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10-22-2018, 11:21 AM

I like what I've seen from Flip for the most part, but I agree about the backward pass.

10-22-2018, 01:10 PM

I am more concerned about Zimmer than I am about Flip. I think there is little chance that the game has passed Flip by. I am not so sure I can say that about Zimmer. He is a very good defensive coach, but at bottom he is an old school coach. He is Bill Parcells. Let's run the ball, punt it away on 4th, focus on field position, limit turnovers, play good defense, kick your field goal, and force the opponent to beat your defense on the last drive. (I know I am overstating the case. Going for it on 4th down yesterday was awesome, but it is not what you would normally expect from Zimmer.)
Zimmer's style is not where the game is today. It's not how the Rams (McVay) or KC (Reid) or the Saints (Payton) or NE do it. It's not how the Eagles did it last year. Football is innovated at the college level. And the NFL game is looking more and more like the college game. Zimmer is mostly not interested in that. I think Zimmer will always have a good, solid team. They will always be competitive and usually make the playoffs. But to win it all, he needs a talent discrepancy like only Alabama enjoys. He will never have that in the NFL.
He wants to run the ball to control the clock. But if teams know you are going to run, you probably will not be successful running the ball. Three and out does not eat a lot of clock. Drives eat clock - whether that is done by passing or running. If you try to sit on leads you are likely to lose a game you should win. Giving opposing QBs opportunities to score will eventually result in them scoring. It's just how the NFL is today.
Zimmer is naturally conservative. But conservative play does not win championships anymore . . . unless you are Alabama.

10-22-2018, 01:26 PM

“ Everyone at the bar kept seeing it “

well a room full of drunks always have a bettter perspective

10-22-2018, 01:40 PM

Quote: @Maple Surple said:
“ Everyone at the bar kept seeing it “

well a room full of drunks always have a bettter perspective

LOL, yep. Its a true fan-think comment. The idea that fans are seeing something unique or insightful that coaches AREN'T seeing from watching the game at the sports bar is hilarious.

10-22-2018, 02:38 PM

Quote: @Maple Surple said:
“ Everyone at the bar kept seeing it “

well a room full of drunks always have a bettter perspective

Quote: @StickyBun said:

LOL, yep. Its a true fan-think comment. The idea that fans are seeing something unique or insightful that coaches AREN'T seeing from watching the game at the sports bar is hilarious.

I wasn't at your typical full city bar where everyone is sloshed. It was a small, rural MN bar and nobody was drunk since everyone pretty much just got there when the game started.

So, what is the better perspective of what they were calling for Diggs yesterday, specifically? I can't believe anyone didn't think they were trying to get Diggs the ball easily with hopes he could pick up yards. It wasn't working! They ran him twice for -7 yards, almost lost the ball on a lateral to him that wasn't going to work, completed 8 passes to him for about 4 yds/catch (with 7 totaling 23 yards - a 3 yard average!).

Kirk didn't seem to struggle throwing downfield when he did yet they repeatedly tried those plays to Diggs and none of them worked. The team had 8 possessions of 3-5 plays that resulted in a punt... 6 of those included one of those plays to Diggs for negative yards, none or just a few at most. I didn't suggest I or anyone else was seeing something "unique or insightful," rather that everyone was simply seeing that what they were trying was not working and they kept doing it. Simple observation and comment.

10-22-2018, 02:47 PM

we scored 37 points on the road in a swirling wind. Yeah, our offense sucks.

Sorry, but it gets old. We run to much on first down. Now we throw too much. We can run the ball, why do we keep running it. Zimmer is to old and stuck in his ways. We will never win with him.

We scored 37 points. Won on the road where we had never won before. The D played well without Joseph, EG, and Rhodes and Barr at the end. We are leading our division, the offense is piling up points and the D is holding its own in a year of offensive outbursts. Our coach is consistent, thoughtful, respected and has the team always playing at a top level.

Did I miss anything?

10-22-2018, 03:12 PM

Quote: @greediron said:
we scored 37 points on the road in a swirling wind. Yeah, our offense sucks.

Sorry, but it gets old. We run to much on first down. Now we throw too much. We can run the ball, why do we keep running it. Zimmer is to old and stuck in his ways. We will never win with him.

We scored 37 points. Won on the road where we had never won before. The D played well without Joseph, EG, and Rhodes and Barr at the end. We are leading our division, the offense is piling up points and the D is holding its own in a year of offensive outbursts. Our coach is consistent, thoughtful, respected and has the team always playing at a top level.

Did I miss anything?

Right on. Sometimes as fans we need to check ourselves a bit, our knee jerk, too close to the trees micromanaging of a game. Road games are hard to win in the NFL. It seems like sometimes there is more complaining over a win than a loss on this board. Listen, I have my share of direct opinions some might say slant 'negative' , but not after wins on the road.

10-22-2018, 03:17 PM

Quote: @StickyBun said:

@greediron said:
we scored 37 points on the road in a swirling wind. Yeah, our offense sucks.

Sorry, but it gets old. We run to much on first down. Now we throw too much. We can run the ball, why do we keep running it. Zimmer is to old and stuck in his ways. We will never win with him.

We scored 37 points. Won on the road where we had never won before. The D played well without Joseph, EG, and Rhodes and Barr at the end. We are leading our division, the offense is piling up points and the D is holding its own in a year of offensive outbursts. Our coach is consistent, thoughtful, respected and has the team always playing at a top level.

Did I miss anything?
Right on. Sometimes as fans we need to check ourselves a bit, our knee jerk, too close to the trees micromanaging of a game. Road games are hard to win in the NFL. It seems like sometimes there is more complaining over a win than a loss on this board. Listen, I have my share of direct opinions some might say slant 'negative' , but not after wins on the road.

Exactly. Enjoy the win. Now there may be nits to pick, but enjoy the win.

Diggs is getting the focus of the defense right now, so should we ignore him and have an unhappy WR? I say kudos to Flip for trying to create ways to get him the ball. Now the laterals are getting sniffed out, but we need to run screens because the offensive line needs help. And how often have people bitched about not running screens to slow the pass rush?

I would like to see Diggs getting more passes down the field as well, but teams are content to let Thielen beat them and he is, so I will enjoy.

10-22-2018, 03:24 PM

J.C. guys! All I did was f'n comment on the frustration of watching them repeatedly try something that wasn't working which culminated in poor possession results, which was on topic with the thread. I'm not pissed about the game or the outcome obviously - just that I wished they'd tried fewer of those particular plays.

I don't believe I'm known to really complain about anything much regarding the team...

10-22-2018, 03:27 PM

Quote: @CLOBIMON said:
J.C. guys! All I did was f'n comment on the frustration of watching them repeatedly try something that wasn't working which culminated in poor possession results, which was on topic with the thread. I'm not pissed about the game or the outcome obviously - just that I wished they'd tried fewer of those particular plays.

I do get what you are saying. Trust me, it frustrated me as well the plays you speak of. I think I'm speaking more to the overall thing we can do as fans, me included, about finding more fault with some wins sometimes than I really should be.

Not trying to pick on you, Clob. Sorry if it came across that way!