I think there’s two parts to this. People faking hate crimes and the media not
doing its job / being propaganda;
I think there will always be hate crime hoaxes. There’s always been women who cry rape, there
will always be people who want to get attention for being the victim, want to
avoid some issue that they have with a distraction, people who want to get
support for some anti-hate initiative they need an enemy for but can’t wait for
a real one. I also believe in false flag
operations. Some of these are just so
dumb though and so hard to believe any real hate filled person would do. “Hi, I love Donald Trump, the Republicans, and
hate minorities, prepare to die.”
The thing I think is more revealing is the media’s
willingness to jump on any story and even more so on anything that can be spun
as anti-Trump. At best, it’s a whole
bunch of fake news because they aren’t willing to put any amount of effort into
investigating their stories. At worst,
it looks like their actively trying to twist things out of context to make
Trump look bad. I think we’re at the
point that almost all media outlets can’t be trusted at all on the day of an
incident. You just have to assume it’s
all crap, and wait it out a couple days for the truth to rise to the top.
Quote: @greediron said:
There should be warning labels for this. Liberal Media, do not run with intersectionality. They didn't listen and have skewered themselves bad in the Smollett and Covington cases.
The reason the drive-bye media and pols like Booker, Waters, Harris, et al fall for this is simple. They want to believe it. Their whole public service career has been based on all the "isms" and propagates a culture of victimization. "You can't succeed without us looking out for you because of (fill in the blank of the current '-ism')."
Any incident that can validate it ensures viewers, votes and their job.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
I saw your list of 19. Half of them were pranks, which I wouldn't consider the same thing. So out of the more than 13,000 recorded incidents in the US in last two years, sounds like a handful are fake. But yeah, let's focus on THAT and not the hate crimes that outnumber the fakes 1300 to 1.
Poor Robert Byrd. He gets name dropped by more Republicans than Ayn Rand. Yes, Byrd was a racist. There was also a supreme court justice in the Klan. There were rumors Warren Harding was. I don' know why Byrd remained with the Dems after the Civil Rights Act and the Southern Strategy turned all of his friends into Republicans. I suspect out of party loyalty.
I don't know if Trump is a racist. I don't know him personally and I can't see what's in his heart. But he does know that white nationalists everywhere absolutely adore him. And instead of discouraging that, he prods it.
I'd like to know where you got your figures- because I genuinely am interested in finding out how many "real" attacks (however they are defined) have taken place recently.
On a side note, I thought I read somewhere that that Smollet was told that a couple of white guys had been brought in for questioning... and he was eager to help in their prosecution. But when the 2 Nigerians were brought in, he suddenly became uncooperative. If this story is true (not sure it is- because I don't know where I read it), it would mean that he was perfectly willing to go along with a prosecution that he KNEW was wrong... all because it helped further his "cause". To me (if true) that is the worst part of all of this: that someone would be willing to let innocent people suffer (and possibly go to jail and have their lives "ruined") all for the sake of making a point.
EDIT: does the 13,000 recorded incidents include those done by one "group" vs. another... or is it the sum total of all attacks? I'm just wondering if attacks like THIS (below) are part of the 13,000...
https://www.thecollegefitwitter.com/vide...-berkeley/
What a $&()*%^$!! idiot. Whatever criminal charges Smollett ends up facing from this, he should get the maximum just for how much harder his dumbass hoax made it for real victims to be believed.
What's disturbing to me in this "new age" of enlightenment, is the fallacy ( accepted as FACT) that "racist = white hates dark"
I grew up in the Bronx. White/Black/Hispanic/Asian/Catholic/Jewish/Protestant/Buddhist. It was a very diverse area.
I KNOW from first hand experience that racial/ethnic/religious bias exists EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET.
Racism is certainly is not an invention of White Americans, and as a "whitey", the son of Irish (LEGAL) immigrants who came here as teenagers in 1949 (father) and 1953 (mother), I can state from ACTUAL experience, ALL races, creeds, colors have "racists".Pop gained citizen
ship by serving 2 years in the Army, Mom by going through a lengthy process that finally ended in 1975.
I am offended by not only this horseshit "white privilege" crap, but also this country's obsession with the British "Royal" family, aka the richest welfare recipients in the history of the world. American's are sooooo quick to sympathize with the Black community, but turn a blind eye to the horrific human rights history of "great" Britain...as recently as the 1900's. Wanna know who created "Concentration Camps"? The British during the Boer War.
But back on topic....This jackass will get off with a slap on the wrist and be lauded as yet another "social justice warrior". Is that fair? Of course not. But life ain't fair. If it were, both Bud Grant and Marv Levy would have at least 1 SB championship and Barry Switzer and Jon Gruden would have NONE.
Not that I want to wade in these waters. However hate does exist. There's no need to manufacture it. What this guy did was diminish the real hate. So that said. I've never been a supporter of "hate crime" laws. They reclassify already existing anger. To what point? Two guys get into a fight. They happen to be of different ethnicity. In heat words are exchanged. That can get reclassified. Oh there was hate going on but most fights do. So what's the point. If someone shoots up a church or temple it's mass murder. Reclassification only gives credit to the hate. We have issues in this country. The media on both sides fuel it. Conservative media funnels every rape/murder by illegals to their front page. Tell their local affiliates, send us all your stories like this. Every cop killed every rape...ect. The liberal media does the same. Send us every cop beating. Every video of what appears to be an unwarranted shooting. We will run our agenda.
It's why I've never been less "informed" in my life. It's why I never turn on the news. It's why I can't get past the titles and actually read any of these articles. The less I'm " informed" the better I feel and probably better for it.
This guy just handed a huge weapon to one side. That's not what's important here. The reasons both sides of the media work so hard to find these "credible" stories is the real news here.
How about the inequality of the allegations? If a minority gang jumps a white person it's a mugging, robbery, or rape what ever, but if it's a white gang on a minority...hate crime.
How about we strip back the bull shit and get the race allegations out of common everyday matters and try to get on with healing this fractured country?
As far as this piece of shit...his crime is the definition of racially motivated crime and should receive a more severe punishment than simply filing a false police report.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I saw your list of 19. Half of them were pranks, which I wouldn't consider the same thing. So out of the more than 13,000 recorded incidents in the US in last two years, sounds like a handful are fake. But yeah, let's focus on THAT and not the hate crimes that outnumber the fakes 1300 to 1.
Poor Robert Byrd. He gets name dropped by more Republicans than Ayn Rand. Yes, Byrd was a racist. There was also a supreme court justice in the Klan. There were rumors Warren Harding was. I don' know why Byrd remained with the Dems after the Civil Rights Act and the Southern Strategy turned all of his friends into Republicans. I suspect out of party loyalty.
I don't know if Trump is a racist. I don't know him personally and I can't see what's in his heart. But he does know that white nationalists everywhere absolutely adore him. And instead of discouraging that, he prods it.
I'd like to know where you got your figures- because I genuinely am interested in finding out how many "real" attacks (however they are defined) have taken place recently.
The numbers are from the FBI. You can Google it yourself. 6,000 some in 2016 and 7,000 some in 2017. I don't know what they include, but the FBI warns these are just the cases that were reported. As with sexual assaults, I would imagine many, if not most, go unreported.
Quote: @Purple Haze said:
@ SFVikingFan said:
@ kahsmick said:
This is just another in a long run of recent staged Hate Crimes. Ever since they formed the KKK, Racism has been a successful wedge issue for Democrats to gain influence, power and control.
They arent just going to give up on trying to intimidate, and deceive the public just because normal people are ending these phony tropes with goodwill, jobs and common sense.
He will now be elevated to sainthood by The Left for Bravery and Feels - as is tradition.
Covington Kids are suing WaPo for $250 million for having their lives, school and reputations wrecked over absolutely nothing too.
Fake News Kills
Jesus, right-wing conspiracy much?
It may not be as much of a conspiracy as you think. Since Nov of 2016 there have been at least 19 fake hate crimes reported and investigated. The purpose of these crimes were to show how racist america has become under Trump. The thing is, up until Trump won the White House I cannot remember ANYTHING ever being reported about him being the racist homophobe that he is made out to be. This latest case is a perfect example of the conspiracy possibility. What was the most powerful part of this story as it was reported. "This is MAGA Country". He wanted people to believe is was a racist,redneck Trump supporter (because that is who ALL Trump supporters are you know) to make his attack more believable. He also could have pulled it off if this attack were to have taken place in say Texas or somewhere in the south. But he wanted everyone to believe it was MAGA rednecks that did it in Chicago where %83 of the people in Chicago voted for Hillary and have a super liberal mayor. The ward the attack took place voted 79% for Hillary. The wards surrounding the area voted 80%-93% Hillary. Not much room for MAGA country there. Is this a right wing consiracy ? Probobly not, but its hard to not think about it when you look back at past republican candidates and see how the democrats first line of attack is the politics of personal destruction. it doesnt matter if Trump never muttered a racist word before becoming president because social media and the looney left are making sure he is now the biggest racist to ever serve this country and our elected democrats sit back and reap the benefits of the phony accusations. Don't believe it, answer me this. How many democrats condemned and asked for the resignation of Robert Byrd from the U.S. Senate. Byrd was the Exulted Cyclops of the local KKK chapter in WV. This is one of his letters he wrote.
In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:
Quote:I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
This is a man who served in the U.S. Senate for 51 years until he died there. Not only did democrats re elect him over and over and over again, they pushed him around the capitol grounds in his wheel chair to meetings and hearings. If the democrats were really the champions of ridding the world of racism the Byrd would have been kicked out of the Senate decades ago.
I don't need to defend anyone or anything that I am not a part of nor responsible for. It's one of the nice perks of being an independent. Having said that, I did look into your accusation to see if it was at least a valid point but it looks like you forgot to mention that Byrd had quite the change of heart beginning, oh, 40 to 50 years ago. Not sure how many avowed racists would be praised by the NAACP upon their death. Again, I have no ties to Mr. Byrd and really don't give two shits about him, but it seems that your post told less than the whole story.
Wikipedia:
Byrd initially compiled a mixed record on the subjects of race relations and desegregation.[60] While he initially voted against civil rights legislation, in 1959 he hired one of the Capitol's first black congressional aides, and he also took steps to integrate the United States Capitol Police for the first time since Reconstruction.[61] Beginning in the 1970s, Byrd explicitly renounced his earlier views favoring racial segregation.[20][62] Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964[63] and would change it if he had the opportunity. Byrd also said that his views changed dramatically after his teenage grandson was killed in a 1982 traffic accident, which put him in a deep emotional valley. "The death of my grandson caused me to stop and think," said Byrd, adding he came to realize that African-Americans love their children as much as he does his.[64] During debate in 1983 over the passage of the law creating the Martin Luther King Jr. Day holiday, Byrd grasped the symbolism of the day and its significance to his legacy, telling members of his staff "I'm the only one in the Senate who must vote for this bill".[61]
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For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)[70] rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the NAACP's position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."[71] Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".
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