To clarify, I never said players should NOT be held accountable or "called out", whether publicly (although this is not ideal, IMO) or privately.
In fact, I specifically gave examples of CHAMPIONSHIP winning coaches who have the equity to critique players in any fashion they choose.....because they have tangible results in their trophy cases. And Mikey stating "I need to coach better" is a far cry from FIRING people or telling them they're not earning their paychecks. I think he's taking too much from the Slick Rick playbook with the constant scape-goats.
Is he better than Tice, Frazier or Chilly? LMFAO! THAT'S the standard?! Wow, just, well, WOW. How about judging teams, front offices and coaches on PLAYOFF WINS. 13 YEARS - 2 playoff wins. 5 YEARS - 1 playoff win. Let's just compare that to a recent team....In the course of 2 WEEKS just last January, the Jacksonville Jaguars, Coughlin and Marrone won TWO playoff games ( 1 road game) and came very close to beating the Patriots on the road in the AFCCG.....and they certainly didn't EMBARRASS themselves in that game. That equals Schpielman's 13 seasons total and doubles Zimmer's 5 season total.
As far as "fanning better"? There's something to that....Vikings fans historically have been far too accepting of mediocrity. Many seem to be content not to be the worst. It used to be "At least we're not the Bucs, Saints, Rams,Lions, Browns". That list has trickled down to the Lions and Browns, and by next year it might be down to just the Lions. Even the 1995 expansion Carolina Panthers have been to 2 Super Bowls this century....with 2 different GM's, 2 different HC's and 2 different QB's. And Viking fans STILL insist that this team has the BEST roster in the NFL?? SMH. If that's true, then it's apparent that the VIKINGS have the WORST coaching staff in NFL history, because some pretty average HC's have won, or at least MADE the SB (Fassel, Gruden, Switzer, Billick, Fox, Harbaugh(s), Quinn, Kubiak, etc.), and not all of them had the "best" roster in the NFL those years. Either fans are over valuing the players/coaches or the FO. Personally, I think it's a little of the former and a lot of the latter, but that's just me.
The whole (the team) should EXCEED the sum of it's parts (player/coaches). The Vikings just never add up, certainly not these past 13 seasons. The Vikings are currently in their WORST 13 year playoff run in their HISTORY.....their has never been a 13 year stretch with fewer than 2 playoff wins. That's over the course of 58 seasons, folks. Not good.
I see no logical reason to anticipate any drastic turn around this season. Could it happen? Of course. Am I hoping it happens? Sure, it's too late for me to switch allegiance, I'm cursed with supporting this team. But I'm over the BLIND allegiance phase. I haven't been to a Vikings game since 2009, nor have I purchased any merchandise. I realize the Wilf's have tripled their investment in that time frame and don't give a rat's ass about a few thousand dollars from me, but if more fans followed suit, they might take notice that being the "the tallest midget" just doesn't measure up any longer for their fan base. We shall see. Here's hoping that RS and MZ prove me wrong, but I'll have to SEE it in order to believe it.
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@ Purplewhizz said:
I have zero problem with these snowflakes being called out when they are getting paid huge contracts and not producing. Why shouldn't it come with the territory?
Agree...the last time we coddled a star player it didn’t go so well. Please see the notorious case of #28 for further details.
I can’t understand why anyone would get on a coach’s case for publically calling out a high dollar, underperforming player. What should he do?? Praise the guy? Shit would hit the fan on ol’ Vikefans if that happened too...damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Maybe it’s a better idea to instead listen to the player call out the coach publically. That worked well for Mike McCarthy and the Packers front office didn’t it?
By not going well you mean winning his 3rd rushing title after being banished for a year. That kinda not well.
Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?
In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.
Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.
Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.
Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.
Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?
In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.
Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.
Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.
Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.
Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique.
As a leader of people for decades in big food marketing and manufacturing, I can absolutely attest to how there are significant generational differences across employees.
How I managed a millennial was in general very different than a Boomer. Gen x? Closer to a Boomer for sure.
That said, we have to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. Personality differences come into play and a good mgr will pick-up on those nuances.
Zimsu is old school - not sure if that's a good thing with this new generation of players. NFL can be slow to change, but with McVay'itis sweeping the scene, it wouldn't surprise me if Zimmer is one of the last of his breed to get to coach at this level.
Didn't he do the same thing to Barr (said something like he coasts)
Sure Barr didn't play any better last year, but came running home after agreeing to sign with a different team.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?
In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.
Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.
Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.
Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.
Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique.
Unfortunately, I have to work with this age group and I am continually disappointed in their dedication and work ethic. Obviously a very broad brush but my God, I was told by one just today that he could not travel next week because his wife was due with a baby AT THE END OF MAY. And this is very typical.
I don't think coddling works. I don't think anything works... and we're all screwed once we get too old to prop them up.
Quote: @prairieghost said:
@ Purplewhizz said:
I have zero problem with these snowflakes being called out when they are getting paid huge contracts and not producing. Why shouldn't it come with the territory?
Agree...the last time we coddled a star player it didn’t go so well. Please see the notorious case of #28 for further details.
I can’t understand why anyone would get on a coach’s case for publically calling out a high dollar, underperforming player. What should he do?? Praise the guy? Shit would hit the fan on ol’ Vikefans if that happened too...damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Maybe it’s a better idea to instead listen to the player call out the coach publically. That worked well for Mike McCarthy and the Packers front office didn’t it?
And to say he "called him out" might be a stretch. IIRC, the actual context was him being asked about Rhodes' play and contract. So he could be coy and give coachspeak. We would probably see the same group bitching about how dishonest he is and won't call out players who are underperforming.
It is the offseason, every little jot of news is going to be analyzed 14 ways. But the "oh boy, here goes Zim again doing..."
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ FSUVike said:
Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?
In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.
Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.
Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.
Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.
Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique.
As a leader of people for decades in big food marketing and manufacturing, I can absolutely attest to how there are significant generational differences across employees.
How I managed a millennial was in general very different than a Boomer. Gen x? Closer to a Boomer for sure.
That said, we have to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. Personality differences come into play and a good mgr will pick-up on those nuances.
Zimsu is old school - not sure if that's a good thing with this new generation of players. NFL can be slow to change, but with McVay'itis sweeping the scene, it wouldn't surprise me if Zimmer is one of the last of his breed to get to coach at this level.
Actually I think the reason players like playing for Zim is because he genuinely cares about them. And he is honest. Childress tried to be a hard ass but when the chips were down, he folded and coddled some players (Old man Bert). So he was inconsistent.
Zimmer is consistent. He demands greatness from everyone, including himself. He doesn't coddle the stars and treat the special teamer with overly heavy discipline. But he also cares about them as people. I think that is what gives him respect in the eyes of the players.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ FSUVike said:
Clearly many of you don't supervise employees. You think making millions of dollars means these guys have suddenly adopted thick skin?
In my experience, every generation is getting thinner skinned and more sensitive than the previous one.
Has that always been the case historically? Of course. But the Internet and Social Media has exaggerated and exasperated the problem.
Kevin Durant uses burner accounts to anonymously argue with trolls on Twitter. Cyber bullying is probably more common than actual physical bullying for kids. Shit, workplace bullying is now a fireable offense.
Making millions doesn't turn your emotions off. And for generations used to living their lives online getting called out constantly in that forum, which the media feeds, is only going to work for certain personality types and not the majority of your players.
Generations change and management techniques change with them. At times Zimmer comes across like he's coaching the 85 Bears or one of Buddy Ryan's Eagles teams. Not sure how many successful Coaches in the League are still using that technique.
As a leader of people for decades in big food marketing and manufacturing, I can absolutely attest to how there are significant generational differences across employees.
How I managed a millennial was in general very different than a Boomer. Gen x? Closer to a Boomer for sure.
That said, we have to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush. Personality differences come into play and a good mgr will pick-up on those nuances.
Zimsu is old school - not sure if that's a good thing with this new generation of players. NFL can be slow to change, but with McVay'itis sweeping the scene, it wouldn't surprise me if Zimmer is one of the last of his breed to get to coach at this level.
Good insight here. I agree about Zim....I think he's the last of the old school breed, along with Bruce Arians.
Millennials aren't all bad, they have some good traits, but they are definitely into the 'work/life' balance thing. They are entitled. They question why companies do certain things and you have to earn trust from them, its not given because of title. Especially the smarter ones.
Wow, sports might be different, but my impression of millennials (I work with a dozen of them) is that they're incredibly smart and incredibly driven. I hate all of 'em.
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