Quote: @Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
the reason they are trying that underneath shit is because he is getting taken away down field. they are using those other looks to try and keep him involved, its not like he is not getting those routes from time to time... they just arent there with the coverages that Diggs is drawing.... especially when Cousins is having to get the ball out in a 2.5 count on most snaps. Diggs skills are great for getting open on double and triple moves, but those take a few seconds to set up... our OL isnt able to consistently give that time.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
the reason they are trying that underneath shit is because he is getting taken away down field. they are using those other looks to try and keep him involved, its not like he is not getting those routes from time to time... they just arent there with the coverages that Diggs is drawing.... especially when Cousins is having to get the ball out in a 2.5 count on most snaps. Diggs skills are great for getting open on double and triple moves, but those take a few seconds to set up... our OL isnt able to consistently give that time.
Correct. Many factors going into D-Flips' Diggs usage.
1. Serves as a de facto run game when Murray is getting stuffed.
2. Keeps a CB and a Safety close to the Line which is giving Adam, Kyle and Laquon more room to operate.
3. If Diggs makes one or two guys miss at the LOS he's going to break off a chunk play.
4. Gives DCs something else to game plan for.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the team showed NO some of those looks on Sunday and then ran totally different plays out of those sets.
Don't put it past the Coaching Staff to put stuff on tape against 2 weak opponents just to set up the Saints for something else.
And Jimmy is also making a huge point that can't be glossed over. If it was OBJ or Antonio Brown playing opposite of Thielen they'd be hopping mad and giving the media plenty of sound bites.
Kudos to Diggs for putting team in front of self. He may be a big celebrator and trash talker on the field but his head and heart are in the right place ala Julio Jones.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
rewatched the first half and eventually they put their best CB on Thielen but Diggs seemed to be in a bit of a funk. He dropped one and was targeted down the field other times. So it makes sense they tried to manufacture some touches for him to try to get him involved. But the jets paid special attention to him while the rest of the offense scored 37 points. Kudos to Flip for trying to get him going, but the defense wasn't going to let that happen.
Meanwhile AT had another 100 yard day, Murray ran for 2 TDs, Robinson had 1 catch and 1 score.
Quote: @Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
Treadwell? Scat back? Doesn't seem like a fit to me. Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
Treadwell? Scat back? Doesn't seem like a fit to me. Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.
Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
Treadwell? Scat back? Doesn't seem like a fit to me. Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.
Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is.
the Treadwell angst is silly. he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE, and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can. I dont think anything is being manufactured for him, its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options. The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him. I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.
i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick, but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC. and when he is called on he is making the plays, he can only do what is asked of him.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
Treadwell? Scat back? Doesn't seem like a fit to me. Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.
Again, Diggs had 8 receptions for 33 yards. Yup...had the Jets fooled for sure. And against the mighty Cardinals secondary, 3 receptions for...wait for it...33 yards. But he was targeted 5 times, soooo there's that...
BTW, I was being facetious about Treadwell.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
Treadwell? Scat back? Doesn't seem like a fit to me. Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.
Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is.
the Treadwell angst is silly. he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE, and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can. I dont think anything is being manufactured for him, its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options. The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him. I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.
i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick, but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC. and when he is called on he is making the plays, he can only do what is asked of him.
You're right the angst against Treadwell is silly. He didn't draft himself in the 1st round. However there lies the problem. We spent another high draft pick on a receiver we won't sign to a 2nd contract. You are right it's more my problem then his. Wonder what would have happened if we drafted a Oline guy insted. Nevermind we blow them often enough too. Maybe any position as long as he started. That's my angst. 1st rounders are not #3.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
Treadwell? Scat back? Doesn't seem like a fit to me. Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.
Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is.
the Treadwell angst is silly. he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE, and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can. I dont think anything is being manufactured for him, its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options. The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him. I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.
i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick, but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC. and when he is called on he is making the plays, he can only do what is asked of him.
You're right the angst against Treadwell is silly. He didn't draft himself in the 1st round. However there lies the problem. We spent another high draft pick on a receiver we won't sign to a 2nd contract. You are right it's more my problem then his. Wonder what would have happened if we drafted a Oline guy insted. Nevermind we blow them often enough too. Maybe any position as long as he started. That's my angst. 1st rounders are not #3.
but remember back to that time.. if Rick handnt taken a shot at a WR in the first heads would have rolled. I dont think there was a fan, analyst, etc out there that didnt have WR at the top of the Vikings board and only a few picked Thomas who was the only one that came later that amounted to much. it was a gamble that didnt pay off as expected, but the kid is performing well IMO in the role he is asked to fill.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ greediron said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Zimmer should just take his foot off the offensive brake and let Kirk, Adam, Diggs and Murray match Brees and company in what will likely be a shoot out. My faith in the defense stopping them is low. I have more faith in the Saints defense not stopping ours. IF Mike let's loose the reins.
I just know I'm gonna lose it if Diggs has 8 receptions for 33 yards. His under usage is nauseating.
I know...really!
he is drawing the opposing teams #1 CB and still is getting safety help over the top or LB help underneath on many of his routes... its not the offensive play calling that is taking away Diggs its the defensive schemes. is it coincidence that when Diggs disappears that Theilen goes off? sooner or later teams will roll more of that coverage towards AT and Diggs will get his big game, but right now he is playing a role and doing a very good job at it. it has to be damn hard to still work as hard as he does on every play knowing that the defense is scheming specifically to take you out of the offense.
I get that he's drawing the #1 CB, but he's been featured on too many WR screens and laterals, IMO. With his hands and route running, Diggs should be seeing deeper looks. Let Roc, Boone or Treadwell play scat-back.
Treadwell? Scat back? Doesn't seem like a fit to me. Roc or Boone maybe, but that won't scare the D.
Yeah as for Treadwell. I'm a little tired of the extra work needed to try and make him useful. Either you are or you ain't. At what point this season do we conclude he's not coming back next year and see if someone here now is.
the Treadwell angst is silly. he is #3 receiver on a team that has studs at 1 and 2, and a usually sure handed pass catching TE, and a coach that wants to stay balanced on O between run and pass as much as he can. I dont think anything is being manufactured for him, its opportunities that show up at times for him due to teams taking away the other options. The guy has been solid since the GBay game and yet people are still bagging on him. I dont understand where it comes from or what people are expecting out of anybody in that situation.... especially if people want to watch some film and realize that many of our chunk plays from the LOS are due to him making a block that a lot of receivers would not make.
i know that people are frustrated that he was a first round pick, but hell its time to get past that and realize that we have a #3 receiver that is contributing quite well on an offense that is still finding its identity under a new OC. and when he is called on he is making the plays, he can only do what is asked of him.
You're right the angst against Treadwell is silly. He didn't draft himself in the 1st round. However there lies the problem. We spent another high draft pick on a receiver we won't sign to a 2nd contract. You are right it's more my problem then his. Wonder what would have happened if we drafted a Oline guy insted. Nevermind we blow them often enough too. Maybe any position as long as he started. That's my angst. 1st rounders are not #3.
Are undrafted walkons or 5th rounders #1s? If they wiffed on the Treadwell pick, I think they made up for it with both AT and Diggs.
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