Hmmm
A game owned by Billionaires and very very profitable. Reminds me of the Gladiator days and the Emperor giving the thumbs up or down to appease the crowd. Thumbs up for your guy and thumbs down for their guy.
The NFL is exposed by the CTE issue that paid the players before 2014 a total of about 750 million dollars. But I am not sure if you have to prove CTE to get funding for medical treatment? I doubt every player who has cognitive issue is eligible to be part of that fund
I also don't think the vast majority of players before the 1980's thought they would lose their minds playing the game. Yes physical ailments are expected and s shortened life span but not dribbling in your 60's.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
A "non-profit" organization pays it's commissioner $50million. Ex-players don't have a clue which room of the house they are standing in or who the guy calling them Dad is.
Ask. Sue. I have zero problems with it.
That's twice you've mentioned the NFL is a "non-profit" organization.
If I'm following you, I think you're conflating the NFL's previous "tax-exempt status" (which applied only to the league office, not the teams/individual players) with "non-profit".
The NFL withdrew their tax-exempt (non-profit) status in 2015.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
Quote: theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings. i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick
LOL.
7 of the signatories to that letter are Medicare eligible.
The rest that aren't... the NFL provides 'vested vets' which all are, 5 years of health insurance, post NFL retirement.
For example... Marshall Faulk, who is 45. When he retired from the NFL, he had 5 years health insurance.
Since he is now gainfully employed by the NFL network, I'm sure he enjoys health insurance/coverage.
Annual salary?
I thought they were all deeply honored to just put on the gold jacket?
Whoever thought HOF football players were going to be the next victims of such injustice?
Quote: @savannahskol said:
@ Bullazin said:
Quote: theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings. i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick
LOL.
7 of the signatories to that letter are Medicare eligible.
The rest that aren't... the NFL provides 'vested vets' which all are, 5 years of health insurance, post NFL retirement.
For example... Marshall Faulk, who is 45. When he retired from the NFL, he had 5 years health insurance.
Since he is now gainfully employed by the NFL network, I'm sure he enjoys health insurance/coverage.
Annual salary?
I thought they were all deeply honored to just put on the gold jacket?
Whoever thought HOF football players were going to be the next victims of such injustice?
You think you get it? lol
Quote: @Kentis said:
@ BigAl99 said:
No problems, seems like a reasonable request. Remember Karl Kassulke and some of the other former players who left everything on the field.
Wow, there’s a name from the past. That motorcycle accident put him in a wheelchair but it never cushed his spirit. RIP Karl.
I was actually thinking of Wally Hilgenberg he died of ALS. But Karl was one bad ass safety, Ed Sharockman was also part of that original backfield. One of those three had a patented clothesline tackle that was the origin of the term "de-cleating" and also led to a significant rule change.
After having read the letter. I think it could have been penned less aggressively. "We demand" or else. Sound alot like a random note.
I still agree that the NFL should cover their medical insurance for all former players. Those enshrined should get money for the use of their likeness and accomplishments. I don't think they should be forced to sign away rights for the honor. If they even are asked to. I don't know. Just some have brought it up. That sounds like extortion. If you don't sign away rights to your greatest honor you can't be inducted. Who wouldn't?
Wow, I didn't know that vested vets only get 5 years of medical coverage post retirement. Most of these guys are retiring in their mid-30's at best and the physical and mental/cognitive issues aren't going to show up until their mid to late 40's like Junior Seau. Most are going to be well into their 50's before they notice a decline.
Geez with all the money involved in this league with Billionaire owners I think they could do a lot more for their former Gladiators.
I know many people will look at it and say "that is more then I will ever get" and an element of jealousy can set in for some people. But did you "work" in an industry where your average career was 3.5 years and has a very high rate of physical and mental breakdowns by your mid 40's
I obviously support much better health care coverage for all NFL players.
The salary thing for HOF is interesting and I don't really understand what is going on here. Meaning, does the HOF and NFL use the HOF'ers images etc to promote and do they currently give any kind of royalty to those players they do use? If they are using a players image then just like with other "entertainers" they should be compensated for that use on a per use basis. A salary is asking for way too much IMO. But again I would support a royalty if anyone wanted to use my image. But maybe they already do, I don't know.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
theres alot more of this as you know in the apostolic writings. i think our religion is pretty clear on this subject of caring for the sick
Yes, it is: WE as individuals. Not "we" as corporations (or governments). Jesus didn't "outsource" the work of His Kingdom; He called US to do it. Therefore, if you believe that the HOFers should be getting taken care of, YOU should be the one doing it. You can't actually think that the Apostles saw the needs of the people... and then forced OTHER people to take care of them. They, themselves, took it upon themselves to care for the sick.
If you think that businesses and governments ought to be obligated by the Christian faith to follow the teachings of Christ, then you can't stop just with "economic /social justice" issues. That theocratic rule would also apply to same-sex relationships (not just marriages), abortion, divorce, teaching Darwinian evolution in schools, banning prayer, etc...
But since we live in a representative republic (in theory, anyway), we don't make our laws submit to Biblical laws. Sometimes they agree with the moral virtues of Christianity; sometimes they don't. But we're not a theocracy. On the other hand, we (as Christians) are the Church (which is an extension of Christ's rule on earth). So, if you want to say that the Church should be caring for the sick, I'd agree with you.
Quote: @minny65 said:
Hmmm
A game owned by Billionaires and very very profitable. Reminds me of the Gladiator days and the Emperor giving the thumbs up or down to appease the crowd. Thumbs up for your guy and thumbs down for their guy.
The NFL is exposed by the CTE issue that paid the players before 2014 a total of about 750 million dollars. But I am not sure if you have to prove CTE to get funding for medical treatment? I doubt every player who has cognitive issue is eligible to be part of that fund
I also don't think the vast majority of players before the 1980's thought they would lose their minds playing the game. Yes physical ailments are expected and s shortened life span but not dribbling in your 60's.
If they wanted to make the case that those players who played the game in the "distant" past need more financial assistance, that would be a valid argument. But, from what I've seen, the majority of those who "signed" (which, now, it appears they didn't actually sign) were more "recent". Here's the list (below); those that I would consider "before the 80s" are bolded.
Marcus Allen, Mel Blount, Derrick Brooks, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Richard Dent, Carl Eller, Marshall Faulk, Mike Haynes, Rickey Jackson, Ronnie Lott, Curtis Martin, Joe Namath, John Randle, Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jackie Smith, Lawrence Taylor and Kurt Warner. Also signing the letter is Sarah White, Reggie White’s widow.
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