I love the Simmons pick. Sneaky good value there. I remember a player with the last name of Greenway who missed his entire first year too. Trading Waynes is brilliant! Moving up to secure the one interior lineman the team needs makes too much sense.
What is not mentioned in any of the comments thus far is the 9 mil in cap space you immediately save. That can be used to bring in some veterans on the cheap.
For example, TJ Yeldon and Spencer Ware are both still available and I would love to see the Vikings add either one. Preferably Yeldon. Probably somewhere between 1 and 2 mil for either at this stage.
They can also grab themselves a veteran corner in this scenario. Players like Kayvon Webster, Orlando Scandrick (my choice), Morris Claiborne, and Capt Munnerlyn are all still available.
Yes, with that trade it opens up other possibilities while Johnson gets his training.
I liked Hanks prior to the combine but the dude has not run well in any testing yet. I think he had a 5.04 forty on his pro day. I cant see that being on the field even for special teams. Something must have been wrong.
The Thompson picks makes a lot of sense with the departure of Sherels.
I could actually see another WR or safety instead of Scott.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Simmons would be a great pick for the future. Following it up with Lines from definitely takes the sting off of not grabbing an OL in the first. I'd want to grab a RB before the end of Day 3.
I really wanted to go RB earlier but just couldn't get it to work unless I pushed CB down, which I could see being more likely. Something to play around with in another mock for sure.
Considering the two AAF signings, and the frequency Zim prefers to run the ball, plus the inability of Cook to stay on the field to date I think we go earlier than most expect...I'd move up for Jacobs if he fell to Day 2...
Not to mention Roc Thomas's off the field issues. Kubiak has been able to get production out of late round picks, but you'd still think they'd like a more solid option behind Cook if possible. That's the hard thing about this draft, we have so many areas of need that it's going to be hard to address them all adequately. I suspect that a couple rookie free agents could make the roster this year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ PurplePastor said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I'd be pretty happy about that. Simmons is a tough one. Not because he's a DT but because he's hurt. Top 5 talent, but we would come out of that draft with only a starting LG helping us in 2019, but that might be the case no matter which way we go.
I sorta wonder if the Vikings could swing a trade down with New England who just might be looking at one of the TEs if he's there. 18 to 32 would net the Vikings the Pats' 2nd and 4th rounders and the Vikings would find better value there among players like Risner, Lindstrom, McGary...
I agree that Simmons is a tough one, I wanted to play around with the idea more than anything else. The injury doesn't scare me a ton since ACL recovery has become so streamlined over the past few years. It also happened early enough in the process that he would at worst get some live reps near the end of the season to prepare for 2020. in the most ideal situations if the top 3 OL are off the board Hockenson, Oliver, Gary, or Sweat make it down to #18.
NE makes a lot of sense as a trade partner since they have more picks than they can practically use and have a huge need at TE. I'd also put the Chargers in the conversation if one of the QB's make it down the board. The question I still don't have a great feel for is if they'd pass on a stud defensive player or TE for Bradbury or Lindstrom. Draft tendencies would suggest they wait on OL but practicality says that the former isn't making it to #50 and the latter likely isn't either.
Why wouldn't the Vikes try to trade up for one of the top 3 OLs? That is clearly our weak position and has been for a few years. If they are sold on those 3 and not as much on the rest, why not go for it rather than use a subjective value measure such as - Lindstrom is good for the 2nd round but not the 1st - and then miss out on him as another team grabs him ahead of us? Let's go after a top notch O lineman rather than take a chance that a lesser one falls into our lap later?
I think it is a real possibility depending on how the board falls. If all three lineman go in the top 10, they aren't moving up. If one of the three are still on the board at #13 you would have to at least consider the idea. Miami is playing for the future and they could opt to leverage their comp pick for Richardson to move up in this years draft. If two of the three make it to #13 you wait for the other to go before deciding on a move up the board.
I don't think we'll trade up. Actually, I think everyone's panicking a little too much about those linemen being taken off the board before we pick (probably due to what happened last year). But it likely won't happen again this year.
I think at least one among the elite OLs (IMO, Williams, Taylor, Ford, Bradbury and Dillard) will be there. And I think we'll take one. I think we'd be fools for passing on any of them.
If all are gone, and we can't find a trade down partner, only then do I see us turning to another position. I mean you can say that Wilkins or Simmons or Hockenson or Fant is BPA, but are they really? Enough better than those 5 really good linemen above to risk going into day 2 without an OL? Never know who's going to come up and snipe your guy in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, too. And then what do you do?
I tend to think the Vikings will go into the draft with a healthy amount of fear...
If you consider Ford and Bradbury tier 1 lineman, they should still be on the board. At best maybe Dillard falls a bit. I really have nothing against Bradbury and think he's one of the better interior lineman in this years class. Ford I have more mixed opinions on.
They're not taking Simmons nor are they making the trade for Waynes that was suggested here.
Quote: @Tyr said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
Simmons would be a great pick for the future. Following it up with Lines from definitely takes the sting off of not grabbing an OL in the first. I'd want to grab a RB before the end of Day 3.
I really wanted to go RB earlier but just couldn't get it to work unless I pushed CB down, which I could see being more likely. Something to play around with in another mock for sure.
Considering the two AAF signings, and the frequency Zim prefers to run the ball, plus the inability of Cook to stay on the field to date I think we go earlier than most expect...I'd move up for Jacobs if he fell to Day 2...
Not to mention Roc Thomas's off the field issues. Kubiak has been able to get production out of late round picks, but you'd still think they'd like a more solid option behind Cook if possible. That's the hard thing about this draft, we have so many areas of need that it's going to be hard to address them all adequately. I suspect that a couple rookie free agents could make the roster this year.
With the signing of Mannion & Schult, the team now has 65 players under contract, add in the 8 draft picks that leaves room for 17 UDFA’s or other signings... Help Wanted!
Quote: Personally, I am very confused by Indy agreeing to give up a 4th round draft pick (#129) in order to move back in the second round from #34 to #50. Genius and no brainer for the Vikes to make this trade.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
2 (34) via IND - Chris Lindstrom (OG / Boston College) : Although a trade has not made to date and I still find it somewhat unlikely the Vikings deal Trae Waynes they find a trade partner in the Colts in this mock after the first day of the draft. The Vikings trade up from 2(50) to 2(34) and also receive 4(129). Netted out this is roughly the equivalent of a high 3rd round selection. The Vikings then opt to choose a day one starter at LG in Chris Lindstrom. Lindstrom is one of the most athletic interior lineman in the class and has no immediate holes in his game that would prevent him from sliding in at LG. As a player he is a glass eater and wants to bully the opposition. The mentality is clearly something the Vikings need after a passive group sleep walked through the 2018 season.
2 (50) - Traded 2(50) to IND for 2(34) & 4(129)
4 (129) via IND - Terrill Hanks (OLB / New Mexico St.) : There is no doubt the Vikings were happy with their depth at LB in 2018, Zimmer even suggested so multiple times during the season. Terrill Hanks is a scheme fit that offers upside as a pass rusher unlike some of their current depth options. Although there would be no pressure to start in the near future, Hanks would be an elite ST prospect and could push Ben Gedeon if all goes to plan. If not, he would be one of the only players on the roster who could replace Anthony Barr in a pinch due to his ability to take on blocks on the edge, something Eric Wilson struggled with when pushed onto the field last season.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
Personally, I am very confused by Indy agreeing to give up a 4th round draft pick (#129) in order to move back in the second round from #34 to #50. Genius and no brainer for the Vikes to make this trade.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
2 (34) via IND - Chris Lindstrom (OG / Boston College) : Although a trade has not made to date and I still find it somewhat unlikely the Vikings deal Trae Waynes they find a trade partner in the Colts in this mock after the first day of the draft. The Vikings trade up from 2(50) to 2(34) and also receive 4(129). Netted out this is roughly the equivalent of a high 3rd round selection. The Vikings then opt to choose a day one starter at LG in Chris Lindstrom. Lindstrom is one of the most athletic interior lineman in the class and has no immediate holes in his game that would prevent him from sliding in at LG. As a player he is a glass eater and wants to bully the opposition. The mentality is clearly something the Vikings need after a passive group sleep walked through the 2018 season.
2 (50) - Traded 2(50) to IND for 2(34) & 4(129)
4 (129) via IND - Terrill Hanks (OLB / New Mexico St.) : There is no doubt the Vikings were happy with their depth at LB in 2018, Zimmer even suggested so multiple times during the season. Terrill Hanks is a scheme fit that offers upside as a pass rusher unlike some of their current depth options. Although there would be no pressure to start in the near future, Hanks would be an elite ST prospect and could push Ben Gedeon if all goes to plan. If not, he would be one of the only players on the roster who could replace Anthony Barr in a pinch due to his ability to take on blocks on the edge, something Eric Wilson struggled with when pushed onto the field last season.
The Vikings gave up Waynes... ?
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
The Vikings gave up Waynes... ?
Got it, was unclear the first time I read it. Thanks
Quote: @comet52 said:
They're not taking Simmons nor are they making the trade for Waynes that was suggested here.
Rick is that you?
Quote: @GodThor said:
@ comet52 said:
They're not taking Simmons nor are they making the trade for Waynes that was suggested here.
Rick is that you?
Shhh!
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