OT: Jussie Smollett

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@purplefaithful said:

@suncoastvike said:
We started with Jussie and got to Jesus. I didn't see that coming.

I did... :p

Sticky is always stirring the damn pot lol!

I've been a church mouse in this thread after my benign starting of it!

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@StickyBun said:

@purplefaithful said:

@suncoastvike said:
We started with Jussie and got to Jesus. I didn't see that coming.

I did... :p

Sticky is always stirring the damn pot lol!

I've been a church mouse in this thread after my benign starting of it!

A little humility goes a long way sometimes...

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@JimmyinSD said:
If there is going to be a test when this is all said and done.... can I buy the cliff notes?

If there's a test I'm going off the cliff.

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Disturbing post, Pumpf. But I'll pray for you. :-)

"Elton John may have done alot for AIDS... but what has he done for the eternal well-being of others?  By being an open and unrepentant gay, he has "helped" doom people to eternal damnation."

Are the folks at Red Lobster going to be there? 

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@MaroonBells said:

@pumpf said:

You're post is helpful- inasmuch as it shows which passages have those words. But I'm still failing to see the connection to liberal theocracy.  Maybe I'll go read the link that Ralphie posted.
Nope.  I read it.  Didn't help.  My guess is that Maroon heard it as a talking point- and regurgitated it- without really knowing anything about it.  And now that's he's been asked about it, he actually looked it up for himself... and saw how flawed that theology was.  Hence, the silence.

First of all we need to establish the importance of caring for the poor in the Bible. For whatever reason modern American Conservatives have lost sight of that. 

There’s no denying that the poor is Jesus’ hang up, right? It’s been true for thousands of years…until modern American conservatism. It gets more ink in the Bible than anything else. Measure it. Nothing even comes close. Not prayer, not salvation, not forgiveness, not judgement, not evangelism, not family…He even goes so far to suggest that caring for the poor, or ignoring to do so, is ignoring HIM. 


No disagreement so far, right? So what gives? That brings us to Matthew. Why don’t we just put it here verbatim so there’s no confusion….


When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

After reading this, how do you think nations should treat the world’s poor? As you know, “panta ta ethne,” mean’s “all the nations.” And so who is being gathered and called to judgement there? “Nations” isn’t just “you’z guys.” It’s “peoples,” ethnos, ethnicities…implying nations, divisions, implying leadership among those divisions. I don’t know why conservatives think that this judgement was meant only for individuals and not leaders of people...kings, masters of servants. As if God’s judgement suggests “everyone in positions of leadership cover your ears. I’m not talking to you, only your servants.” REALLY? Especially when you consider what King Solomon says in the Psalms. 

Gonna be short and sweet with this.  As mentioned above, the go and baptize all nations is about spreading the good news.  The judgement mentioned in your verses refers to our personal judgment.  What did YOU do?  Not what did you force others to do, not what you gave to some bureaucrat to do whatever with, what did you do?
Yes kings and leaders are also going to be judged on what they did.  But that is not our business in regards to our souls.  So how you treat others (not just the poor but also those you disagree with) is how you will be judged.  As you have measured, so it will be measured unto you.  We should vote for leaders that represent this ideal as well.  Those that will be concerned for the the protection of the poor and unwanted, the most vulnerable.  Yes life has value no matter if that life is deemed valuable by the world.

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@MaroonBells said:
Disturbing post, Pumpf. But I'll pray for you. :-)

"Elton John may have done alot for AIDS... but what has he done for the eternal well-being of others?  By being an open and unrepentant gay, he has "helped" doom people to eternal damnation."

Are the folks at Red Lobster going to be there? 

What is so disturbing?  The fact that eternal life matters more than the brief time we spend here on earth?  Do you even believe in a Hell?

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Just become an atheist or agnostic and live by the golden rule.  It's a hell of a lot easier than trying to bend the words of a 2000 year old book this way or that way to fit your beliefs.  

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@pumpf said:

@MaroonBells said:
Disturbing post, Pumpf. But I'll pray for you. :-)

"Elton John may have done alot for AIDS... but what has he done for the eternal well-being of others?  By being an open and unrepentant gay, he has "helped" doom people to eternal damnation."

Are the folks at Red Lobster going to be there? 

What is so disturbing?  The fact that eternal life matters more than the brief time we spend here on earth?  Do you even believe in a Hell?

I do. Gotta be some place special for men like this....

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@SFVikingFan said:
Just become an atheist or agnostic and live by the golden rule.  It's a hell of a lot easier than trying to bend the words of a 2000 year old book this way or that way to fit your beliefs.  

wonder where that "golden rule" came from?

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@greediron said:

@SFVikingFan said:
Just become an atheist or agnostic and live by the golden rule.  It's a hell of a lot easier than trying to bend the words of a 2000 year old book this way or that way to fit your beliefs.  

wonder where that "golden rule" came from?

Well it dates back to at least early Confucian times (~500 BC).