Quote: @TBro said:
I think there will be a lot of cap casualties in the offseason. Sendejo and Griffen are two of the more likely to go along with Treadwell and possibly Rudy. Hopefully we would clear enough cap to sign both Barr and Richardson and use our draft picks to improve our offensive line.
We can't expect rookie olinemen to start day one. I will be pissed if rick doesn't find a quality OG in FA.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
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@ MaroonBells said:
- Not sure how accurate this is, but it's Bleacher Reports top guards available next year. Resign Easton, sign one of these guys and draft OL in the 2nd round.
Guard
1. Ali Marpet, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2. Shaq Mason, New England Patriots
3. Quinton Spain, Tennessee Titans
4. Mike Iupati, Arizona Cardinals
5. Jack Mewhort, Indianapolis Colts
Guard isn't as glamorous as tackle, but the price tags for some of the league's best interior blockers rival their counterparts. Marpet should be the next to receive a large check because he can excel at both guard spots and center.
Mason is one of the game's best run-blockers, while Spain is 26 years old with 27 starts over the last two seasons.
Iupati and Mewhort could be higher on the list if not for their injury histories.
Good approach but I would edit this: " draft OL in the 2nd round" to "draft OL in the FIRST round".
I know that draft reports currently list no OG worth the 1st round, but Frank Ragnow and Billy Price were considered day 2 (or later) at this point last year. If we want an OL who can start, don't count on getting lucky in round 2. What are we going to prioritize for the first round instead of OL, anyway?
Right now I would say Barr's replacement.
or Richardsons, I keep hearing how there are supposed to be some damn fine DT coming in the 19 draft class, lets get our own Donald to help distrupt the middle of the opposing teams OL.
Aaron Donald is a once in a generation player. When you already have a guy like Richardson who wants to stay and won't cost you a draft pick, I'd just give him Barr's money. It's early though. It's a bad sign I'm already thinking of off season moves.
He may be, but if we don't take one we surely won't find the next one. I was saying Donald in that we could use a dominant DT and I am not entirely sure yet about Richardson...as far as him saying he wants to be here...well we hear that from every pending FA so we will see how badly he wants to be here.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ TBro said:
I think there will be a lot of cap casualties in the offseason. Sendejo and Griffen are two of the more likely to go along with Treadwell and possibly Rudy. Hopefully we would clear enough cap to sign both Barr and Richardson and use our draft picks to improve our offensive line.
We can't expect rookie olinemen to start day one. I will be pissed if rick doesn't find a quality OG in FA.
I forgot to add Remmers to that list. I disagree that you can't find a rookie interior lineman to start day 1. There will be plenty of options. Maybe not as deep as last year, but finding interior lineman who can come in and start should be available to us in the late first or second round.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ TBro said:
I think there will be a lot of cap casualties in the offseason. Sendejo and Griffen are two of the more likely to go along with Treadwell and possibly Rudy. Hopefully we would clear enough cap to sign both Barr and Richardson and use our draft picks to improve our offensive line.
We can't expect rookie olinemen to start day one. I will be pissed if rick doesn't find a quality OG in FA.
I forgot to add Remmers to that list. I disagree that you can't find a rookie interior lineman to start day 1. There will be plenty of options. Maybe not as deep as last year, but finding interior lineman who can come in and start should be available to us in the late first or second round.
I'm not saying that they aren't available, im just saying that to count on the draft to find a player that has to start year 1 is a bad plan IMO. I don't want to rely on the draft to fill holes in the starting lineup. And we will have 2 holes at OG, Easton might fill one, but that still leaves the RG spot. Amd lie I said earlier, even counting on Easton will make me nervous after a whole year off.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ TBro said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ TBro said:
I think there will be a lot of cap casualties in the offseason. Sendejo and Griffen are two of the more likely to go along with Treadwell and possibly Rudy. Hopefully we would clear enough cap to sign both Barr and Richardson and use our draft picks to improve our offensive line.
We can't expect rookie olinemen to start day one. I will be pissed if rick doesn't find a quality OG in FA.
I forgot to add Remmers to that list. I disagree that you can't find a rookie interior lineman to start day 1. There will be plenty of options. Maybe not as deep as last year, but finding interior lineman who can come in and start should be available to us in the late first or second round.
I'm not saying that they aren't available, im just saying that to count on the draft to find a player that has to start year 1 is a bad plan IMO. I don't want to rely on the draft to fill holes in the starting lineup. And we will have 2 holes at OG, Easton might fill one, but that still leaves the RG spot. Amd lie I said earlier, even counting on Easton will make me nervous after a whole year off.
Totally agree on Easton. Neck injuries are so unpredictable. It took Peyton Manning forever to recover from all of his surgeries. That fact there has been zero mentioned about his recovery has me concerned. We may not have any other choice but to rely on a rookie to start at one or both guard spots next year if we spend our FA money on Barr and/or Richardson. I'm not convinced there will be any major OLine FA signings as long as Rick is still in charge. They have a lot of money invested in Remmers and Reiff already and after lucking into O'Neill who was only supposed to be a developmental prospect, I think Rick will convince himself we can find similar players in the draft for the Interior OLine. He also seems to overvalue the players we already have like Hill and Isadora who have proven they are not starters when given the chance to play. A lot of people point to Sporano's death as having a big impact on our OLine's struggles this year, but if that was the case, how do you explain O'Neill's success as a rookie while Hill and Isadora haven't improved or developed at all? Remmers is much worse at guard than he was as a RT and Compton is just a journeyman backup who doesn't excel at run or pass blocking. Maybe he looks good in practice so that is why they keep putting them out there but both he and Remmers seem very weak at the point of attack.
Wow, this thread has my head spinning.
Maroon, Zim needs to replace Barr with a Buchanon or Tevin Smith type hybrid LB/Safety that can cover RBs, TEs and occasionally Slot WRs. You can get that in the 2nd or 3rd Round.
Jimmy, the Colts have 1st and 2nd year players on their O-Line, which is much better than Minnesota's. Of course you can count on Rookies to start. Elf is a prime example.
There probably isn't a pure OG that currently grades as a 1st Round talent, but there are at least 4 OTs that will go in that round and many of them project better as Guards and RTs.
I agree with the consensus regarding Easton. He's League Average, which is better than Remmers, Compton and Isidora. Need him back to battle for a Starting spot. He'd also be insurance against Elf not returning to full strength, provided that Easton himself comes back all the way healed.
Personally, I'd sign Roger Saffold away from the Rams and draft Dalton Risner or Greg Little to play RG for a year or two and then kick out and take over RT once O'Neill replaces Reiff.
Rick won't pursue Saffold because he's already 30 so a stealthier move might be the kid Glowinski in Indy. His surprising level of play has helped Nelson and especially Smith and he won't cost a lot.
As for Richardson, the consistency doesn't match the hype or the contract he's going to ask for and this Draft has more pass rushing 3Ts than normal.
It's entirely possible that Rick can replace Sheldon with a 1st Round pick and still land a starting O-Lineman in the 2nd. That's where both the Badger kids and the Bama OG with the horrendous last name are currently slated.
I'd also like to see a 4th used at OT/OG. Need someone to push Izzy to get better or get gone and in case Collins doesn't make it all the way back from injury.
As for the game itself, meh. This is simply not a good Green Bay team. Erin has looked off all season. Should have put them away earlier just like every other sub 500 team they've beaten.
The Defense looked good against the Saints but hasn't exactly been facing world beaters otherwise. I'll believe they are back when they perform against a winning team on the road. The good news is that they'll get two chances in a row to prove it.
Not sold on JDF yet. And has anyone noticed that Cousins is starting to bird dog Thielen and Diggs ala Keenum?
Always great to beat a rival but I need to see more before I buy back in.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ TBro said:
I think there will be a lot of cap casualties in the offseason. Sendejo and Griffen are two of the more likely to go along with Treadwell and possibly Rudy. Hopefully we would clear enough cap to sign both Barr and Richardson and use our draft picks to improve our offensive line.
We can't expect rookie olinemen to start day one. I will be pissed if rick doesn't find a quality OG in FA.
Rick never brings in the top tier free agents to play O- line. He waits for the second tier, less expensive free agents.
That's why they end up with the Comptons, Remmers, and Reifs. And while Reif has been solid, the other two should be back ups at best.
I see a lot of talk about Easton returning, and he would be an upgrade, but not much. Berger was solid. Easton, not so much.
So while I agree they need to bring in a quality OG in free agency, I'm skeptical given their past history of evaluating O- line talent.
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ TBro said:
I think there will be a lot of cap casualties in the offseason. Sendejo and Griffen are two of the more likely to go along with Treadwell and possibly Rudy. Hopefully we would clear enough cap to sign both Barr and Richardson and use our draft picks to improve our offensive line.
We can't expect rookie olinemen to start day one. I will be pissed if rick doesn't find a quality OG in FA.
Rick never brings in the top tier free agents to play O- line. He waits for the second tier, less expensive free agents.
That's why they end up with the Comptons, Remmers, and Reifs. And while Reif has been solid, the other two should be back ups at best.
I see a lot of talk about Easton returning, and he would be an upgrade, but not much. Berger was solid. Easton, not so much.
So while I agree they need to bring in a quality OG in free agency, I'm skeptical given their past history of evaluating O- line talent.
Easton was better than Berger IMO, stronger and more athletic. JB was a good quality back up, but IMO he wasnt strong enough to every get much push and athletic DT really exposed him towards the end of his career. He was a good Viking, but it was definitely his time to hang em up.
as far as Ricks tendencies... he had never payed 84 million for a QB either, its time for him to make that move look smart and double down on it by putting a quality OL in front of his franchise QB and I think Rick knows this. We will never see anything close to superbowl level play until we take care of the trenches IMO, we need to be able to run the ball as well as pass it to chew clock in close games and to take opposing crowds out of the game on the road.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Wow, this thread has my head spinning.
Maroon, Zim needs to replace Barr with a Buchanon or Tevin Smith type hybrid LB/Safety that can cover RBs, TEs and occasionally Slot WRs. You can get that in the 2nd or 3rd Round.
Jimmy, the Colts have 1st and 2nd year players on their O-Line, which is much better than Minnesota's. Of course you can count on Rookies to start. Elf is a prime example.
There probably isn't a pure OG that currently grades as a 1st Round talent, but there are at least 4 OTs that will go in that round and many of them project better as Guards and RTs.
I agree with the consensus regarding Easton. He's League Average, which is better than Remmers, Compton and Isidora. Need him back to battle for a Starting spot. He'd also be insurance against Elf not returning to full strength, provided that Easton himself comes back all the way healed.
Personally, I'd sign Roger Saffold away from the Rams and draft Dalton Risner or Greg Little to play RG for a year or two and then kick out and take over RT once O'Neill replaces Reiff.
Rick won't pursue Saffold because he's already 30 so a stealthier move might be the kid Glowinski in Indy. His surprising level of play has helped Nelson and especially Smith and he won't cost a lot.
As for Richardson, the consistency doesn't match the hype or the contract he's going to ask for and this Draft has more pass rushing 3Ts than normal.
It's entirely possible that Rick can replace Sheldon with a 1st Round pick and still land a starting O-Lineman in the 2nd. That's where both the Badger kids and the Bama OG with the horrendous last name are currently slated.
I'd also like to see a 4th used at OT/OG. Need someone to push Izzy to get better or get gone and in case Collins doesn't make it all the way back from injury.
As for the game itself, meh. This is simply not a good Green Bay team. Erin has looked off all season. Should have put them away earlier just like every other sub 500 team they've beaten.
The Defense looked good against the Saints but hasn't exactly been facing world beaters otherwise. I'll believe they are back when they perform against a winning team on the road. The good news is that they'll get two chances in a row to prove it.
Not sold on JDF yet. And has anyone noticed that Cousins is starting to bird dog Thielen and Diggs ala Keenum?
Always great to beat a rival but I need to see more before I buy back in.
I know that they can be found... hopefully we arent drafting as high as the colts have been the last few years... all I am saying is that with the growing learning curve in the NFL, particularly at the OL spots, I dont want Rick to hang next years OL success on a rookie. remember FA is pretty much over by the draft and that would mean that we would be forced to draft for need if those 2 starting OG spots arent addressed in FA. I would have no issues at all if we took OL talent to potentially start, but I dont want that to be the plan going into the offseason. IMO Easton and 1 more if Easton checks out, otherwise plan on spending for 2 interior OL players in FA and then draft for their replacements/competition.
and for the love of God, can we get somebody in there that can actually coach up the schemes and techniques? I know we dont have the best talent across the front 5, but they arent the worst either and at times the look like a college DL could take them apart on a regular basis. Our OL woes IMO go beyond the assembled talent and point to other issues.
Quote: @TBro said:
I think there will be a lot of cap casualties in the offseason. Sendejo and Griffen are two of the more likely to go along with Treadwell and possibly Rudy. Hopefully we would clear enough cap to sign both Barr and Richardson and use our draft picks to improve our offensive line.
I've been a Treadwell critic, but is there any money to be saved by cutting him? I read his contract as fully guaranteed through next year, he's counting $3.1M against the 2019 cap whether he is on the roster or not. Maybe we will have 5 WRs better than him and move on anyway, but not for $$. (They certainly better not pick up his 5th year option, though..)
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Maroon, Zim needs to replace Barr with a Buchanon or Tevin Smith type hybrid LB/Safety that can cover RBs, TEs and occasionally Slot WRs. You can get that in the 2nd or 3rd Round.
Is Harrison Smith actually our "hybrid LB/Safety"? He plays up on the line, he fills gaps, he blitzes...and covers. Maybe that's why we're seeing 3 safeties / "big corner" packages so much - because one of those 3 isn't playing traditional safety. I know that Zimmer wants another LB who can cover, anyway, but not sure it can be a high priority.
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