Quote: @KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
I'm guessing that everyone here who is FOR free speech is completely OK with giving people the opportunity to speak- even if they disagree with them? How about the right to not speak- when doing so would advocate for something that a person's conscience won't allow them to support? I'm guessing those folks who are clutching their pearls in this thread would also be against that, right?
I would agree with the liberals here- if they weren't such damn hypocrites. Let's face it, they are not concerned with free speech. They are concerned with making sure that THEIR ability to speak is protected; they could give a damn about protecting the speech of those with whom they disagree. And, by the way, what liberals are doing now isn't "protesting"; it is THREATENING others who disagree with them. Or they are shutting down highways, airports, etc. It's been a LONG time since I found a liberal who was truly willing to support the free speech of someone with whom they disagreed. Meanwhile they will advocate for the silencing of anyone who doesn't spew liberal viewpoints; including calling for them to be fired, harassed or even harmed. But all of that is OK; because those people won't go to jail for their viewpoints... they'll just lose their job, reputations and possibly their good health. But the "government" won't be the one to take away their right to free, though, so it's OK... except for any Christian who doesn't want to be forced to endorse something they disagree with. Then it's OK for the government to fine/jail a person. Oh, and let's not forget about Obama's IRS going after conservatives... or journalists for that matter. When he went after a person's civil liberties, it was OK... 'cause, you know, HE was cool... and he hated the same things that other liberals hated.
The utter lack of self-awareness is sad... and no longer shocking. While some rail against the spectre of Trump limiting "free speech", many liberals cheered Obama (and various state governments) for their actual attacks on free speech. And even though it's not a "first amendment" issue, they ALSO cheer when various businesses do the same thing. So forgive me if I don't take their consternation seriously. As soon as they are willing to protect ALL speech... I'll be perfectly happy to stand with them in defending the first amendment (which, ironically, includes the freedom of religion- the right to practice my religion and put my faith into practice without government opposition). Let me know when you guys are actually interested in that and I'll be right there with you.
I'm 100% for "the right" to be able to go to college campuses and speak. I think what they say is inflammatory, false, and oftentimes dangerous, but I don't like how young millenials will go and shout them down, use airhorns, sign petitions to keep them away, etc. Not all of us "liberals" support that shit. The solution to alt-right silliness (Anne Coulter, Richard Spencer, Steve Bannon) is to let them speak, expose their ideas, and counter those.
ALL speech should be protected.
This has been my default approach. But it's not working. Damned if there aren't a gazillion good folks eager to buy in to the hate and ignorance. There's a far right-wing, openly racist, misogynistic and anti-gay candidate--just a real scumbag--poised to win the presidential election in Brazil right now. He's being called the Trump of the Tropics and he's following Very Stable Genius' game plan. Hate now has a foothold in the world again. I'm not a fan of the shouting down, but I also know that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
whats funny is that is exactly what motivates the people that are of the opposing view points as well....
IMO its all the action with little tolerance or attempting to see a position from anothers point of view is what is leading to all this evil.
No doubt. I have no doubt that Nazis and other right wingers think of us as intolerant of their point of view. I'm OK with that.
Yep, I am sure you are righteous and they aND those that disagree with your positions are all evil. There can't be any other answer.
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
And everybody that disagrees with the lefty lynch mob gets lumped into the racist nazi hate group. We can't be against the lefty movement without being raping racist haters.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
I'm guessing that everyone here who is FOR free speech is completely OK with giving people the opportunity to speak- even if they disagree with them? How about the right to not speak- when doing so would advocate for something that a person's conscience won't allow them to support? I'm guessing those folks who are clutching their pearls in this thread would also be against that, right?
I would agree with the liberals here- if they weren't such damn hypocrites. Let's face it, they are not concerned with free speech. They are concerned with making sure that THEIR ability to speak is protected; they could give a damn about protecting the speech of those with whom they disagree. And, by the way, what liberals are doing now isn't "protesting"; it is THREATENING others who disagree with them. Or they are shutting down highways, airports, etc. It's been a LONG time since I found a liberal who was truly willing to support the free speech of someone with whom they disagreed. Meanwhile they will advocate for the silencing of anyone who doesn't spew liberal viewpoints; including calling for them to be fired, harassed or even harmed. But all of that is OK; because those people won't go to jail for their viewpoints... they'll just lose their job, reputations and possibly their good health. But the "government" won't be the one to take away their right to free, though, so it's OK... except for any Christian who doesn't want to be forced to endorse something they disagree with. Then it's OK for the government to fine/jail a person. Oh, and let's not forget about Obama's IRS going after conservatives... or journalists for that matter. When he went after a person's civil liberties, it was OK... 'cause, you know, HE was cool... and he hated the same things that other liberals hated.
The utter lack of self-awareness is sad... and no longer shocking. While some rail against the spectre of Trump limiting "free speech", many liberals cheered Obama (and various state governments) for their actual attacks on free speech. And even though it's not a "first amendment" issue, they ALSO cheer when various businesses do the same thing. So forgive me if I don't take their consternation seriously. As soon as they are willing to protect ALL speech... I'll be perfectly happy to stand with them in defending the first amendment (which, ironically, includes the freedom of religion- the right to practice my religion and put my faith into practice without government opposition). Let me know when you guys are actually interested in that and I'll be right there with you.
I'm 100% for "the right" to be able to go to college campuses and speak. I think what they say is inflammatory, false, and oftentimes dangerous, but I don't like how young millenials will go and shout them down, use airhorns, sign petitions to keep them away, etc. Not all of us "liberals" support that shit. The solution to alt-right silliness (Anne Coulter, Richard Spencer, Steve Bannon) is to let them speak, expose their ideas, and counter those.
ALL speech should be protected.
This has been my default approach. But it's not working. Damned if there aren't a gazillion good folks eager to buy in to the hate and ignorance. There's a far right-wing, openly racist, misogynistic and anti-gay candidate--just a real scumbag--poised to win the presidential election in Brazil right now. He's being called the Trump of the Tropics and he's following Very Stable Genius' game plan. Hate now has a foothold in the world again. I'm not a fan of the shouting down, but I also know that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
whats funny is that is exactly what motivates the people that are of the opposing view points as well....
IMO its all the action with little tolerance or attempting to see a position from anothers point of view is what is leading to all this evil.
No doubt. I have no doubt that Nazis and other right wingers think of us as intolerant of their point of view. I'm OK with that.
Yep, I am sure you are righteous and they aND those that disagree with your positions are all evil. There can't be any other answer.
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
And all it takes to be a racist now is to be accused.
No one here is defending racism. But when the left with the support of the media brand everyone that disagrees with them as racist, well it rings hollow.
As to antifa being "opposed to hate", that is a joke. the Yahbut argument doesn't work. The hatred and violence of the antifa movement is other side to the same coin. Using politics as an excuse to act on hate.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
I'm guessing that everyone here who is FOR free speech is completely OK with giving people the opportunity to speak- even if they disagree with them? How about the right to not speak- when doing so would advocate for something that a person's conscience won't allow them to support? I'm guessing those folks who are clutching their pearls in this thread would also be against that, right?
I would agree with the liberals here- if they weren't such damn hypocrites. Let's face it, they are not concerned with free speech. They are concerned with making sure that THEIR ability to speak is protected; they could give a damn about protecting the speech of those with whom they disagree. And, by the way, what liberals are doing now isn't "protesting"; it is THREATENING others who disagree with them. Or they are shutting down highways, airports, etc. It's been a LONG time since I found a liberal who was truly willing to support the free speech of someone with whom they disagreed. Meanwhile they will advocate for the silencing of anyone who doesn't spew liberal viewpoints; including calling for them to be fired, harassed or even harmed. But all of that is OK; because those people won't go to jail for their viewpoints... they'll just lose their job, reputations and possibly their good health. But the "government" won't be the one to take away their right to free, though, so it's OK... except for any Christian who doesn't want to be forced to endorse something they disagree with. Then it's OK for the government to fine/jail a person. Oh, and let's not forget about Obama's IRS going after conservatives... or journalists for that matter. When he went after a person's civil liberties, it was OK... 'cause, you know, HE was cool... and he hated the same things that other liberals hated.
The utter lack of self-awareness is sad... and no longer shocking. While some rail against the spectre of Trump limiting "free speech", many liberals cheered Obama (and various state governments) for their actual attacks on free speech. And even though it's not a "first amendment" issue, they ALSO cheer when various businesses do the same thing. So forgive me if I don't take their consternation seriously. As soon as they are willing to protect ALL speech... I'll be perfectly happy to stand with them in defending the first amendment (which, ironically, includes the freedom of religion- the right to practice my religion and put my faith into practice without government opposition). Let me know when you guys are actually interested in that and I'll be right there with you.
I'm 100% for "the right" to be able to go to college campuses and speak. I think what they say is inflammatory, false, and oftentimes dangerous, but I don't like how young millenials will go and shout them down, use airhorns, sign petitions to keep them away, etc. Not all of us "liberals" support that shit. The solution to alt-right silliness (Anne Coulter, Richard Spencer, Steve Bannon) is to let them speak, expose their ideas, and counter those.
ALL speech should be protected.
This has been my default approach. But it's not working. Damned if there aren't a gazillion good folks eager to buy in to the hate and ignorance. There's a far right-wing, openly racist, misogynistic and anti-gay candidate--just a real scumbag--poised to win the presidential election in Brazil right now. He's being called the Trump of the Tropics and he's following Very Stable Genius' game plan. Hate now has a foothold in the world again. I'm not a fan of the shouting down, but I also know that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
whats funny is that is exactly what motivates the people that are of the opposing view points as well....
IMO its all the action with little tolerance or attempting to see a position from anothers point of view is what is leading to all this evil.
No doubt. I have no doubt that Nazis and other right wingers think of us as intolerant of their point of view. I'm OK with that.
Yep, I am sure you are righteous and they aND those that disagree with your positions are all evil. There can't be any other answer.
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
And everybody that disagrees with the lefty lynch mob gets lumped into the racist nazi hate group. We can't be against the lefty movement without being raping racist haters.
Why do you insist on being like this? Nobody said that. I know plenty of very nice, tolerant people who voted for Trump. I know a lot of assholes who voted for him, and I know a lot of truly insane left-wing people that rant about how we should stop gendering our babies and such nonsense.
All I was saying was that, if there were EVER something you'd think people could agree on, it'd be that those dickbags marching with Tiki torches in Charlottesville last year are a low for America. But I guess that's even too much to ask.
Quote: @KingBash said:
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
2 things. First of all: it's hard to condemn all Nazi's... when that is what liberals call every person who disagrees with them. In other words, about 50% of the country are Nazi's. So... if we are going to agree that all Nazi's are evil, then we have to agree that all conservatives are evil. MAYBE if liberals (and conservatives, for that matter) stop calling everyone with whom they disagreed "Nazi's" we could actually come to some agreement on how we SHOULD feel about the German socialist party.
Second of all, what makes "white supremacists" worse than other bigots? If Adolph hates black people because of the color of their skin... how is that existentially different from John hating someone because they are a Christian? Or Jane hating Judy because she's a conservative... or a Trump voter?
How about if we say that ALL forms of bigotry are wrong?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
I'm guessing that everyone here who is FOR free speech is completely OK with giving people the opportunity to speak- even if they disagree with them? How about the right to not speak- when doing so would advocate for something that a person's conscience won't allow them to support? I'm guessing those folks who are clutching their pearls in this thread would also be against that, right?
I would agree with the liberals here- if they weren't such damn hypocrites. Let's face it, they are not concerned with free speech. They are concerned with making sure that THEIR ability to speak is protected; they could give a damn about protecting the speech of those with whom they disagree. And, by the way, what liberals are doing now isn't "protesting"; it is THREATENING others who disagree with them. Or they are shutting down highways, airports, etc. It's been a LONG time since I found a liberal who was truly willing to support the free speech of someone with whom they disagreed. Meanwhile they will advocate for the silencing of anyone who doesn't spew liberal viewpoints; including calling for them to be fired, harassed or even harmed. But all of that is OK; because those people won't go to jail for their viewpoints... they'll just lose their job, reputations and possibly their good health. But the "government" won't be the one to take away their right to free, though, so it's OK... except for any Christian who doesn't want to be forced to endorse something they disagree with. Then it's OK for the government to fine/jail a person. Oh, and let's not forget about Obama's IRS going after conservatives... or journalists for that matter. When he went after a person's civil liberties, it was OK... 'cause, you know, HE was cool... and he hated the same things that other liberals hated.
The utter lack of self-awareness is sad... and no longer shocking. While some rail against the spectre of Trump limiting "free speech", many liberals cheered Obama (and various state governments) for their actual attacks on free speech. And even though it's not a "first amendment" issue, they ALSO cheer when various businesses do the same thing. So forgive me if I don't take their consternation seriously. As soon as they are willing to protect ALL speech... I'll be perfectly happy to stand with them in defending the first amendment (which, ironically, includes the freedom of religion- the right to practice my religion and put my faith into practice without government opposition). Let me know when you guys are actually interested in that and I'll be right there with you.
I'm 100% for "the right" to be able to go to college campuses and speak. I think what they say is inflammatory, false, and oftentimes dangerous, but I don't like how young millenials will go and shout them down, use airhorns, sign petitions to keep them away, etc. Not all of us "liberals" support that shit. The solution to alt-right silliness (Anne Coulter, Richard Spencer, Steve Bannon) is to let them speak, expose their ideas, and counter those.
ALL speech should be protected.
This has been my default approach. But it's not working. Damned if there aren't a gazillion good folks eager to buy in to the hate and ignorance. There's a far right-wing, openly racist, misogynistic and anti-gay candidate--just a real scumbag--poised to win the presidential election in Brazil right now. He's being called the Trump of the Tropics and he's following Very Stable Genius' game plan. Hate now has a foothold in the world again. I'm not a fan of the shouting down, but I also know that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
whats funny is that is exactly what motivates the people that are of the opposing view points as well....
IMO its all the action with little tolerance or attempting to see a position from anothers point of view is what is leading to all this evil.
No doubt. I have no doubt that Nazis and other right wingers think of us as intolerant of their point of view. I'm OK with that.
You already address this in pumpfs question below. But doesn't that sentence right there "other right wingers" put everyone right of you on the political spectrum in the same bucket as you just put the Nazis??
Its not just you Maroon, I'm a fiscal conservative libertarian. I think the government should by and large get out of our lives but when government it required it should transpire on a local level where the local constituents can hold their elected official much more in check.
By thinking that way, I've been labeled a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, rapist, right winger nut job by those who are left of me. Lefties have been calling me a Trumptard (didn't even vote for him) or Nazi or whatever the term of the day is today to bring down/marginalize any opinion that is different then their own. Whats funny is I'm left of them on certain social issues.
Trump is pretty darn toxic all on his own but the hate that is flowing is a two way street. I've never seen news coverage so blatantly biased. Its never been so bad that you have to fact check every article online independently because quotes get tangled up and miss represented just like the article that was posted.
Whats worse is I don't know the way out of this??? Looking at polls I honestly think team Red is going to hold onto the house and the senate. The waterworks that will flow from MSNBC/NY Times etc will be ridiculous again. I can't imagine what 2020 will look like. Trump doubling down? Team Blue pulling out all the stops? A shit show is coming of epic proportions.
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I don't excuse the behavior of Antifa, but it's important to remember that on one side you have people who hate and on the other, people who are opposed to that hate. Both are wrong in their methods, but if I were going to choose a side, it's not hard for me to decide which one. As a big fan of Jesus, Ghandi and MLK, I think the anti-racists and anti-fascists would be more effective if they chose a non-violent approach, but then people often ask why the Jews didn't fight back as they were herded to their deaths. What would it look like if they had?
Wait... so it's OK for Antifa to hate... because they're doing it in the name of stopping hate? That makes about as much sense has destroying property and physically (and verbally) attacking other people in the name of peace. Or staging massive, month-long protests... and then leaving behind so much waste / trash that it takes millions of dollars to clean it up... in the name of taking care of the earth.
As for the rest of your analogy, it falls apart because you are presupposing things not in evidence. You BELIEVE that Trump is going to be bad for America; therefore any form of resistance is- in some way- justified. Well, I BELIEVED (and I think I've been proven correct- at least about a couple of things) that Obama was going to be bad for America. Does that mean that I had the right to gather of mob of like-minded individuals and attack those who disagreed with me? Would I have had the right to persecute / terrify my state senators because they are Democrats? For that matter, are you saying that it's now OK to blow-up abortion clinics... because the "ends justifies the means". That DOES seem to be your argument; yet I don't think that you would support that philosophy for all people; just those that you agree with.
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@ KingBash said:
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
2 things. First of all: it's hard to condemn all Nazi's... when that is what liberals call every person who disagrees with them. In other words, about 50% of the country are Nazi's. So... if we are going to agree that all Nazi's are evil, then we have to agree that all conservatives are evil. MAYBE if liberals (and conservatives, for that matter) stop calling everyone with whom they disagreed "Nazi's" we could actually come to some agreement on how we SHOULD feel about the German socialist party.
Second of all, what makes "white supremacists" worse than other bigots? If Adolph hates black people because of the color of their skin... how is that existentially different from John hating someone because they are a Christian? Or Jane hating Judy because she's a conservative... or a Trump voter?
How about if we say that ALL forms of bigotry are wrong?
It's just so telling you'd rather burn your calories on this topic than just agree that white supremacists are douchebags.
How are white supremacists worse than somebody thinking Christians are assholes? Or somebody hating Trump voters? I dunno, one group believes Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. are subhuman and should be exterminated whereas perhaps John or Jane are disgusted with religious hypocrisy and Trump's mental illness... Yeah, one in the same!
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
I'm guessing that everyone here who is FOR free speech is completely OK with giving people the opportunity to speak- even if they disagree with them? How about the right to not speak- when doing so would advocate for something that a person's conscience won't allow them to support? I'm guessing those folks who are clutching their pearls in this thread would also be against that, right?
I would agree with the liberals here- if they weren't such damn hypocrites. Let's face it, they are not concerned with free speech. They are concerned with making sure that THEIR ability to speak is protected; they could give a damn about protecting the speech of those with whom they disagree. And, by the way, what liberals are doing now isn't "protesting"; it is THREATENING others who disagree with them. Or they are shutting down highways, airports, etc. It's been a LONG time since I found a liberal who was truly willing to support the free speech of someone with whom they disagreed. Meanwhile they will advocate for the silencing of anyone who doesn't spew liberal viewpoints; including calling for them to be fired, harassed or even harmed. But all of that is OK; because those people won't go to jail for their viewpoints... they'll just lose their job, reputations and possibly their good health. But the "government" won't be the one to take away their right to free, though, so it's OK... except for any Christian who doesn't want to be forced to endorse something they disagree with. Then it's OK for the government to fine/jail a person. Oh, and let's not forget about Obama's IRS going after conservatives... or journalists for that matter. When he went after a person's civil liberties, it was OK... 'cause, you know, HE was cool... and he hated the same things that other liberals hated.
The utter lack of self-awareness is sad... and no longer shocking. While some rail against the spectre of Trump limiting "free speech", many liberals cheered Obama (and various state governments) for their actual attacks on free speech. And even though it's not a "first amendment" issue, they ALSO cheer when various businesses do the same thing. So forgive me if I don't take their consternation seriously. As soon as they are willing to protect ALL speech... I'll be perfectly happy to stand with them in defending the first amendment (which, ironically, includes the freedom of religion- the right to practice my religion and put my faith into practice without government opposition). Let me know when you guys are actually interested in that and I'll be right there with you.
I'm 100% for "the right" to be able to go to college campuses and speak. I think what they say is inflammatory, false, and oftentimes dangerous, but I don't like how young millenials will go and shout them down, use airhorns, sign petitions to keep them away, etc. Not all of us "liberals" support that shit. The solution to alt-right silliness (Anne Coulter, Richard Spencer, Steve Bannon) is to let them speak, expose their ideas, and counter those.
ALL speech should be protected.
This has been my default approach. But it's not working. Damned if there aren't a gazillion good folks eager to buy in to the hate and ignorance. There's a far right-wing, openly racist, misogynistic and anti-gay candidate--just a real scumbag--poised to win the presidential election in Brazil right now. He's being called the Trump of the Tropics and he's following Very Stable Genius' game plan. Hate now has a foothold in the world again. I'm not a fan of the shouting down, but I also know that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
whats funny is that is exactly what motivates the people that are of the opposing view points as well....
IMO its all the action with little tolerance or attempting to see a position from anothers point of view is what is leading to all this evil.
No doubt. I have no doubt that Nazis and other right wingers think of us as intolerant of their point of view. I'm OK with that.
Yep, I am sure you are righteous and they aND those that disagree with your positions are all evil. There can't be any other answer.
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
And everybody that disagrees with the lefty lynch mob gets lumped into the racist nazi hate group. We can't be against the lefty movement without being raping racist haters.
Not only raping racists but gang raping racists.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
2 things. First of all: it's hard to condemn all Nazi's... when that is what liberals call every person who disagrees with them. In other words, about 50% of the country are Nazi's. So... if we are going to agree that all Nazi's are evil, then we have to agree that all conservatives are evil. MAYBE if liberals (and conservatives, for that matter) stop calling everyone with whom they disagreed "Nazi's" we could actually come to some agreement on how we SHOULD feel about the German socialist party.
Second of all, what makes "white supremacists" worse than other bigots? If Adolph hates black people because of the color of their skin... how is that existentially different from John hating someone because they are a Christian? Or Jane hating Judy because she's a conservative... or a Trump voter?
How about if we say that ALL forms of bigotry are wrong?
It's just so telling you'd rather burn your calories on this topic than just agree that white supremacists are douchebags.
How are white supremacists worse than somebody thinking Christians are assholes? Or somebody hating Trump voters? I dunno, one group believes Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. are subhuman and should be exterminated whereas perhaps John or Jane are disgusted with religious hypocrisy and Trump's mental illness... Yeah, one in the same!
White supremacists can kiss my behind. They are terrible human beings. Everyone is a human regardless of their skin color. Now can the left not call me a Nazi bigoted gang rapist because I believe my children are better off not in the public school system or that I believe everyone should have to work for their dinner?
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
Nazis and white supremacists are evil, yes. There can't be other answer.
Why do people insist on taking this stance? Fuck 'em! Nobody is excusing the behavior of antifa, but let's all agree as a benchmark starting place, fuck Nazis. Seems pretty reasonable to me!
2 things. First of all: it's hard to condemn all Nazi's... when that is what liberals call every person who disagrees with them. In other words, about 50% of the country are Nazi's. So... if we are going to agree that all Nazi's are evil, then we have to agree that all conservatives are evil. MAYBE if liberals (and conservatives, for that matter) stop calling everyone with whom they disagreed "Nazi's" we could actually come to some agreement on how we SHOULD feel about the German socialist party.
Second of all, what makes "white supremacists" worse than other bigots? If Adolph hates black people because of the color of their skin... how is that existentially different from John hating someone because they are a Christian? Or Jane hating Judy because she's a conservative... or a Trump voter?
How about if we say that ALL forms of bigotry are wrong?
It's just so telling you'd rather burn your calories on this topic than just agree that white supremacists are douchebags.
How are white supremacists worse than somebody thinking Christians are assholes? Or somebody hating Trump voters? I dunno, one group believes Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. are subhuman and should be exterminated whereas perhaps John or Jane are disgusted with religious hypocrisy and Trump's mental illness... Yeah, one in the same!
And that you would rather burn calories justifying certain bigotry over another.
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