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...and a guy who will spend half his time on the bench.
Not a fan. We already have one of the NFL's best blocking TEs in Morgan and a TE who's obviously not going to be benched very often in favor or a rookie. And to take him ahead of Ford, Risner and Bradbury? Pitchforks.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
...and a guy who will spend half his time on the bench.
Not a fan. We already have one of the NFL's best blocking TEs in Morgan and a TE who's obviously not going to be benched very often in favor or a rookie. And to take him ahead of Ford, Risner and Bradbury? Pitchforks.
If I were put in that exact decision at #18 I would be right on the line between Hockenson & Ford. I think Hockenson would have enough snaps to get your ROI in his rookie year. He gives you limitless personnel options and gives you a huge advantage in the run game paired with Morgan. Those two would simply allow you to road grade people. I also think there is value in developing a guy for post-Rudolph life since it usually take a year for TE's to adapt in the passing game.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
...and a guy who will spend half his time on the bench.
Not a fan. We already have one of the NFL's best blocking TEs in Morgan and a TE who's obviously not going to be benched very often in favor or a rookie. And to take him ahead of Ford, Risner and Bradbury? Pitchforks.
If I were put in that exact decision at #18 I would be right on the line between Hockenson & Ford. I think Hockenson would have enough snaps to get your ROI in his rookie year. He gives you limitless personnel options and gives you a huge advantage in the run game paired with Morgan. Those two would simply allow you to road grade people. I also think there is value in developing a guy for post-Rudolph life since it usually take a year for TE's to adapt in the passing game.
You then go into day 2 needing both a 3T and a couple of OL. A couple of those is then going to get pushed to the 3rd round or beyond (likely rendering him depth) all because we wanted a slightly faster Kyle Rudolph to split time with our TEs? No thanks.
Let dumb teams take TEs in the 1st round. Even the best of them have minimal impact their 1st seasons. Meanwhile the best TEs in the NFL have one thing in common (Gronk, Kelce, Reed, Ertz, Kittle): they were not 1st rounders. And in this draft especially, TEs run very deep.
I like the value of middle round guys like Warring, Knox, Sternberger, Smith, Mack much more over the cost of burning a critical middle 1st on a redundancy.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
...and a guy who will spend half his time on the bench.
Not a fan. We already have one of the NFL's best blocking TEs in Morgan and a TE who's obviously not going to be benched very often in favor or a rookie. And to take him ahead of Ford, Risner and Bradbury? Pitchforks.
If I were put in that exact decision at #18 I would be right on the line between Hockenson & Ford. I think Hockenson would have enough snaps to get your ROI in his rookie year. He gives you limitless personnel options and gives you a huge advantage in the run game paired with Morgan. Those two would simply allow you to road grade people. I also think there is value in developing a guy for post-Rudolph life since it usually take a year for TE's to adapt in the passing game.
You then go into day 2 needing both a 3T and a couple of OL. A couple of those is then going to get pushed to the 3rd round or beyond (likely rendering him depth) all because we wanted a slightly faster Kyle Rudolph to split time with our TEs? No thanks.
Let dumb teams take TEs in the 1st round. Even the best of them have minimal impact their 1st seasons. Meanwhile the best TEs in the NFL have one thing in common (Gronk, Kelce, Reed, Ertz, Kittle): they were not 1st rounders. And in this draft especially, TEs run very deep.
I like the value of middle round guys like Warring, Knox, Sternberger, Smith, Mack much more over the cost of burning a critical middle 1st on a redundancy.
I am not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I think the notion of not taking TE in the first is archaic and as the TEs become more and more athletic we will see more of them becoming bigger parts of the game plans and getting drafted higher on average....the same used to be said about Offensive Guards but how many went in the first round last year?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
...and a guy who will spend half his time on the bench.
Not a fan. We already have one of the NFL's best blocking TEs in Morgan and a TE who's obviously not going to be benched very often in favor or a rookie. And to take him ahead of Ford, Risner and Bradbury? Pitchforks.
If I were put in that exact decision at #18 I would be right on the line between Hockenson & Ford. I think Hockenson would have enough snaps to get your ROI in his rookie year. He gives you limitless personnel options and gives you a huge advantage in the run game paired with Morgan. Those two would simply allow you to road grade people. I also think there is value in developing a guy for post-Rudolph life since it usually take a year for TE's to adapt in the passing game.
You then go into day 2 needing both a 3T and a couple of OL. A couple of those is then going to get pushed to the 3rd round or beyond (likely rendering him depth) all because we wanted a slightly faster Kyle Rudolph to split time with our TEs? No thanks.
Let dumb teams take TEs in the 1st round. Even the best of them have minimal impact their 1st seasons. Meanwhile the best TEs in the NFL have one thing in common (Gronk, Kelce, Reed, Ertz, Kittle): they were not 1st rounders. And in this draft especially, TEs run very deep.
I like the value of middle round guys like Warring, Knox, Sternberger, Smith, Mack much more over the cost of burning a critical middle 1st on a redundancy.
I am not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I think the notion of not taking TE in the first is archaic and as the TEs become more and more athletic we will see more of them becoming bigger parts of the game plans and getting drafted higher on average....the same used to be said about Offensive Guards but how many went in the first round last year?
Is it? Name a TE drafted in the 1st round in the last, say, 30 years who has had a big impact his rookie season. Don't bother. There's been like two. Evan Engram was OK. But before that you have to go back to Jeremy Shockey. Wide receivers have to learn routes and that's hard enough. Offensive linemen have to learn blocking concepts and that's hard enough. Tight ends have to learn both, and it typically takes them a couple years to get it, and we need help right now. I'm all for best player available, but not at tight end, considering our situation. And especially not in a TE class this deep.
Guess it depends on where you think we can get a starter on OL? Can we get a future stud at TE in the 1st and then get a starter at OL G in the 2nd? Throw in help at DT in the 3rd and another OL in the 4th-7th and Id be happy. Maybe some RB help in there somewhere and we’d be good to go this year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
...and a guy who will spend half his time on the bench.
Not a fan. We already have one of the NFL's best blocking TEs in Morgan and a TE who's obviously not going to be benched very often in favor or a rookie. And to take him ahead of Ford, Risner and Bradbury? Pitchforks.
If I were put in that exact decision at #18 I would be right on the line between Hockenson & Ford. I think Hockenson would have enough snaps to get your ROI in his rookie year. He gives you limitless personnel options and gives you a huge advantage in the run game paired with Morgan. Those two would simply allow you to road grade people. I also think there is value in developing a guy for post-Rudolph life since it usually take a year for TE's to adapt in the passing game.
You then go into day 2 needing both a 3T and a couple of OL. A couple of those is then going to get pushed to the 3rd round or beyond (likely rendering him depth) all because we wanted a slightly faster Kyle Rudolph to split time with our TEs? No thanks.
Let dumb teams take TEs in the 1st round. Even the best of them have minimal impact their 1st seasons. Meanwhile the best TEs in the NFL have one thing in common (Gronk, Kelce, Reed, Ertz, Kittle): they were not 1st rounders. And in this draft especially, TEs run very deep.
I like the value of middle round guys like Warring, Knox, Sternberger, Smith, Mack much more over the cost of burning a critical middle 1st on a redundancy.
I am not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I think the notion of not taking TE in the first is archaic and as the TEs become more and more athletic we will see more of them becoming bigger parts of the game plans and getting drafted higher on average....the same used to be said about Offensive Guards but how many went in the first round last year?
Is it? Name a TE drafted in the 1st round in the last, say, 30 years who has had a big impact his rookie season. Don't bother. There's been like two. Evan Engram was OK. But before that you have to go back to Jeremy Shockey. Wide receivers have to learn routes and that's hard enough. Offensive linemen have to learn blocking concepts and that's hard enough. Tight ends have to learn both, and it typically takes them a couple years to get it, and we need help right now. I'm all for best player available, but not at tight end, considering our situation. And especially not in a TE class this deep.
The position and the players playing it are evolving and that will push the position up the draft boards. Past performance is not indicative of future results....
Maroon, is right... I love Hockenson as a player, but we have a PRESSING need at OL... and the beauty of this draft, there should be a Day 1 starter available at 18. I'd take Lindstrom, Bradbury, or Ford at 18 and not bat an eye. That would do more to help the team now than taking a TE in the first round... especially when this is a deep class at the TE position.
Yes, you need to look at taking the BPA, but there will be an OL that is BPA and addresses our most glaring need. Hopefully Spielman doesn't fuck this up, because there are a couple OL he should take in the first round.
If the Vikings don't take OL early in this Draft, then they are tone deaf and ridiculous. Enough bullshit. How long can you ignore the position>
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