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Flip is a great interview and says all the right things. Comes off as a highly intelligent offensive guru.
However, his schemes and playcalling so far have been lackluster at best. We definitely have had
some great moments like the Packers game, but far too often this offense is stagnant.
Here are a few of my concerns:
Zero balance-Throw out the stats for the Bills game due to giving up 17 points in the 1st quarter, and
the run/pass balance that we are used to seeing from this team is non-existent.
84 passing attempts the first two games vs 50 rushing attempts is making this team predictable and
one-dimensional. That's a 60/40 mix before you throw in the Bills game.
There is nowhere to run. Our backs are getting hit at or behind the line on just about every rushing attempt
so any yardage they make seems to be based purely on individual effort and athletic talent. Right now our rushing
attack is dysfunctional. A two yard gain for most teams is a gimme. Not with this line and the schemes we are
running.
Calling third down plays where the routes are short of the sticks. RAC is great when it happens, but that is
not a high percentage play on a third down conversion when corners are playing tight coverage.
TE's are missing from the passing game. We heard all offseason how Flip loves to use the TE's. Out of 138
passing attempts this year for Cousins, our TE's have only been targeted 18 times. When Reiff was struggling
to block Jerry Hughes, why not put a TE on that side to chip him and release for a quick pass? I think I saw
one attempt to provide help to Reiff with a TE and it ended up in a blown assignment.
Cousins holding the ball too long. There is equal blame to go around on this one but some of the route designs
to push the ball downfield are forcing Cousins to hold on to the ball too long waiting for things to develop with
a line that is struggling with consistent protection. One of his fumbles was a direct result of Cousins holding on
to the ball too long which was a huge game changing mistake that can't happen.
Obviously this offense is a work in progress. With a new coordinator and QB, we are using the regular season
as a testing ground to implement his full system that was not unveiled in the pre-season. My concern is that
by the time we settle in on who will be our offensive line moving forward, and Flip and the team figures out
what works in his system, this season will be lost in a very competitive NFC. All of that may not matter if Zimmer
continues to have his super stars on defense not show up for games, get outcoached, and get back to becoming
a cohesive shut down unit this teams needs them to be. I guess we will see if they can right the ship against the
Rams and Eagles to prove if they are for real this year.
I agree, and I'm not too impressed. For now, it looks like we've downgraded quite a bit at OC and playcalling. I was expecting an up tempo offense with lots of misdirection leaving receivers open and gaping running lanes like Philly had last year. This offense doesn't look anything like Philly's, IMO. We look rather slow, plodding, and predictable. Things better start clicking Thursday night, or this team will get buried quickly.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
I agree, and I'm not too impressed. For now, it looks like we've downgraded quite a bit at OC and playcalling. I was expecting an up tempo offense with lots of misdirection leaving receivers open and gaping running lanes like Philly had last year. This offense doesn't look anything like Philly's, IMO. We look rather slow, plodding, and predictable. Things better start clicking Thursday night, or this team will get buried quickly.
I think it's becoming quite clear how much Pederson was the real brain child behind the success of their offense and the in game playcalling.
Im really bothered by our lack of commitment to running the ball. I think flip beat stefanski by experience factor only. The league has trended toward misdirection in the last couple years and i dont see much of that in our O. it looks like we are lining up and trying to beat people 1-1.
im a little down on the O in terms of imagination. i dont need razzle dazzle but we at least
need to figure out how to slow down a pass rush if we are not going to establish a run game
Quote: @TBro said:
Flip is a great interview and says all the right things. Comes off as a highly intelligent offensive guru.
However, his schemes and playcalling so far have been lackluster at best. We definitely have had
some great moments like the Packers game, but far too often this offense is stagnant.
Here are a few of my concerns:
Zero balance-Throw out the stats for the Bills game due to giving up 17 points in the 1st quarter, and
the run/pass balance that we are used to seeing from this team is non-existent.
84 passing attempts the first two games vs 50 rushing attempts is making this team predictable and
one-dimensional. That's a 60/40 mix before you throw in the Bills game.
There is nowhere to run. Our backs are getting hit at or behind the line on just about every rushing attempt
so any yardage they make seems to be based purely on individual effort and athletic talent. Right now our rushing
attack is dysfunctional. A two yard gain for most teams is a gimme. Not with this line and the schemes we are
running.
Calling third down plays where the routes are short of the sticks. RAC is great when it happens, but that is
not a high percentage play on a third down conversion when corners are playing tight coverage.
TE's are missing from the passing game. We heard all offseason how Flip loves to use the TE's. Out of 138
passing attempts this year for Cousins, our TE's have only been targeted 18 times. When Reiff was struggling
to block Jerry Hughes, why not put a TE on that side to chip him and release for a quick pass? I think I saw
one attempt to provide help to Reiff with a TE and it ended up in a blown assignment.
Cousins holding the ball too long. There is equal blame to go around on this one but some of the route designs
to push the ball downfield are forcing Cousins to hold on to the ball too long waiting for things to develop with
a line that is struggling with consistent protection. One of his fumbles was a direct result of Cousins holding on
to the ball too long which was a huge game changing mistake that can't happen.
Obviously this offense is a work in progress. With a new coordinator and QB, we are using the regular season
as a testing ground to implement his full system that was not unveiled in the pre-season. My concern is that
by the time we settle in on who will be our offensive line moving forward, and Flip and the team figures out
what works in his system, this season will be lost in a very competitive NFC. All of that may not matter if Zimmer
continues to have his super stars on defense not show up for games, get outcoached, and get back to becoming
a cohesive shut down unit this teams needs them to be. I guess we will see if they can right the ship against the
Rams and Eagles to prove if they are for real this year.
You make some good points, but I will say, if you throw out Buffalo, we are 1-0-1 with a great comeback to tie at a division rival's house. If you throw out Buffalo, then throw it out, don't use it to make points about how bad the offense was.
That said, I agree somewhat. Flip hasn't hit a good stride yet except for the hurry up offense against GB. But ignoring the Treadwell tipped INT, Cousins was looking pretty dang good.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ TBro said:
Flip is a great interview and says all the right things. Comes off as a highly intelligent offensive guru.
However, his schemes and playcalling so far have been lackluster at best. We definitely have had
some great moments like the Packers game, but far too often this offense is stagnant.
Here are a few of my concerns:
Zero balance-Throw out the stats for the Bills game due to giving up 17 points in the 1st quarter, and
the run/pass balance that we are used to seeing from this team is non-existent.
84 passing attempts the first two games vs 50 rushing attempts is making this team predictable and
one-dimensional. That's a 60/40 mix before you throw in the Bills game.
There is nowhere to run. Our backs are getting hit at or behind the line on just about every rushing attempt
so any yardage they make seems to be based purely on individual effort and athletic talent. Right now our rushing
attack is dysfunctional. A two yard gain for most teams is a gimme. Not with this line and the schemes we are
running.
Calling third down plays where the routes are short of the sticks. RAC is great when it happens, but that is
not a high percentage play on a third down conversion when corners are playing tight coverage.
TE's are missing from the passing game. We heard all offseason how Flip loves to use the TE's. Out of 138
passing attempts this year for Cousins, our TE's have only been targeted 18 times. When Reiff was struggling
to block Jerry Hughes, why not put a TE on that side to chip him and release for a quick pass? I think I saw
one attempt to provide help to Reiff with a TE and it ended up in a blown assignment.
Cousins holding the ball too long. There is equal blame to go around on this one but some of the route designs
to push the ball downfield are forcing Cousins to hold on to the ball too long waiting for things to develop with
a line that is struggling with consistent protection. One of his fumbles was a direct result of Cousins holding on
to the ball too long which was a huge game changing mistake that can't happen.
Obviously this offense is a work in progress. With a new coordinator and QB, we are using the regular season
as a testing ground to implement his full system that was not unveiled in the pre-season. My concern is that
by the time we settle in on who will be our offensive line moving forward, and Flip and the team figures out
what works in his system, this season will be lost in a very competitive NFC. All of that may not matter if Zimmer
continues to have his super stars on defense not show up for games, get outcoached, and get back to becoming
a cohesive shut down unit this teams needs them to be. I guess we will see if they can right the ship against the
Rams and Eagles to prove if they are for real this year.
You make some good points, but I will say, if you throw out Buffalo, we are 1-0-1 with a great comeback to tie at a division rival's house. If you throw out Buffalo, then throw it out, don't use it to make points about how bad the offense was.
That said, I agree somewhat. Flip hasn't hit a good stride yet except for the hurry up offense against GB. But ignoring the Treadwell tipped INT, Cousins was looking pretty dang good.
I understand your point about throwing out the Bills game, but the issues I listed are not exclusive to the Bills game. They have been happening all three games.
Tight Ends have all but disappeared.
Seriously...why suit them up or pay them?Want Rudolph to have a big night in LA
Quote: @TBro said:
@ greediron said:
@ TBro said:
Flip is a great interview and says all the right things. Comes off as a highly intelligent offensive guru.
However, his schemes and playcalling so far have been lackluster at best. We definitely have had
some great moments like the Packers game, but far too often this offense is stagnant.
Here are a few of my concerns:
Zero balance-Throw out the stats for the Bills game due to giving up 17 points in the 1st quarter, and
the run/pass balance that we are used to seeing from this team is non-existent.
84 passing attempts the first two games vs 50 rushing attempts is making this team predictable and
one-dimensional. That's a 60/40 mix before you throw in the Bills game.
There is nowhere to run. Our backs are getting hit at or behind the line on just about every rushing attempt
so any yardage they make seems to be based purely on individual effort and athletic talent. Right now our rushing
attack is dysfunctional. A two yard gain for most teams is a gimme. Not with this line and the schemes we are
running.
Calling third down plays where the routes are short of the sticks. RAC is great when it happens, but that is
not a high percentage play on a third down conversion when corners are playing tight coverage.
TE's are missing from the passing game. We heard all offseason how Flip loves to use the TE's. Out of 138
passing attempts this year for Cousins, our TE's have only been targeted 18 times. When Reiff was struggling
to block Jerry Hughes, why not put a TE on that side to chip him and release for a quick pass? I think I saw
one attempt to provide help to Reiff with a TE and it ended up in a blown assignment.
Cousins holding the ball too long. There is equal blame to go around on this one but some of the route designs
to push the ball downfield are forcing Cousins to hold on to the ball too long waiting for things to develop with
a line that is struggling with consistent protection. One of his fumbles was a direct result of Cousins holding on
to the ball too long which was a huge game changing mistake that can't happen.
Obviously this offense is a work in progress. With a new coordinator and QB, we are using the regular season
as a testing ground to implement his full system that was not unveiled in the pre-season. My concern is that
by the time we settle in on who will be our offensive line moving forward, and Flip and the team figures out
what works in his system, this season will be lost in a very competitive NFC. All of that may not matter if Zimmer
continues to have his super stars on defense not show up for games, get outcoached, and get back to becoming
a cohesive shut down unit this teams needs them to be. I guess we will see if they can right the ship against the
Rams and Eagles to prove if they are for real this year.
You make some good points, but I will say, if you throw out Buffalo, we are 1-0-1 with a great comeback to tie at a division rival's house. If you throw out Buffalo, then throw it out, don't use it to make points about how bad the offense was.
That said, I agree somewhat. Flip hasn't hit a good stride yet except for the hurry up offense against GB. But ignoring the Treadwell tipped INT, Cousins was looking pretty dang good.
I understand your point about throwing out the Bills game, but the issues I listed are not exclusive to the Bills game. They have been happening all three games.
The running game has been a problem for sure. But the holding the ball and routes short of the sticks certainly seemed to be directed at the Bills game.
But as I said, I agree. There is cause for concern. He certainly hasn't been an upgrade so far, but it is early and lots of changing pieces. So I am still hopeful.
Quote: @Vanguard83 said:
Tight Ends have all but disappeared.
Seriously...why suit them up or pay them?Want Rudolph to have a big night in LA
its harder to get a TE into a game consistently when they are having to stay in and help block, especially when the ball is still having to come out quickly, just not enough time for them to finish their chip and then get into a pattern and for Cousins to find them very often.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ TBro said:
@ greediron said:
@ TBro said:
Flip is a great interview and says all the right things. Comes off as a highly intelligent offensive guru.
However, his schemes and playcalling so far have been lackluster at best. We definitely have had
some great moments like the Packers game, but far too often this offense is stagnant.
Here are a few of my concerns:
Zero balance-Throw out the stats for the Bills game due to giving up 17 points in the 1st quarter, and
the run/pass balance that we are used to seeing from this team is non-existent.
84 passing attempts the first two games vs 50 rushing attempts is making this team predictable and
one-dimensional. That's a 60/40 mix before you throw in the Bills game.
There is nowhere to run. Our backs are getting hit at or behind the line on just about every rushing attempt
so any yardage they make seems to be based purely on individual effort and athletic talent. Right now our rushing
attack is dysfunctional. A two yard gain for most teams is a gimme. Not with this line and the schemes we are
running.
Calling third down plays where the routes are short of the sticks. RAC is great when it happens, but that is
not a high percentage play on a third down conversion when corners are playing tight coverage.
TE's are missing from the passing game. We heard all offseason how Flip loves to use the TE's. Out of 138
passing attempts this year for Cousins, our TE's have only been targeted 18 times. When Reiff was struggling
to block Jerry Hughes, why not put a TE on that side to chip him and release for a quick pass? I think I saw
one attempt to provide help to Reiff with a TE and it ended up in a blown assignment.
Cousins holding the ball too long. There is equal blame to go around on this one but some of the route designs
to push the ball downfield are forcing Cousins to hold on to the ball too long waiting for things to develop with
a line that is struggling with consistent protection. One of his fumbles was a direct result of Cousins holding on
to the ball too long which was a huge game changing mistake that can't happen.
Obviously this offense is a work in progress. With a new coordinator and QB, we are using the regular season
as a testing ground to implement his full system that was not unveiled in the pre-season. My concern is that
by the time we settle in on who will be our offensive line moving forward, and Flip and the team figures out
what works in his system, this season will be lost in a very competitive NFC. All of that may not matter if Zimmer
continues to have his super stars on defense not show up for games, get outcoached, and get back to becoming
a cohesive shut down unit this teams needs them to be. I guess we will see if they can right the ship against the
Rams and Eagles to prove if they are for real this year.
You make some good points, but I will say, if you throw out Buffalo, we are 1-0-1 with a great comeback to tie at a division rival's house. If you throw out Buffalo, then throw it out, don't use it to make points about how bad the offense was.
That said, I agree somewhat. Flip hasn't hit a good stride yet except for the hurry up offense against GB. But ignoring the Treadwell tipped INT, Cousins was looking pretty dang good.
I understand your point about throwing out the Bills game, but the issues I listed are not exclusive to the Bills game. They have been happening all three games.
The running game has been a problem for sure. But the holding the ball and routes short of the sticks certainly seemed to be directed at the Bills game.
But as I said, I agree. There is cause for concern. He certainly hasn't been an upgrade so far, but it is early and lots of changing pieces. So I am still hopeful.
I think Cousins internal clock was an issue early on, they were coming after him and he was looking for home runs when he should have been taking flight or throwing it away. obviously the line was/is and issue, but as the QB he has to know that and take that into account. he was a tick or two slow all day. something was in his head from the first snap of the game IMO.
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