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5. I think this was a thought-provoking message, conveyed to me
over the weekend by a current NFL coach after it looked like all eight coaching
vacancies had been filled—while only one GM in the league got fired. (Oakland’s
Reggie McKenzie was replaced by Mike Mayock. I don’t count Baltimore, because
Ozzie Newsome’s departure was a clear retirement.) “Eight coaches fired, and
the same GMs who failed—I think in all eight jobs—hired the new coaches. Where
is the accountability for the GMs? Do they save their jobs because they’re
close with the owner and the owner is siding with the GM instead of the coach?
It seems ridiculous to me that in eight jobs, all the fault goes to the coaches
and none to the GMs. Explain that.” I can’t.
Me neither, Peter. Me neither.
Oh, another little FACT that I stumbled upon : Did you know that the current 13 season stretch of Playoff Win futility is unmatched in the HISTORY of the Vikings franchise? It's true......there has NEVER been such a prolonged stretch with such playoff incompetence. NEVER. SMH.
But I'M the crazy one for not blindly trusting the "genius" responsible for this extended run of futility to fix everything in ONE off-season. Too funny.
OK kiddies, let the personal attacks begin. I know you won't even TRY to dispute the aforementioned facts, because, well, you CAN'T. It isn't cherry-picked, it isn't twisted in any fashion whatsoever. As Parcell's famously stated : "You ARE what you're RECORD says you are". True dat, Bill. True dat.
I think its a very credible question. The players the coaches are given and how many injuries that a team has in any particular year are WAY more influential in the outcome of wins and losses than actual coaching in most cases. The GM should be held much more accountable than they are. And in defense of both a GM and HC, a damn slew of injuries above what is normal can undermine a talented and well coached team.
The buck seems to stop with the head coach: and I do think the reason a GM isn't under the same kind of scrutiny is because they have a closer relationship with ownership.
It used to be pretty common for GM and HC to depart simultaneously, so this is an interesting change. IMO it is a scapegoating mentality, in which a HC is just the last resort for a GM to place blame after first cutting a few kickers, blaming injuries, firing coordinators, etc....
So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL. Wow.
GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players. GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain. And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year? Cleveland. Tampa perhaps?
Quote: @greediron said:
So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL. Wow.
GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players. GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain. And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year? Cleveland. Tampa perhaps?
I didn't read it like that at all - IMO the article says that the "blameless GM" phenomenon which has benefitted Spielman is actually widespread and helping other GMs around the league. Never heard any suggestion that Spielman has reach beyond the Vikings.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ greediron said:
So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL. Wow.
GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players. GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain. And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year? Cleveland. Tampa perhaps?
I didn't read it like that at all - IMO the article says that the "blameless GM" phenomenon which has benefitted Spielman is actually widespread and helping other GMs around the league. Never heard any suggestion that Spielman has reach beyond the Vikings.
it was just a touch of sarcasm.
Quote: @greediron said:
So it isn't evil Rick and his master plan to ruin the Vikings... It is evil Rick and his plan to ruin the NFL. Wow.
GMs hire the coaches and work with the coaches to get the players. GMs likely have a bit of a longer leash than the coaches because they are higher up the food chain. And to be fair, didn't several GMs change last year? Cleveland. Tampa perhaps?
THAT was your conclusion from reading this? REALLY?
I'm going to pay you the compliment (no matter how undeserved) of assuming that you are really not that STUPID, and you're just intentionally being obtuse/naive.
First, these were the observations of a current NFL coach and Peter King (a well respected NFL journalist for, oh, maybe 4 DECADES!). I defy you to identify where anything implies a master plan by L'il Ricky! What a crock of shit observation! First off, he's already PROVEN of being incapable of ANY MASTER PLAN other than to oversee the worst stretch of playoff impotence in VIKINGS HISTORY (sorry for the use of the term "impotence"...I have no doubt that strikes home for you). He is woefully ill-equipped to initate a plan against the NFL! The fact that you even posted that asinine drivel isn't even funny, it's flat out pathetic!
Second, you conveniently have NO smarmy ass retort to Saint Richard's Error (sorry, "era") of Playoff Impotence (dangit, sorry, I did it again!).
No surprise there...,.because there is NO "excuse" or "explanation" for such a lengthy stretch of playoff WINLESS-NESS (not a current word, patent pending. I'm thinking Schpielmillenia, but nothing is finalized yet)
It has NEVER been achieved before in Minnesota Vikings HISTORY! FACT.
Oh, one other log on the fire, Schpielman was running the personnel show for the ABSOLUTE WORST VIKINGS SEASON EVER. (3-13 ring any bells?)
BTW, this will be the last time I will afford you the opportunity of being intentionally naive. If you continue to defend (and EMBRACE) 2 for 13, then you are, in fact, just stupid. Sorry for the bad news.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I think its a very credible question. The players the coaches are given and how many injuries that a team has in any particular year are WAY more influential in the outcome of wins and losses than actual coaching in most cases. The GM should be held much more accountable than they are. And in defense of both a GM and HC, a damn slew of injuries above what is normal can undermine a talented and well coached team.
The buck seems to stop with the head coach: and I do think the reason a GM isn't under the same kind of scrutiny is because they have a closer relationship with ownership.
Valid points about injuries, but we're not talking about (with Ricky, at least) a 2-3 year period. We're talking about a 13 year period. That's enough time for a couple to meet, get married and now have a middle school aged child. That's a LOOOOOONG time. The injury thang just don't mask 13 seasons of playoff ineptitude.
It's because teams make so much money by following media trends that the games are a charade.
Quote: @BlackMagic7 said:
It's because teams make so much money by following media trends that the games are a charade.
Not sure what you're saying here. The owners and league are somehow fixing the games?
Sorry if I am mis-interpreting your post. Just don't understand what you're implying.
Peace.
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