current deal they probably need to trade him or release him, although its probably not what the Vikings want to do. From the other side the Vikings are probably looking to extend Rudy way below market average or asking him to take a straight pay-cut in return for guaranteed money, which is rare in the NFL. 

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: is it just me or has the quote feature suddenly gone to shit?

By my test, I'd say it's you.  :)

@"Geoff Nichols" said: If Rudy is going to refuse to play on his current deal  

That seems kind of wild... Not once have I seen or heard Rudolph was holding out or considering a hold out. If Rudolph is seriously considering not playing in 2019 over his contract - that's a major unaccounted for storyline when it came to drafting Smith.

If Rudy plays, he plays...if he won't, he don't.  The team will move forward with or without Rudy regardless.  This isn't the first time something like this has happen in the NFL and this won't be the last.

problem solved!

@"BlackMagic7" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: If Rudy is going to refuse to play on his current deal  

That seems kind of wild... Not once have I seen or heard Rudolph was holding out or considering a hold out. If Rudolph is seriously considering not playing in 2019 over his contract - that's a major unaccounted for storyline when it came to drafting Smith.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The issue appears to be a difference in how each side wants to resolve the matter. 

If the Vikings don't want to pay him top line TE money moving forward it makes an extension tough since they'll be attaching them to future guarantees at a high per year rate. From Rudolph's standpoint it looks like he wants to stay in purple but doesn't like the idea of a fully non-guaranteed 1 year deal. Although TE's have a decent life past 30 an injury or a lackadaisical 2019 probably kill his market value.  

What does it mean? If Rudy is going to refuse to play on his current deal they probably need to trade him or release him, although its probably not what the Vikings want to do. From the other side the Vikings are probably looking to extend Rudy way below market average or asking him to take a straight pay-cut in return for guaranteed money, which is rare in the NFL. 

why is this so difficult?  why not use incentives to allow him to reach the money he wants to make and thinks he deserves?  if he thinks he should be paid like a top TE,  then he needs to play like a top TE.   his base should be set on where he is currently at or slighty below and then add incentives if he out performs the deal?  let him bank on himself and his abilities to get to those marks.

I think we'll just end up finding an alternative way of clearing 2019 cap space, let Rudolph play out 2019 on his existing contract and part ways in FA in 2020.  He's worth more on the free market than we can afford to commit to him in 2020 and beyond.  I just don't see Rudolph refusing to play out his contract (Is there any evidence suggesting that is even a possibility right now?).

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The issue appears to be a difference in how each side wants to resolve the matter. 

If the Vikings don't want to pay him top line TE money moving forward it makes an extension tough since they'll be attaching them to future guarantees at a high per year rate. From Rudolph's standpoint it looks like he wants to stay in purple but doesn't like the idea of a fully non-guaranteed 1 year deal. Although TE's have a decent life past 30 an injury or a lackadaisical 2019 probably kill his market value.  

What does it mean? If Rudy is going to refuse to play on his current deal they probably need to trade him or release him, although its probably not what the Vikings want to do. From the other side the Vikings are probably looking to extend Rudy way below market average or asking him to take a straight pay-cut in return for guaranteed money, which is rare in the NFL. 

why is this so difficult?  why not use incentives to allow him to reach the money he wants to make and thinks he deserves?  if he thinks he should be paid like a top TE,  then he needs to play like a top TE.   his base should be set on where he is currently at or slighty below and then add incentives if he out performs the deal?  let him bank on himself and his abilities to get to those marks.

Because there needs to be a long-term solution for both sides. Fixing 2019 isn't that tough but figuring out how to handle 2020/21 is very difficult. The Vikings don't want to tie themselves to long-term guaranteed money in an extension. Alternatively Rudy is going to want guarantees or they are going to end up in this exact situation a year from now. If you look at the situation as a whole, Rudolph and his camp are trying to leverage the Vikings limited cap space into an extension and that really benefits Rudy long-term. Now they're just cranking up the heat a little more and saying they want a resolution before OTA's so they know if Rudolph is or isn't in their future plans suggesting the alternative be a trade.