Quote: @pumpf said:
I think he's just covering for the team. Or maybe he's covering for Flip. Or both. Either way, I'm not sure I put too much stock into any coach's post-game comments. Except for Frazier's; when he said he had to go look at the tape before commenting, I really believed that he didn't know what had happened.
Actually, I agree with him 100%. Tough to beat the Pats at home in December. That combined with injuries that forced us to trot out 4th and 5th string corners against Brady. Still, we should've played much better than we did on both sides of the ball.
Under Zimmer's 5 year tenure as Vikings Head Coach, this team has a grand total of 1 road victory against winning teams. Let that sink in for a minute. How many additional years does that kind of record deserve? Clearly the Flip experiment is not working and since that was his decision I don't think he deserves a pass on that either. I like Zimmer, and want him to be successful, but I'm not convinced that he is anything more than a solid defensive coordinator who has already reached his ceiling as a Head Coach.
Quote: @pumpf said:
I think he's just covering for the team. Or maybe he's covering for Flip. Or both. Either way, I'm not sure I put too much stock into any coach's post-game comments. Except for Frazier's; when he said he had to go look at the tape before commenting, I really believed that he didn't know what had happened.
I think he is covering for Flip and the Cousins. Easier to give some coach speak and have all the drama focused on that rather than the fact that Cousins might be who Washington thought he was.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ Al (The Lochstar) Heurung said:
After tonight, seeing how a top-tier team still can cut us up like a Christmas cheese-log... Plus our injuries always decimate one single crucial section of our O or D... the best I can hope for is a miracle gelling so we can at least remain Kings of the North if not make a playoff run. Likely? No. But still wanna be Kings of the North. The Bears have the horseshoe this year, but as we learned with Case, you can't count on that. We may still at least pull off the division.
Oh, forget the division. When you're trailing by 2 games with 5 to go, you MUST win when the team you're chasing (Chicago) gets upset by a 3-win team.
I get it, the Patriots are really tough, anywhere, and at home, and in December. But at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, the Vikings were tied and had been playing them evenly. At that point, the game was winnable and they seemed to be past their "jitters". But our vaunted defense collapsed.
Zimmer can beat teams with losing records (usually, though not always). He doesn't beat winning teams, so maybe we should hope for a collapse the rest of the way so he can have a nice easy schedule next year.
Not sure how our vaunted D collapsed? Sherels was out there covering Gordon. I think our D held up pretty well considering how poorly the offense played. Zimmer is the best coach we have had since Bud and people are ready to run him out on the first train to Green Bay. It isn't the defense failing in the pinball era of football, it is our offense that can't get its shit together. And one can blame the o-line only so much. Cousins was not good yesterday. Thielen dropped some passes.
somethings not right with Cousins... he looks concussed or scared out there. he has been regressing the last month IMO and I think that is showing up in the play calling as well as the struggles on defense as they are getting gassed and dinged up. I dont know what the problem is, and I dont think changing HCs will solve it, but I do know that january is coming quickly and if they want to still be playing football they better pull their heads out of their asses and quick.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
somethings not right with Cousins... he looks concussed or scared out there. he has been regressing the last month IMO and I think that is showing up in the play calling as well as the struggles on defense as they are getting gassed and dinged up. I dont know what the problem is, and I dont think changing HCs will solve it, but I do know that january is coming quickly and if they want to still be playing football they better pull their heads out of their asses and quick.
he was looking at the rush yesterday IMO. He wasn't looking to pass the ball. The first sack he took, he had open guys but was looking at the rush.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
somethings not right with Cousins... he looks concussed or scared out there. he has been regressing the last month IMO and I think that is showing up in the play calling as well as the struggles on defense as they are getting gassed and dinged up. I dont know what the problem is, and I dont think changing HCs will solve it, but I do know that january is coming quickly and if they want to still be playing football they better pull their heads out of their asses and quick.
he was looking at the rush yesterday IMO. He wasn't looking to pass the ball. The first sack he took, he had open guys but was looking at the rush.
yep, its been happening more and more frequently. even when he has time he is forcing the ball out early because his internal clock is beating a little fast from all the poundings he has taken.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
somethings not right with Cousins... he looks concussed or scared out there. he has been regressing the last month IMO and I think that is showing up in the play calling as well as the struggles on defense as they are getting gassed and dinged up. I dont know what the problem is, and I dont think changing HCs will solve it, but I do know that january is coming quickly and if they want to still be playing football they better pull their heads out of their asses and quick.
There have been maybe a handful of pass plays the entire season where Cousins drops back and has a good amount of time to survey the field and throw. The kind of pressure he sees can ruin a young QB. Thankfully, at 30, he's probably past that. But I would just love to see what he could do with time. Not just occasional time, but time he and his play caller can count on. There's a huge difference.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Al (The Lochstar) Heurung said:
After tonight, seeing how a top-tier team still can cut us up like a Christmas cheese-log... Plus our injuries always decimate one single crucial section of our O or D... the best I can hope for is a miracle gelling so we can at least remain Kings of the North if not make a playoff run. Likely? No. But still wanna be Kings of the North. The Bears have the horseshoe this year, but as we learned with Case, you can't count on that. We may still at least pull off the division.
Oh, forget the division. When you're trailing by 2 games with 5 to go, you MUST win when the team you're chasing (Chicago) gets upset by a 3-win team.
I get it, the Patriots are really tough, anywhere, and at home, and in December. But at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, the Vikings were tied and had been playing them evenly. At that point, the game was winnable and they seemed to be past their "jitters". But our vaunted defense collapsed.
Zimmer can beat teams with losing records (usually, though not always). He doesn't beat winning teams, so maybe we should hope for a collapse the rest of the way so he can have a nice easy schedule next year.
Not sure how our vaunted D collapsed? Sherels was out there covering Gordon. I think our D held up pretty well considering how poorly the offense played. Zimmer is the best coach we have had since Bud and people are ready to run him out on the first train to Green Bay. It isn't the defense failing in the pinball era of football, it is our offense that can't get its shit together. And one can blame the o-line only so much. Cousins was not good yesterday. Thielen dropped some passes.
Our defense let the Pats score twice in about 6 minutes and put the game out of reach, so our RB who was having an excellent game stopped getting runs as our offense had to go into catchup mode.
Zimmer dreams of an offense that churns out yardage and runs out the clock while his defense stifles opponents. But 24 points is not stifled.
Jimmy, I know Zimmer is our best HC since Green, and that we had some real crapfests in between the two. But if he's never going to be more than just-above-average, do you really want to settle on that? Being overly afraid of the lousy seasons we got from Tice/Childress/Frazier is another form of playing not to lose.
Quote: @TBro said:
Under Zimmer's 5 year tenure as Vikings Head Coach, this team has a grand total of 1 road victory against winning teams. Let that sink in for a minute. How many additional years does that kind of record deserve? Clearly the Flip experiment is not working and since that was his decision I don't think he deserves a pass on that either. I like Zimmer, and want him to be successful, but I'm not convinced that he is anything more than a solid defensive coordinator who has already reached his ceiling as a Head Coach.
I get your point but you really need to fact check your statements before you spew them out. The stat you're using as the basis for your post is not correct at all.
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