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I'd bet Kirk and the OL are all working hard to avoid all the batted passes after the six he had on Sunday. The Jets already have 10 picks and 9 forced fumbles this season, and I'm sure they're very aware that Kirk is vulnerable to strip sacks and fumbles when pressured. Apparently this is how the Jets have thrived this season. Their D gives Darold a short field, and they take advantage.
Kirk needs to take care of the ball, and having a running game should help that. Hopefully Murray, Boone, and Thomas (Cook too?) all do well, and don't cough up the ball. I think mistake free football is the key to winning. The running game should open up the passing attack for AT, Diggs, Rudy and others as well.
The D needs to stop the run, and make the rookie QB beat them with his arm.
This should be a good game, but it should also be winnable.
Go Vikes - SKOL!
Mistake free football is always a lot to ask. Its a goal, but few teams attain it game to game.
Bottom line the Jets are a decent team and its in their house: won't be easy. But its for sure winnable. For me, its a barometer game.
The number of batted balls last week surprised me. We were lucky that none of them turned into another turnover.
This is the type of game that teams like the Vikings want to be... win. I think they get the W.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
I'd bet Kirk and the OL are all working hard to avoid all the batted passes after the six he had on Sunday. The Jets already have 10 picks and 9 forced fumbles this season, and I'm sure they're very aware that Kirk is vulnerable to strip sacks and fumbles when pressured. Apparently this is how the Jets have thrived this season. Their D gives Darold a short field, and they take advantage.
Kirk needs to take care of the ball, and having a running game should help that. Hopefully Murray, Boone, and Thomas (Cook too?) all do well, and don't cough up the ball. I think mistake free football is the key to winning. The running game should open up the passing attack for AT, Diggs, Rudy and others as well.
The D needs to stop the run, and make the rookie QB beat them with his arm.
This should be a good game, but it should also be winnable.
Go Vikes - SKOL!
This game should be a blowout. I know that's not cool to say and, yes, I saw the Buffalo game, but this team does not even belong on the same field as the Vikings. If they were healthy, that would be another story, but they could seriously be without two of their three best corners, their starting deep safety, and both of their starting wides.
Prediction:
The Jets play the run fairly well and we don't block it very well. That combined with the fact that their secondary is in tatters means the Vikings are likely going to attack through the air. It also means that Dalvin Cook, likely to return this week, may struggle and there will be folks on Monday wondering if Latavius Murray should be our starter. Watch, it will happen.
With their best receivers in the tub, the Jets will likely try to run the ball with Bilal Powell and Isaiah Crowell (who also may not play due to a foot injury). Either way, the Vikings give up 3.9 yards per carry so I don't see either one being particularly effective. 3rd WR Jermaine Kearse will have to have a big game in order for this to be close.
So that leaves one glaring imbalance. Vikings passing game vs. the Jets depleted secondary. And that's a HUGE mismatch. If Buster Skrine doesn't play, Adam Thielen draws Parry Nickerson, who just might be the worst slot corner in the NFL. If Trumaine Johnson doesn't play, then Diggs probably draws Morris Claiborne in shadow coverage. According to PFF, the cornerbacks who shadowed receivers most last season were Patrick Peterson (11 games), followed by Morris Claiborne (10--tied with Rhodes, btw). But the difference between the two is pretty remarkable. "Out of 91 qualifying cornerbacks last season, Peterson ranked fourth-best in yards allowed per route in coverage, while Claiborne ranked 44th." So Diggs, while he will once again draw the top corner, he should see a little more space in this game (assuming we can protect Cousins beyond a 3-step drop), especially considering the Jets' starting deep safety is also out. This could also be a nice game for Treadwell considering the other starting boundary (Johnson) corner may not play.
Vikings 38, Jets 13
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
I'd bet Kirk and the OL are all working hard to avoid all the batted passes after the six he had on Sunday. The Jets already have 10 picks and 9 forced fumbles this season, and I'm sure they're very aware that Kirk is vulnerable to strip sacks and fumbles when pressured. Apparently this is how the Jets have thrived this season. Their D gives Darold a short field, and they take advantage.
Kirk needs to take care of the ball, and having a running game should help that. Hopefully Murray, Boone, and Thomas (Cook too?) all do well, and don't cough up the ball. I think mistake free football is the key to winning. The running game should open up the passing attack for AT, Diggs, Rudy and others as well.
The D needs to stop the run, and make the rookie QB beat them with his arm.
This should be a good game, but it should also be winnable.
Go Vikes - SKOL!
This game should be a blowout. I know that's not cool to say and, yes, I saw the Buffalo game, but this team does not even belong on the same field as the Vikings. If they were healthy, that would be another story, but they could seriously be without two of their three best corners, their starting deep safety, and both of their starting wides.
Prediction:
The Jets play the run fairly well and we don't block it very well. That combined with the fact that their secondary is in tatters means the Vikings are likely going to attack through the air. It also means that Dalvin Cook, likely to return this week, may struggle and there will be folks on Monday wondering if Latavius Murray should be our starter. Watch, it will happen.
With their best receivers in the tub, the Jets will likely try to run the ball with Bilal Powell and Isaiah Crowell (who also may not play due to a foot injury). Either way, the Vikings give up 3.9 yards per carry so I don't see either one being particularly effective. 3rd WR Jermaine Kearse will have to have a big game in order for this to be close.
So that leaves one glaring imbalance. Vikings passing game vs. the Jets depleted secondary. And that's a HUGE mismatch. If Buster Skrine doesn't play, Adam Thielen draws Parry Nickerson, who just might be the worst slot corner in the NFL. If Trumaine Johnson doesn't play, then Diggs probably draws Morris Claiborne in shadow coverage. According to PFF, the cornerbacks who shadowed receivers most last season were Patrick Peterson (11 games), followed by Morris Claiborne (10--tied with Rhodes, btw). But the difference between the two is pretty remarkable. "Out of 91 qualifying cornerbacks last season, Peterson ranked fourth-best in yards allowed per route in coverage, while Claiborne ranked 44th." So Diggs, while he will once again draw the top corner, he should see a little more space in this game, especially considering the Jets' starting deep safety is out. This could also be a nice game for Treadwell considering the other starting boundary (Johnson) corner may not play.
Vikings 38, Jets 13
I thought I had read that the Jets were rather poor in their run defense?
Hopefully you are right about the rest.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
I'd bet Kirk and the OL are all working hard to avoid all the batted passes after the six he had on Sunday. The Jets already have 10 picks and 9 forced fumbles this season, and I'm sure they're very aware that Kirk is vulnerable to strip sacks and fumbles when pressured. Apparently this is how the Jets have thrived this season. Their D gives Darold a short field, and they take advantage.
Kirk needs to take care of the ball, and having a running game should help that. Hopefully Murray, Boone, and Thomas (Cook too?) all do well, and don't cough up the ball. I think mistake free football is the key to winning. The running game should open up the passing attack for AT, Diggs, Rudy and others as well.
The D needs to stop the run, and make the rookie QB beat them with his arm.
This should be a good game, but it should also be winnable.
Go Vikes - SKOL!
This game should be a blowout. I know that's not cool to say and, yes, I saw the Buffalo game, but this team does not even belong on the same field as the Vikings. If they were healthy, that would be another story, but they could seriously be without two of their three best corners, their starting deep safety, and both of their starting wides.
Prediction:
The Jets play the run fairly well and we don't block it very well. That combined with the fact that their secondary is in tatters means the Vikings are likely going to attack through the air. It also means that Dalvin Cook, likely to return this week, may struggle and there will be folks on Monday wondering if Latavius Murray should be our starter. Watch, it will happen.
With their best receivers in the tub, the Jets will likely try to run the ball with Bilal Powell and Isaiah Crowell (who also may not play due to a foot injury). Either way, the Vikings give up 3.9 yards per carry so I don't see either one being particularly effective. 3rd WR Jermaine Kearse will have to have a big game in order for this to be close.
So that leaves one glaring imbalance. Vikings passing game vs. the Jets depleted secondary. And that's a HUGE mismatch. If Buster Skrine doesn't play, Adam Thielen draws Parry Nickerson, who just might be the worst slot corner in the NFL. If Trumaine Johnson doesn't play, then Diggs probably draws Morris Claiborne in shadow coverage. According to PFF, the cornerbacks who shadowed receivers most last season were Patrick Peterson (11 games), followed by Morris Claiborne (10--tied with Rhodes, btw). But the difference between the two is pretty remarkable. "Out of 91 qualifying cornerbacks last season, Peterson ranked fourth-best in yards allowed per route in coverage, while Claiborne ranked 44th." So Diggs, while he will once again draw the top corner, he should see a little more space in this game, especially considering the Jets' starting deep safety is out. This could also be a nice game for Treadwell considering the other starting boundary (Johnson) corner may not play.
Vikings 38, Jets 13
I thought I had read that the Jets were rather poor in their run defense?
Hopefully you are right about the rest.
Jets haven't allowed a 100 yard rusher yet this season. PFF ranked their run defense 11th overall last year. Numberfire ranks them the 10th overall so far this year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
I'd bet Kirk and the OL are all working hard to avoid all the batted passes after the six he had on Sunday. The Jets already have 10 picks and 9 forced fumbles this season, and I'm sure they're very aware that Kirk is vulnerable to strip sacks and fumbles when pressured. Apparently this is how the Jets have thrived this season. Their D gives Darold a short field, and they take advantage.
Kirk needs to take care of the ball, and having a running game should help that. Hopefully Murray, Boone, and Thomas (Cook too?) all do well, and don't cough up the ball. I think mistake free football is the key to winning. The running game should open up the passing attack for AT, Diggs, Rudy and others as well.
The D needs to stop the run, and make the rookie QB beat them with his arm.
This should be a good game, but it should also be winnable.
Go Vikes - SKOL!
This game should be a blowout. I know that's not cool to say and, yes, I saw the Buffalo game, but this team does not even belong on the same field as the Vikings. If they were healthy, that would be another story, but they could seriously be without two of their three best corners, their starting deep safety, and both of their starting wides.
Prediction:
The Jets play the run fairly well and we don't block it very well. That combined with the fact that their secondary is in tatters means the Vikings are likely going to attack through the air. It also means that Dalvin Cook, likely to return this week, may struggle and there will be folks on Monday wondering if Latavius Murray should be our starter. Watch, it will happen.
With their best receivers in the tub, the Jets will likely try to run the ball with Bilal Powell and Isaiah Crowell (who also may not play due to a foot injury). Either way, the Vikings give up 3.9 yards per carry so I don't see either one being particularly effective. 3rd WR Jermaine Kearse will have to have a big game in order for this to be close.
So that leaves one glaring imbalance. Vikings passing game vs. the Jets depleted secondary. And that's a HUGE mismatch. If Buster Skrine doesn't play, Adam Thielen draws Parry Nickerson, who just might be the worst slot corner in the NFL. If Trumaine Johnson doesn't play, then Diggs probably draws Morris Claiborne in shadow coverage. According to PFF, the cornerbacks who shadowed receivers most last season were Patrick Peterson (11 games), followed by Morris Claiborne (10--tied with Rhodes, btw). But the difference between the two is pretty remarkable. "Out of 91 qualifying cornerbacks last season, Peterson ranked fourth-best in yards allowed per route in coverage, while Claiborne ranked 44th." So Diggs, while he will once again draw the top corner, he should see a little more space in this game, especially considering the Jets' starting deep safety is out. This could also be a nice game for Treadwell considering the other starting boundary (Johnson) corner may not play.
Vikings 38, Jets 13
I thought I had read that the Jets were rather poor in their run defense?
Hopefully you are right about the rest.
Jets haven't allowed a 100 yard rusher yet this season. PFF ranked their run defense 11th overall last year. Numberfire ranks them the 10th overall so far this year.
is it because they are good at stopping the run... or because they are so bad at stopping the pass that teams dont bother with the run?
Nice post MB. I like the way you think! 
There are two big areas of concern for me:
1) Linvel might be a no show at NT
2) Our pass protection.
If the Jets can run on us, that keeps them out of 3rds and long. Also, if they shut down our running game, then they bring pressure on our 3rd and long. That's where they thrive at generating TOs.
The Jets are scoring big or losing when they can't.
@ Lions W 48-17
Dolphins L 12-20
@ Browns L 17-21
@ Jaguars L 12-31
Broncos W 34 - 16
Colts W 42 - 34
That might mean they live and die by the big turnover. When they don't get them they can't score. Didn't look into to their scoring break down. Just found it curious how little they scored in loses as compared to wins.
I do remember in the Lion's game they had a defensive and special teams TD.
Play them ball control with no turnovers and make them go the whole field. They might not be able to enough to win.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
I'd bet Kirk and the OL are all working hard to avoid all the batted passes after the six he had on Sunday. The Jets already have 10 picks and 9 forced fumbles this season, and I'm sure they're very aware that Kirk is vulnerable to strip sacks and fumbles when pressured. Apparently this is how the Jets have thrived this season. Their D gives Darold a short field, and they take advantage.
Kirk needs to take care of the ball, and having a running game should help that. Hopefully Murray, Boone, and Thomas (Cook too?) all do well, and don't cough up the ball. I think mistake free football is the key to winning. The running game should open up the passing attack for AT, Diggs, Rudy and others as well.
The D needs to stop the run, and make the rookie QB beat them with his arm.
This should be a good game, but it should also be winnable.
Go Vikes - SKOL!
This game should be a blowout. I know that's not cool to say and, yes, I saw the Buffalo game, but this team does not even belong on the same field as the Vikings. If they were healthy, that would be another story, but they could seriously be without two of their three best corners, their starting deep safety, and both of their starting wides.
Prediction:
The Jets play the run fairly well and we don't block it very well. That combined with the fact that their secondary is in tatters means the Vikings are likely going to attack through the air. It also means that Dalvin Cook, likely to return this week, may struggle and there will be folks on Monday wondering if Latavius Murray should be our starter. Watch, it will happen.
With their best receivers in the tub, the Jets will likely try to run the ball with Bilal Powell and Isaiah Crowell (who also may not play due to a foot injury). Either way, the Vikings give up 3.9 yards per carry so I don't see either one being particularly effective. 3rd WR Jermaine Kearse will have to have a big game in order for this to be close.
So that leaves one glaring imbalance. Vikings passing game vs. the Jets depleted secondary. And that's a HUGE mismatch. If Buster Skrine doesn't play, Adam Thielen draws Parry Nickerson, who just might be the worst slot corner in the NFL. If Trumaine Johnson doesn't play, then Diggs probably draws Morris Claiborne in shadow coverage. According to PFF, the cornerbacks who shadowed receivers most last season were Patrick Peterson (11 games), followed by Morris Claiborne (10--tied with Rhodes, btw). But the difference between the two is pretty remarkable. "Out of 91 qualifying cornerbacks last season, Peterson ranked fourth-best in yards allowed per route in coverage, while Claiborne ranked 44th." So Diggs, while he will once again draw the top corner, he should see a little more space in this game, especially considering the Jets' starting deep safety is out. This could also be a nice game for Treadwell considering the other starting boundary (Johnson) corner may not play.
Vikings 38, Jets 13
I thought I had read that the Jets were rather poor in their run defense?
Hopefully you are right about the rest.
Jets haven't allowed a 100 yard rusher yet this season. PFF ranked their run defense 11th overall last year. Numberfire ranks them the 10th overall so far this year.
is it because they are good at stopping the run... or because they are so bad at stopping the pass that teams dont bother with the run?
Probably both. I think they are legitimately solid against the run. Not great, but solid. The only good team they've faced this year was the Jags and they held Fournette to 2.7 ypc and Yeldon to 2.9. Mostly I think the Vikings will come out throwing more and running less because of that banged up secondary.
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