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You need to lay off the sauce Savannah. Mueller had nothing to do with Don Jr. accepting an invitation to meet with the Russians, nor did Mueller have anything to do with the fact Trump continues to change his story. Look at Trump's pattern of behavior: "No Russians, no deals, no meetings" to "OK met with Russians about adoptions" "OK not about adoptions it was to get dirt on Hillary" to "OK but collusion is not illegal".
Same thing with Trump's changing story about the payoffs. Deny it all first, attack the media when the truth comes out, change your story to fit what comes out, then finally admit to doing it but insist it's not illegal. "Don't know her" to "OK I know her, but know nothing about payments, ask my lawyer" to "OK I know her, know about payments from my lawyer, but it wasn't illegal and it was a simple transaction".
You know what we call people who keep changing their stories Savannah? Guilty fucking liars who can't get their "truth" straight.
And let's not even start with the relentless attacks on the media and FBI the whole time, it is the most disgusting assault on the fabric of what America is trying to convince reasonable people that the media is corrupt, the FBI is corrupt, the NSA is corrupt, the judges are corrupt ... but the asshole who can't stop lying and cheating in his personal & professional life is somehow the ONLY one not corrupt in all this? You're too brainwashed to see what it is - at every stage of this "new" truth by Trump he ridiculed and slammed the media and our intelligence agencies for being accurate while Trump continued to insist this version of the changing story that THIS TIME I'M TELLING THE TRUTH.
A hit piece on Comey changes nothing. He's been ousted for not de-railing an investigation into an attack on our democracy the person sworn to uphold it. Flynn is a piece of shit. My brother is military and has a Top Secret security clearance. You know what they tell 19 year old privates with a Top secret security clearance? ANY contact with a hostile nation must be immediately reported to your SO. DO NOT ever lie about your contacts. Flynn was the head of the NSA for crying out loud - let's not act like he needed legal representation to understand that lying about contacts with Russians is a huge no-no.
We are witnessing history. Sooner or later you're going to need to come around to reality that Trump and all of his organizations are rotten to the core. You don't need any evidence from Mueller or Comey to see what's clear as day - just reading Trump's own Twitter feed and use some fucking common sense: do innocent people act & talk this way?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
First of all, people called Bush a "murderer". That's hardly a "policy" debate.
As for being angry, I would probably be thrilled to join with you in your criticisms of Trump- if not for the obvious, blatant bias against EVERYTHING that the guy does. In those times when he's done THE EXACT SAME THING AS OBAMA, "you guys" jump all over Trump, yet gave Obama a complete pass- and sometimes even praised him for it. THAT'S what has driven me to (at times) defend Trump (although I think you'd have to look hard to find much praise of him from me). If "the Left" was even REMOTELY intellectually honest in their criticisms, I could easily join with them. But since the vast majority of their criticisms are borne out tribal cult-like unity, I cannot join them. They aren't honest- even if they are (at times) correct.
PS: John McCain was NEVER a staunch conservative.
Oh come on, that's a ridiculous generalization and you know it. I never once called Bush a "murderer," nor do I know anyone who has. Can't think of a single member of congress who did either. So all you're doing is drawing an extreme, caricatured position and arguing against it. It would be like me bringing in the hundreds of racists signs used at Tea Party rallies to characterize your views toward Obama.
Think about the language you use. "The left" this, "the left" that. I think you're listening to too much AM radio.
You mention Trump doing the "same thing" as Obama. I've heard this quite a lot actually. I'm curious what you mean by that, because every single time I see someone say that (typically among my conservative family members on Facebook), you look into the issue and discover that there are key, fundamental differences in the policy that they're just ignoring to make a point.
Hopefully I'll have time to get back to this later. Not sure if it'll make any difference...
But since you asked, here's a whole book devoted to Bush being called a "murderer".
https://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-Georg...159315481X
Wow, a whole book. And so because Vincent Bugliosi thought the Iraq war was a criminal action, and you deem that opinion to be partisan nonsense, it follows, then, that every criticism of Very Stable Genius is also partisan nonsense. My goodness, Pumpf, that's such a ridiculous stretch you better sit down before you pull something :-)
See? This is the problem with trying to have a rational discussion with you (when it comes to politics). You assert that you don't know anyone who called Bush a murderer; I know for a fact that many liberals did (but didn't take the time to cite the all), and offer an actual book with that very same assertion... and you blow it off. Tell me, why should I even try to have a discussion with you when you ask for "proof" of something, get it... and then blow it off? How am I supposed to think that we're capable of having an intelligent discussion about ANY topic, if you are going to reject any comment that goes against your already held beliefs? That's why these discussions are pointless. It's not just that people refuse to even try to be reasonable; it's that they are unwilling to admit that it's NEVER about the actions / policies. It's ALWAYS about WHO is the one doing them.
I don't use whataboutism when it comes to Trump, because I have no interest in trying to defend his personality or past. But it is VERY telling to me that character only matters when Republicans are the ones lacking in it. Same thing applies to crimes they commit and stupid things they say. When liberals politicians do any of the same things, there is nary a word said about it. And, yes: I could cite multiple examples of Obama doing things that liberals have criticized Trump for. But, as you have already proven: what's the point? You won't admit it. You'll blow it off... or find some loophole to "prove" how Obama's actions were justified, while Trumps were criminal. So, as I should've done in the first place, I'm going to let you guys have your echo chamber. Enjoy.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
First of all, people called Bush a "murderer". That's hardly a "policy" debate.
As for being angry, I would probably be thrilled to join with you in your criticisms of Trump- if not for the obvious, blatant bias against EVERYTHING that the guy does. In those times when he's done THE EXACT SAME THING AS OBAMA, "you guys" jump all over Trump, yet gave Obama a complete pass- and sometimes even praised him for it. THAT'S what has driven me to (at times) defend Trump (although I think you'd have to look hard to find much praise of him from me). If "the Left" was even REMOTELY intellectually honest in their criticisms, I could easily join with them. But since the vast majority of their criticisms are borne out tribal cult-like unity, I cannot join them. They aren't honest- even if they are (at times) correct.
PS: John McCain was NEVER a staunch conservative.
Oh come on, that's a ridiculous generalization and you know it. I never once called Bush a "murderer," nor do I know anyone who has. Can't think of a single member of congress who did either. So all you're doing is drawing an extreme, caricatured position and arguing against it. It would be like me bringing in the hundreds of racists signs used at Tea Party rallies to characterize your views toward Obama.
Think about the language you use. "The left" this, "the left" that. I think you're listening to too much AM radio.
You mention Trump doing the "same thing" as Obama. I've heard this quite a lot actually. I'm curious what you mean by that, because every single time I see someone say that (typically among my conservative family members on Facebook), you look into the issue and discover that there are key, fundamental differences in the policy that they're just ignoring to make a point.
Hopefully I'll have time to get back to this later. Not sure if it'll make any difference...
But since you asked, here's a whole book devoted to Bush being called a "murderer".
https://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-George-W-Bush-Murder/dp/159315481X
Wow, a whole book. And so because Vincent Bugliosi thought the Iraq war was a criminal action, and you deem that opinion to be partisan nonsense, it follows, then, that every criticism of Very Stable Genius is also partisan nonsense. My goodness, Pumpf, that's such a ridiculous stretch you better sit down before you pull something :-)
See? This is the problem with trying to have a rational discussion with you (when it comes to politics). You assert that you don't know anyone who called Bush a murderer; I know for a fact that many liberals did (but didn't take the time to cite the all), and offer an actual book with that very same assertion... and you blow it off. Tell me, why should I even try to have a discussion with you when you ask for "proof" of something, get it... and then blow it off? How am I supposed to think that we're capable of having an intelligent discussion about ANY topic, if you are going to reject any comment that goes against your already held beliefs? That's why these discussions are pointless. It's not just that people refuse to even try to be reasonable; it's that they are unwilling to admit that it's NEVER about the actions / policies. It's ALWAYS about WHO is the one doing them.
I don't use whataboutism when it comes to Trump, because I have no interest in trying to defend his personality or past. But it is VERY telling to me that character only matters when Republicans are the ones lacking in it. Same thing applies to crimes they commit and stupid things they say. When liberals politicians do any of the same things, there is nary a word said about it. And, yes: I could cite multiple examples of Obama doing things that liberals have criticized Trump for. But, as you have already proven: what's the point? You won't admit it. You'll blow it off... or find some loophole to "prove" how Obama's actions were justified, while Trumps were criminal. So, as I should've done in the first place, I'm going to let you guys have your echo chamber. Enjoy.
James Comey has a message for you...
Judge appointed by Reagan and Bush who also was championed by the right for his judication of IRS auditing of political organizations just raised the specter of "treason" against Flynn. In other news today, the Trump foundation has filed to dissolve facing investigations and legal troubles.
“You were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States!” Sullivan fumed. “Arguably, this undermines everything this flag over here stands for! Arguably, you sold your country out!”
Deep state conspiracy in 3.....2....1.....
And now sentencing has been delayed. It appears that Flynn is deciding to give more info as sentencing looks to have been heading towards an upward departure from the guidelines. Remember the judge was privy to the un-redacted info and he was the one that was using the term "Sold out your country"
Oh boy, Trump Foundation now dissolved after NY state investigation finds rampant corruption and fraud. Trump University proven fraud, had to pay $25 million fine.
Wait until they find that missing $42 million from the Trump Inauguration. Trump spent $107 million for an inauguration that hosted only THREE gala balls to Obama's 10 gala balls in 2013, with blockbuster names like 3 Doors Down and Toby Keith as headliners, Trump's parties using many of the same venues for a quarter of the amount of people and yet Obama's 2013 inauguration cost was $40 million with Beyonce, Kelly Clarkson, James Taylor. Rick Gates has already admitted to fraud involved with Trump Inauguration, submitting personal expenses that were reimbursed by it. Wait til they find out how much Trump and his kids were reimbursed.
Oh wait, but Savannah insists there's nothing to see - yet now we have the Trump Foundation dissolving and the Inauguration under investigation for missing $42 million. I can hardly keep up with the all the corruption and investigations! Which means now the Trump campaign, Trump Transition team, Trump Foundation, Trump Inauguration, Trump administration and the Trump Organization are ALL under investigation ... dear God you can't make this shit up. But nope, definitely no smoke .... say how exactly do they organize the deck chairs on the Titanic anyway?
At some point we are going to have to get to the heart of the matter as to why a man who was a foreign agent working on the behalf of Russians and the Turks was named as our friggen National Security Advisor.
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I can't wait till the golden showers hoax is real.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
I can't wait till the golden showers hoax is real.
Only rumors thus far but apparently that isn't going to be the "ewwww" factor involved with it.
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