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TBro · 10-01-2018, 01:03 AM

Is it just me, or does it seem like every team in this league forgot how to play defense? To see a team like Cleveland who has a solid defense
give up 45 points to the Raiders in a OT loss is just one example of how this year so far has been nothing but offensive shootouts.

If the Vikings can just figure out how to be at or slightly above average on defense for the rest of the year, our offense can certainly put up enough points to win games even without a running game. The question is, can Zimmer do it? I'm having my doubts with how we have been exploited since last year. Without a pass rush, our zone schemes will continue to get picked apart.

10-01-2018, 01:11 AM

The league wants shootouts, it's arena ball now. How sad is it that we are hoping for the defense to be at or below average. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

10-01-2018, 01:18 AM

Quote: @Vikergirl said:
The league wants shootouts, it's arena ball now. How sad is it that we are hoping for the defense to be at or below average. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Vikergirl,

I corrected my original post as I meant to say at or slightly above average, but compared to where we were in the early part of 2017 it's still very sad indeed.

10-01-2018, 01:28 AM

Quote: @TBro said:

@Vikergirl said:
The league wants shootouts, it's arena ball now. How sad is it that we are hoping for the defense to be at or below average. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Vikergirl,

I corrected my original post as I meant to say at or slightly above average, but compared to where we were in the early part of 2017 it's still very sad indeed.

Yeah that would be better and yes it's still sad. I think the defensive philosophy might have to change in order to move forward. I am encouraged by the offense. That's something to build on. I didn't watch the Browns game, how was the officiating? It was a football free weekend for me.

10-01-2018, 01:49 AM

IT's like some kind of switch was turned on this season...

I will admit my faith has been shaken since the Eagles game through much of this season. Gotta still have hope this early on. The Bears are the eye-openers for me so far.

We're going to be facing an Eagles team returning home after losing, I hope we're the angrier bunch this weekend.

10-01-2018, 01:52 AM

Quote: @Vikergirl said:

@TBro said:

@Vikergirl said:
The league wants shootouts, it's arena ball now. How sad is it that we are hoping for the defense to be at or below average. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Vikergirl,

I corrected my original post as I meant to say at or slightly above average, but compared to where we were in the early part of 2017 it's still very sad indeed.
Yeah that would be better and yes it's still sad. I think the defensive philosophy might have to change in order to move forward. I am encouraged by the offense. That's something to build on. I didn't watch the Browns game, how was the officiating? It was a football free weekend for me.

The worst officiating in terms of blown calls I can recall in a long time. The refs put a big bow on the win for the raiders reversing a first down for no good reason that would have sealed the game, and blowing a play dead on an obvious Carr fumble that likely would have been run back for a TD. That crew should be grounded.

10-01-2018, 02:13 AM

Quote: @mgobluevikes said:

@Vikergirl said:

@TBro said:

@Vikergirl said:
The league wants shootouts, it's arena ball now. How sad is it that we are hoping for the defense to be at or below average. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Vikergirl,

I corrected my original post as I meant to say at or slightly above average, but compared to where we were in the early part of 2017 it's still very sad indeed.
Yeah that would be better and yes it's still sad. I think the defensive philosophy might have to change in order to move forward. I am encouraged by the offense. That's something to build on. I didn't watch the Browns game, how was the officiating? It was a football free weekend for me.
The worst officiating in terms of blown calls I can recall in a long time. The refs put a big bow on the win for the raiders reversing a first down for no good reason that would have sealed the game, and blowing a play dead on an obvious Carr fumble that likely would have been run back for a TD. That crew should be grounded.

Oh wow. That royally sucks but not surprising. I will expect more of that from now on because they are pushing this new brand of football. They had to help the Raiders because they were hyping them like crazy. Cleveland broke their winless streak last game now it was the Raiders turn.

10-01-2018, 02:39 AM

From what I understand there is at least (if not more) 10 QBs right now that are over 70% completion rate. Last year at this time just one (drew brees). Pitch and Catch.

10-01-2018, 10:27 AM

Quote: @kmillard said:
From what I understand there is at least (if not more) 10 QBs right now that are over 70% completion rate. Last year at this time just one (drew brees). Pitch and Catch.

Rk		Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp% ▼	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD
1	Drew Brees	NOR	39	QB	3	3	2-1-0	104	129	80.6	1078	8	6.2	0	0.0	42	8.4	9.6	10.4	359.3	122.2	5	42	7.73	8.93	3.7	2	2
2	Derek Carr	OAK	27	QB	3	3	0-3-0	85	111	76.6	936	2	1.8	5	4.5	66	8.4	6.8	11.0	312.0	88.3	5	30	7.81	6.22	4.3
3	Eli Manning	NYG	37	QB	3	3	1-2-0	81	110	73.6	800	3	2.7	1	0.9	37	7.3	7.4	9.9	266.7	99.1	12	105	5.70	5.82	9.8
4	Ryan Tannehill	MIA	30	QB	3	3	3-0-0	54	74	73.0	687	7	9.5	2	2.7	75	9.3	10.0	12.7	229.0	121.8	6	63	7.80	8.43	7.5	1	1
5	Jared Goff	LAR	24	QB	4	4	4-0-0	97	134	72.4	1406	11	8.2	2	1.5	70	10.5	11.5	14.5	351.5	127.3	5	33	9.88	10.81	3.6
6	Ryan Fitzpatrick	TAM	36	QB	3	3	2-1-0	78	111	70.3	1230	11	9.9	4	3.6	75	11.1	11.4	15.8	410.0	124.8	5	28	10.36	10.71	4.3
7	Philip Rivers	LAC	37	QB	3	3	1-2-0	75	108	69.4	906	8	7.4	1	0.9	42	8.4	9.5	12.1	302.0	115.7	4	26	7.86	8.88	3.6
8	Kirk Cousins	MIN	30	QB	4	4	1-2-1	131	189	69.3	1387	10	5.3	2	1.1	75	7.3	7.9	10.6	346.8	103.6	13	78	6.48	7.02	6.4	1	0
9	Mitch Trubisky	CHI	24	QB	3	3	2-1-0	72	104	69.2	591	2	1.9	3	2.9	39	5.7	4.8	8.2	197.0	77.8	9	57	4.73	3.88	8.0	1	1
10	Alex Smith	WAS	34	QB	3	3	2-1-0	66	96	68.8	767	4	4.2	1	1.0	52	8.0	8.4	11.6	255.7	102.2	6	31	7.22	7.56	5.9

10-01-2018, 10:32 AM

Quote: @kmillard said:
From what I understand there is at least (if not more) 10 QBs right now that are over 70% completion rate. Last year at this time just one (drew brees). Pitch and Catch.

I've mentioned it a few times while talking about why our defense is lackluster. We seem to have forgotten that there is new emphasis on illegal contact and defensive holding on the dbacks, with a receiver allowed to run free after 5 yards, and offensive players allowed to block at the line of scrimmage without it being offensive interference or other prior to the catch....What's a defender supposed to do? IMO they should jam every route and hope for the best but that's only going to work if the pass rush can get home quickly.