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ILB Cameron Smith is interesting pick for Minnesota
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Vikings draft pick and former USC linebacker Cameron Smith molded for Minnesota
Cameron Smith is a versatile linebacker. He loves to hunt, make wine and tackle ball carriers.
Not necessarily in that order.
The Vikings ended their run of drafting offensive players by taking the University of Southern California linebacker in the fifth round Saturday. They picked an inside linebacker/outdoorsman who went to a high school called Granite Bay and played in a college scheme similar to Mike Zimmer’s defense.
“I just feel like it was meant to be,” Smith said.
First, the football component. Smith became a starter his freshman year at USC and finished his career with 354 tackles. He was the first USC defender to lead the team in tackles three consecutive seasons since the late 1970s. (A perfect farewell pick for outgoing Vikings scout Scott Studwell.)
Smith was so advanced physically as a kid that he played middle school football as a fourth-grader. His grandfather, Bob Lakata, played basketball for Duke in the 1950s, but Smith ran into issues in that sport.
“I always fouled out around the second quarter,” he said.
Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman believes Smith can play all three linebacker spots, and he praised the linebacker’s intelligence and character. The NFL’s pre-draft process exposes every measurable possible in a prospect, but Smith chose something unquantifiable in defining his style of play.
“I use my brain a lot and do a lot of pre-snap recognition,” he said.
Smith lost 22 pounds before his senior season, whittling to a playing weight of 230 pounds. He picked up yoga to improve his flexibility and eliminated unhealthy snacks.
His reason for returning for his senior year rather than enter the draft last spring demonstrates impressive self-awareness.
“I felt like I had a lot to work on,” he said. “I just didn’t want to look back and think that I rushed out of college.”
OK, about that winemaking.
Smith became interested in wine a few years ago and scored an internship at Melville Winery in Lompoc, Calif.
He gained experience in all facets of the business. He worked in the fields, in the tasting rooms and in the cellar racking barrels.
“I even got to go up to Los Angeles a few times and work on the business part of it,” he said, “which is not my favorite.”
Smith said he finds the whole process — especially the agriculture aspect — “fascinating.”
“It’s so much more in-depth than just drinking it,” he said. “I love learning about what goes into a bottle. It’s adjusted my taste for wine and my palate.”
His palate prefers a good pinot, especially Melville’s.
“Their pinot noir is off the chain,” Smith said. “It’s very light and pretty and elegant. I feel like most people look at me like I am going to be a big body heavy Cabernet. I like the lighter, prettier looking pinot noirs that taste really good to me. Some of the whole cluster that adds a little more veggie to it, I think tastes great.”
He’ll find better fishing than wine tasting in his new home. Smith’s love of the outdoors is a family avocation, passed down by his father and his grandfather.
“That’s one of the things that I’m so excited to go to Minnesota for is the outdoors part of it,” he said. “I like to photograph some of our hunts. It’s almost carefree out there.”
He loves to hunt ducks, geese and turkeys.
“We actually shoot a lot of ducks in California, so people always look at me a little dumbfounded when I say that,” he said. “The best time for me — for football players in general — to hunt is probably turkey season because you’re only going to catch the latter half of waterfowl season. All of deer season is pretty much a busy time. Going to school in Los Angeles, it was my way to get away and do some things that I love and come back Up North and go to Chico and hunt and wear my boots and jeans and get after it a little bit.”
A winemaking, boot-wearing, waterfowl-shooting linebacker? Bud Grant will be proud.
http://www.startribune.com/vikings-draft...509171512/

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#12
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
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#13
Quote: @NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
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#14
Lacks trigger juice? Don't believe I would want to be the one testing him for that.
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#15
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
this a million times over.   the combine is a joke and so are pro days.  yes they are measurables and for some athletes that is important, but as we all know the best athletes dont necessarily make the best football players.   how often do we see speedsters slow down once they pads are on and they have to worry about getting hit?   how often do those guys with great bench numbers end up getting killed in the pros because thier technique sucks or they have no bend in their play?

maybe the kid will be to slow,  but the wheels between the ears are equally importants as the ones below the waist.
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#16
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@StickyBun said:
@NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
this a million times over.   the combine is a joke and so are pro days.  yes they are measurables and for some athletes that is important, but as we all know the best athletes dont necessarily make the best football players.   how often do we see speedsters slow down once they pads are on and they have to worry about getting hit?   how often do those guys with great bench numbers end up getting killed in the pros because thier technique sucks or they have no bend in their play?

maybe the kid will be to slow,  but the wheels between the ears are equally importants as the ones below the waist.
He is a smart linebacker who excels at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage on run defense. What he does not excel at is covering TE's and RB's out of the backfield. He ranked 87th in that category which is a direct indication of how slow he is and the lack of lateral quickness. Like I said, he is a cheaper version of Gedeon and Downs. With our cap issues, maybe that was the strategy behind this pick when we were unable to get our target. Replace some of these veterans with cheaper rookies to save cap space. He just isn't a coverage linebacker and that is where we could use some additional talent. 
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Quote: @TBro said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@StickyBun said:
@NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
this a million times over.   the combine is a joke and so are pro days.  yes they are measurables and for some athletes that is important, but as we all know the best athletes dont necessarily make the best football players.   how often do we see speedsters slow down once they pads are on and they have to worry about getting hit?   how often do those guys with great bench numbers end up getting killed in the pros because thier technique sucks or they have no bend in their play?

maybe the kid will be to slow,  but the wheels between the ears are equally importants as the ones below the waist.
He is a smart linebacker who excels at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage on run defense. What he does not excel at is covering TE's and RB's out of the backfield. He ranked 87th in that category which is a direct indication of how slow he is and the lack of lateral quickness. Like I said, he is a cheaper version of Gedeon and Downs. With our cap issues, maybe that was the strategy behind this pick when we were unable to get our target. Replace some of these veterans with cheaper rookies to save cap space. He just isn't a coverage linebacker and that is where we could use some additional talent. 
I saw a report that the Vikings might look at trying Jayron Kearse at LB...  I'm guessing it would only be in nickel packages if they do it.  Maybe that also means they'll experiment with Barr at DE in obvious passing situations...
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#18
I seriously doubt he will be on the opening day roster.  The scenario for him is making the practice squad.  He will be nothing more than insurance if there were to be a rash of injuries to the linebackers that are on the active roster.  With the cap such as it is, the Vikings can't go out and sign any free agent linebackers to come in.
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#19
Quote: @TBro said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@StickyBun said:
@NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
this a million times over.   the combine is a joke and so are pro days.  yes they are measurables and for some athletes that is important, but as we all know the best athletes dont necessarily make the best football players.   how often do we see speedsters slow down once they pads are on and they have to worry about getting hit?   how often do those guys with great bench numbers end up getting killed in the pros because thier technique sucks or they have no bend in their play?

maybe the kid will be to slow,  but the wheels between the ears are equally importants as the ones below the waist.
He is a smart linebacker who excels at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage on run defense. What he does not excel at is covering TE's and RB's out of the backfield. He ranked 87th in that category which is a direct indication of how slow he is and the lack of lateral quickness. Like I said, he is a cheaper version of Gedeon and Downs. With our cap issues, maybe that was the strategy behind this pick when we were unable to get our target. Replace some of these veterans with cheaper rookies to save cap space. He just isn't a coverage linebacker and that is where we could use some additional talent. 
Quote: @TBro said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@StickyBun said:
@NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
this a million times over.   the combine is a joke and so are pro days.  yes they are measurables and for some athletes that is important, but as we all know the best athletes dont necessarily make the best football players.   how often do we see speedsters slow down once they pads are on and they have to worry about getting hit?   how often do those guys with great bench numbers end up getting killed in the pros because thier technique sucks or they have no bend in their play?

maybe the kid will be to slow,  but the wheels between the ears are equally importants as the ones below the waist.
He is a smart linebacker who excels at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage on run defense. What he does not excel at is covering TE's and RB's out of the backfield. He ranked 87th in that category which is a direct indication of how slow he is and the lack of lateral quickness. Like I said, he is a cheaper version of Gedeon and Downs. With our cap issues, maybe that was the strategy behind this pick when we were unable to get our target. Replace some of these veterans with cheaper rookies to save cap space. He just isn't a coverage linebacker and that is where we could use some additional talent. 

Gedeon is on the 3rd year of his rookie deal and his cap hit this year will be $803K - but he has dead cap of $316K. Downs is on the 2nd year and his cap hit is something under $500K. Smith will get a rookie salary of around $500K, so he isn't actually cheaper, even than Gedeon when you consider dead cap. Smith would be about $150K cheaper than Kentrell Brothers, but if we're spending picks to save a couple hundred thousand in cap space - by cutting young players that should be maturing to being more valuable - we must have seriously mismanaged salaries.
Smith is just the 4th slow no-coverage 1-down LB the Vikings have picked in 4 years. Plan on another next year.

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Quote: @Jor-El said:
@TBro said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@StickyBun said:
@NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
this a million times over.   the combine is a joke and so are pro days.  yes they are measurables and for some athletes that is important, but as we all know the best athletes dont necessarily make the best football players.   how often do we see speedsters slow down once they pads are on and they have to worry about getting hit?   how often do those guys with great bench numbers end up getting killed in the pros because thier technique sucks or they have no bend in their play?

maybe the kid will be to slow,  but the wheels between the ears are equally importants as the ones below the waist.
He is a smart linebacker who excels at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage on run defense. What he does not excel at is covering TE's and RB's out of the backfield. He ranked 87th in that category which is a direct indication of how slow he is and the lack of lateral quickness. Like I said, he is a cheaper version of Gedeon and Downs. With our cap issues, maybe that was the strategy behind this pick when we were unable to get our target. Replace some of these veterans with cheaper rookies to save cap space. He just isn't a coverage linebacker and that is where we could use some additional talent. 
Quote: @TBro said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@StickyBun said:
@NorthwestNorseman said:
I'm glad to see someone above said he's a slow LB.  I haven't watched much USC so I didn't see him play that much, but just watching his highlight videos, he looked slow as heck.
But slow doesn't equate to being a bad player: there are a bunch of 'slow' players in the NFL, especially at LB. Instincts are important. Fans get WAY to caught up in the measurables, especially during draft time. Being able to diagnosis at LB saves you false steps, which is time.
this a million times over.   the combine is a joke and so are pro days.  yes they are measurables and for some athletes that is important, but as we all know the best athletes dont necessarily make the best football players.   how often do we see speedsters slow down once they pads are on and they have to worry about getting hit?   how often do those guys with great bench numbers end up getting killed in the pros because thier technique sucks or they have no bend in their play?

maybe the kid will be to slow,  but the wheels between the ears are equally importants as the ones below the waist.
He is a smart linebacker who excels at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage on run defense. What he does not excel at is covering TE's and RB's out of the backfield. He ranked 87th in that category which is a direct indication of how slow he is and the lack of lateral quickness. Like I said, he is a cheaper version of Gedeon and Downs. With our cap issues, maybe that was the strategy behind this pick when we were unable to get our target. Replace some of these veterans with cheaper rookies to save cap space. He just isn't a coverage linebacker and that is where we could use some additional talent. 

Gedeon is on the 3rd year of his rookie deal and his cap hit this year will be $803K - but he has dead cap of $316K. Downs is on the 2nd year and his cap hit is something under $500K. Smith will get a rookie salary of around $500K, so he isn't actually cheaper, even than Gedeon when you consider dead cap. Smith would be about $150K cheaper than Kentrell Brothers, but if we're spending picks to save a couple hundred thousand in cap space - by cutting young players that should be maturing to being more valuable - we must have seriously mismanaged salaries.
Smith is just the 4th slow no-coverage 1-down LB the Vikings have picked in 4 years. Plan on another next year.

Good work on the Cap Breakdown. I didn't spend any time on that and was merely guessing since Gedeon was a 4th rounder and Downs was a 7th rounder hoping that Smith could replace both on the roster, Brothers, or some combination that would create some cap relief. 

Dead on with your take on slow no-coverage LB's. We have way too many in a pass happy NFL. Maybe that's why the rumblings of moving Kearse to LB would make sense and give us that style of player we need. He definitely should be on the field more. 
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