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03-22-2019, 12:58 PM

Quote: @ArizonaViking said:
The Vikings have got more pressing needs this year than a quarterback. Why bring in a rookie quarterback just to watch him get killed on the field?

? You bring in a rookie QB, so he can learn behind Cousins and take over when he's ready. No one would bring in a rookie QB to start day 1.

03-22-2019, 12:58 PM

Quote: @ArizonaViking said:
The Vikings have got more pressing needs this year than a quarterback. Why bring in a rookie quarterback just to watch him get killed on the field?

you bring in the rookie to get settled into the offense while Kirk is still at the helm. Get the kid some experience before throwing him out there to get killed.

03-22-2019, 01:02 PM

I just wish elite QB's came with a flashing light on their heads that would make them easier to identify come scouting, combine, pro-days, etc.
It's easy to say team X needs to get a QB years ago. True, but looking at the draft classes for the past decade or so, how many "elite" QB's were there? By definition elite means rare. For every Rodgers how many Couch's, Manziel's, Carr's, Russell's, Harrington's, et al have come...stunk it up...and left the stage. I know everybody wants the next Mahomes and he'll probably have a good NFL career, but I don't think the Patriots were calling Brady elite when they drafted him. In Eli's case he's only won 2 Super Bowls so he should have been kicked to the curb years ago?
That the Vikes, even with Cousins entering year 2 of his deal, needs to prepare for "that day" is undeniable. But many QB's become very good NFL QB's by looking, listening and preparing for the day when they hand over the clipboard for the pigskin.
Day one starters are great and exciting...but very, very, very rare. Even Rodgers had to pay his dues before he hit the field. Maybe Sloter is that guy...maybe not. Thinking some guy in the 3rd round this year is going to be Johnny U might be a bit premature. Ask Josh Rosen.

03-22-2019, 01:12 PM

Quote: @Ralphie said:
I just wish elite QB's came with a flashing light on their heads that would make them easier to identify come scouting, combine, pro-days, etc.
It's easy to say team X needs to get a QB years ago. True, but looking at the draft classes for the past decade or so, how many "elite" QB's were there? By definition elite means rare. For every Rodgers how many Couch's, Manziel's, Carr's, Russell's, Harrington's, et al have come...stunk it up...and left the stage. I know everybody wants the next Mahomes and he'll probably have a good NFL career, but I don't think the Patriots were calling Brady elite when they drafted him. In Eli's case he's only won 2 Super Bowls so he should have been kicked to the curb years ago?
That the Vikes, even with Cousins entering year 2 of his deal, needs to prepare for "that day" is undeniable. But many QB's become very good NFL QB's by looking, listening and preparing for the day when they hand over the clipboard for the pigskin.
Day one starters are great and exciting...but very, very, very rare. Even Rodgers had to pay his dues before he hit the field. Maybe Sloter is that guy...maybe not. Thinking some guy in the 3rd round this year is going to be Johnny U might be a bit premature. Ask Josh Rosen.

I thought Rick finally had "his" guy when we drafted Teddy. What if the Vikes would've signed Teddy instead of spending $30Mil on Cousins? We were 8-7-1 last season with the "second best QB in Viking's history" stats Cousins gave us. I wonder if the win/loss record would've been much different with Teddy at Qb ? I do know our cap situation would be a hell of a lot better with Teddy at the helm, and we could still be looking for the next young QB to take over.

Did the Vikings spend all this money on Cousins only to find out he's not worth it after one season? It's quite possible, and RS had to be held accountable.

03-22-2019, 01:15 PM

Not a year to go that high for a QB...Too much narrative still to be written.

03-22-2019, 01:24 PM

Quote: @HappyViking said:

@Ralphie said:
I just wish elite QB's came with a flashing light on their heads that would make them easier to identify come scouting, combine, pro-days, etc.
It's easy to say team X needs to get a QB years ago. True, but looking at the draft classes for the past decade or so, how many "elite" QB's were there? By definition elite means rare. For every Rodgers how many Couch's, Manziel's, Carr's, Russell's, Harrington's, et al have come...stunk it up...and left the stage. I know everybody wants the next Mahomes and he'll probably have a good NFL career, but I don't think the Patriots were calling Brady elite when they drafted him. In Eli's case he's only won 2 Super Bowls so he should have been kicked to the curb years ago?
That the Vikes, even with Cousins entering year 2 of his deal, needs to prepare for "that day" is undeniable. But many QB's become very good NFL QB's by looking, listening and preparing for the day when they hand over the clipboard for the pigskin.
Day one starters are great and exciting...but very, very, very rare. Even Rodgers had to pay his dues before he hit the field. Maybe Sloter is that guy...maybe not. Thinking some guy in the 3rd round this year is going to be Johnny U might be a bit premature. Ask Josh Rosen.
I thought Rick finally had "his" guy when we drafted Teddy. What if the Vikes would've signed Teddy instead of spending $30Mil on Cousins? We were 8-7-1 last season with the "second best QB in Viking's history" stats Cousins gave us. I wonder if the win/loss record would've been much different with Teddy at Qb ? I do know our cap situation would be a hell of a lot better with Teddy at the helm, and we could still be looking for the next young QB to take over.

Did the Vikings spend all this money on Cousins only to find out he's not worth it after one season? It's quite possible, and RS had to be held accountable.

Happy, I was one of the many fans who thought that fateful August day in 2016 was dunbar for Teddy. That injury was something no GM could bank on. The die was cast and the team moved on with several other opting in these past 2 1/2 years that now seems infinitely longer.
Could Teddy have replicated Kirk's record? Maybe, but hindsight is always clearer...and cheaper. But just as Kirk was getting pounded thanks to our porous OL, it's just as likely Teddy could be in a wheelchair now.

03-22-2019, 01:39 PM

Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Not a year to go that high for a QB...Too much narrative still to be written.

This. The defense is there. The back is there. The receivers are there. Proven offensive line coaches are now there. Let's get some balance, get the talent on the line to league average and see what Cousins can do with better protection. He looked pretty bad at various points 2nd half of the season. But he had flashes of brilliance in the 1st half. If he blows up, you extend him. If he continues to falter in big moments, you draft one high in '20. Young QB still gets a year in the hopper.

If we're unable to sign a veteran to compete with Sloter then this scenario changes a bit, but I fully expect us to.

03-22-2019, 01:49 PM

I dont think the decision to go QB in the middle part of the draft is made by how they feel about Cousins, this should be dictated by how they feel about Sloter IMO... I the coaches dont think our project QB is going to pan out... they need to get a new project QB in the mix now.

03-22-2019, 01:58 PM

This is the make or break year for Captain Kirk. The OL is still a work in progress but he has to step up. He has to own his part by making some better decisions. He has to throw the ball away when necessary and get the ball out faster. If he wants a longer deal, the time is now to show what he can do. He had great stats, but he has to do more. The first half of the season was different than the second half of the season. If they somehow cobble together an average OL, it will be better. Plus he has time under his belt in the system. Hopefully the defense shows up too. But he needs to sustain the energy and not turtle up.

03-22-2019, 02:01 PM

Quote: @Vikergirl said:
This is the make or break year for Captain Kirk. The OL is still a work in progress but he has to step up. He has to own his part by making some better decisions. He has to throw the ball away when necessary and get the ball out faster. If he wants a longer deal, the time is now to show what he can do. He had great stats, but he has to do more. The first half of the season was different than the second half of the season. If they somehow cobble together an average OL, it will be better. Plus he has time under his belt in the system. Hopefully the defense shows up too. But he needs to sustain the energy and not turtle up.

Does He? New OC... likley another new system for our O.