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Zimmer has taken this team as far as it will go. His philosophy has become old, stale, and figured out by the rest of the league. His teams no longer scare people. His teams are no longer respected by the league. When teams go for it on 4th and 1, it tells me they have no respect or fear of Zimmer's team.
He has fallen into the mindset of Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier. What does not work this week, implement it into next week's game plan. Zimmer's team never run up the score or punish opponents. Instead of keep scoring, he goes into a soft conservative offense and it's worse with the defense who allow teams to score garbage points at the end of games to "eat the clock" If Thielen does not recover the onside kick, the Vikings will lose to the Packers. Up by 10 and it takes n onside kick recovery to win the game? Madness!
If the Vikings do make the playoffs this year, it will be merely an extension of prolonging the inevitable one more week.
I'm not going to dismiss your statements. You have valid points and I agree with much of it. I still believe Mike is a good coach but don't believe he understands where the NFL wants the game to go. The league is wanting more Fantasy less football. To win now you need explosive offenses and bend don't break defense. The defensive side of our team fits. The offensive side is lacking. Even with the weapons at hand. This Oline we knew could well sink us going into the season. Well it has. It has dictated what we can do. Maybe Kevin can game plan around this poor protection. He did work with Pat last year. Flip did not he had to learn for himself. He didn't get it. Now he's out. Maybe Kevin can revive some of what was working. If so he and Mike get to work together next year. If they don't fix this line we will never have the team the NFL wants.
I'll say this: if Minnesota's offense still looks like hot dog shit for the remainder of the year, its going to look very bad for Zimmer. He's fired 2 OCs during the season now. He'll be firmly on the hot seat for 2019.
What a difference a year can make.
Pressure to win will be 2x next season.
Quote: @vikingknights said:
Zimmer has taken this team as far as it will go. His philosophy has become old, stale, and figured out by the rest of the league. His teams no longer scare people. His teams are no longer respected by the league. When teams go for it on 4th and 1, it tells me they have no respect or fear of Zimmer's team.
He has fallen into the mindset of Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier. What does not work this week, implement it into next week's game plan. Zimmer's team never run up the score or punish opponents. Instead of keep scoring, he goes into a soft conservative offense and it's worse with the defense who allow teams to score garbage points at the end of games to "eat the clock" If Thielen does not recover the onside kick, the Vikings will lose to the Packers. Up by 10 and it takes n onside kick recovery to win the game? Madness!
If the Vikings do make the playoffs this year, it will be merely an extension of prolonging the inevitable one more week.
So what is your solution? Hire one of the upcoming offensive geniuses like Deflippo to take over the team?
Give me every one of Zimmer's years over the train wreck we've had basically since Denny Green left. At least back in Denny's days we had one dominate side of the ball. Zimmer will get this team righted.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I'll say this: if Minnesota's offense still looks like hot dog shit for the remainder of the year, its going to look very bad for Zimmer. He's fired 2 OCs during the season now. He'll be firmly on the hot seat for 2019.
What a difference a year can make.
Didn't Norm resign? I heard nothing that led me to believe that Zimmer forced Norm out.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ StickyBun said:
I'll say this: if Minnesota's offense still looks like hot dog shit for the remainder of the year, its going to look very bad for Zimmer. He's fired 2 OCs during the season now. He'll be firmly on the hot seat for 2019.
What a difference a year can make.
Didn't Norm resign? I heard nothing that led me to believe that Zimmer forced Norm out.
yes he quit, but there is/was plenty of scuttle that would suggest that he was getting heat about his offense and that they wanted shurmer taking over play calling... but it was for the better so I dont understand why that even comes up now?
I think the things that Vikings fans should be hanging onto with Zimmer is that he is willing to do what is necessary to improve his team at any time. this blaming the offensive issues on a defensive HC is absurd IMO as long as he isnt sitting back and waiting for something to change.. there are very few HC that are fully engaged in both aspects of their team and are hands on... most seem to take control of one side of the ball and hand off the other side to a trusted coordinator... especially newer coaches. I see a lot of head scratching takes that try to put blame on Zimmer, the only thing Zimmer did wrong this year offensively was to hire flipper, who was a consensus top pick, he saw the error of the pick and has corrected that mistake. onto next week IMO.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ vikingknights said:
Zimmer has taken this team as far as it will go. His philosophy has become old, stale, and figured out by the rest of the league. His teams no longer scare people. His teams are no longer respected by the league. When teams go for it on 4th and 1, it tells me they have no respect or fear of Zimmer's team.
He has fallen into the mindset of Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier. What does not work this week, implement it into next week's game plan. Zimmer's team never run up the score or punish opponents. Instead of keep scoring, he goes into a soft conservative offense and it's worse with the defense who allow teams to score garbage points at the end of games to "eat the clock" If Thielen does not recover the onside kick, the Vikings will lose to the Packers. Up by 10 and it takes n onside kick recovery to win the game? Madness!
If the Vikings do make the playoffs this year, it will be merely an extension of prolonging the inevitable one more week.
So what is your solution? Hire one of the upcoming offensive geniuses like Deflippo to take over the team?
Give me every one of Zimmer's years over the train wreck we've had basically since Denny Green left. At least back in Denny's days we had one dominate side of the ball. Zimmer will get this team righted.
Exactly. Zimmer is a great coach. In his first four years, he's won the division twice (the Vikings had previously only won the division two times total since the 2001 season). He's done this with about as much turmoil and uncertainty at the QB/RB/OL positions as you could possibly have. We went from Rodgers toying with our defense and getting our asses kicked by GB every year to having a 5-1-1 record against them since 2016, including winning the division in Lambeau.
He's completely turned the defense around from the worst in the NFL to one of the best. Top QBs like Brees, Wilson, Rodgers, etc. now struggle to throw for 200 yards (or sometimes even 100 yards) against us. We have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL from top to bottom.
There was a lot of change and turnover this year (new QB, new OC, Sporano passing, etc.) and we are still in control of our destiny for the playoffs with 3 weeks to go. I guess if that classifies as a disaster that should cause him to be fired, some of you have pretty short memories of what shitty coaches actually look like.
The Vikings completely knee-jerked and fired Denny after his first losing season in a decade with the team (WTF were they thinking??!!!!!) and it took the team 14 years to recover and be consistently successful again. I would prefer not to go down that path again anytime soon.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ vikingknights said:
Zimmer has taken this team as far as it will go. His philosophy has become old, stale, and figured out by the rest of the league. His teams no longer scare people. His teams are no longer respected by the league. When teams go for it on 4th and 1, it tells me they have no respect or fear of Zimmer's team.
He has fallen into the mindset of Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier. What does not work this week, implement it into next week's game plan. Zimmer's team never run up the score or punish opponents. Instead of keep scoring, he goes into a soft conservative offense and it's worse with the defense who allow teams to score garbage points at the end of games to "eat the clock" If Thielen does not recover the onside kick, the Vikings will lose to the Packers. Up by 10 and it takes n onside kick recovery to win the game? Madness!
If the Vikings do make the playoffs this year, it will be merely an extension of prolonging the inevitable one more week.
So what is your solution? Hire one of the upcoming offensive geniuses like Deflippo to take over the team?
Give me every one of Zimmer's years over the train wreck we've had basically since Denny Green left. At least back in Denny's days we had one dominate side of the ball. Zimmer will get this team righted.
I said it before and I like it so I'll say it some more. Denny Green was a man before his time. Could you imagine what he could do in today's NFL. The game is made for him now.
I don't buy the argument that somehow Zim has somehow become old and stodgy in his approach to "today's" game. He's the head coach and sets team expectations across all three aspects of the game to do the very best with the talent given. He can't tell the D coordinator to coach a "bend-don't-break" defense.
This whole love affair with "today's game" and teams like the Lambs or Chefs is driven by the NFL rules committee handcuffing defenses in an effort to generate enthusiasm among a fan base that no longer wants to sit in these billion dollar palaces and watch spoiled millionaires pretend they're SJW's. Last weekend saw many half empty stadiums across the NFL landscape at this point in the season. Yeah, TV ad revenue is up but many supposedly marquee games had very low viewership, including the Vikes-Hags.
The point of this is like any coach, he's playing the hand he's given. Cousins, Thielen, Diggs, Rudolph, Cook are all highly rated offensive weapons. That they are playing behind third-string talented O line given him is clearly on RS. And I haven't seen any evidence that the offensive leaders or the defense is quitting on him.
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