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Maple Surple · 10-11-2018, 01:46 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gq.com/...health/amp

10-11-2018, 01:48 PM

Its a fair question but maybe its a bit premature. Sometimes, its just mental illness on its own without any kind of football related head trauma. I guess its hard to know definitively.

10-11-2018, 02:01 PM

Speculation is only normal...

Of course everyone is thinking it could be CTE related. But for the press to publicly try to diagnose/speculate on whether its CTE or Bi-Polar etc. would be reckless and insensitive imo.

10-11-2018, 02:07 PM

Hmmm...last year Bennett Omalu said that he had seen evidence of CTE in Fred McNiell before he died. It would be a huge turning point if CTE could be reliably detected in living tissue.

And the mysterious walking-on-the-highway death of Griffen's teammate Ellison a couple days ago adds even more creepiness to this. Ellison's brain has been donated to research, so it'll be interesting to see what comes of that. I fear that CTE is where this could be headed.

10-11-2018, 02:10 PM

Maybe, but this is not a new topic of discussion, just one thst the NFL does not want to have & wont

CTE found in 99% of studied brains from deceased NFL players
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.html

& yhsts just the NFL, there are many stories of college players too
When they commit suicide, some opt to shoot themselves in the chest sp thrir brains can be studied

If anyone enjoys podcasts, this is a good one

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/revisionist-history/id1119389968?mt=2&i=1000412178526

Here is a non apple link

http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/2...n-of-proof

10-11-2018, 02:13 PM

99% of brains donated to science for study vs 99% of deceased players brains...Potentially a significant difference.

That said, I personally believe CTE is a huge problem, the league is well aware of it and the march towards flag football is full on and the game will never be like it was.

Maybe thats for the better in regards to players lives...

10-11-2018, 02:34 PM

We do not know what caused EG's mental breakdown. It might be football/CTE or an organic chemical imbalance in the brain or something else or all of the above. I don't know. But I know this: neither does the author of the article.
He admits that at first, then ignores his admission: "I’m obviously not a doctor, but the reported details of Griffen’s breakdown are awfully consistent with other football players who have experienced serious mental health episodes as a result of experiencing severe brain trauma on the field." He should have stopped with "I'm obviously not a doctor." I would agree with him there.
Is bizarre behavior caused by X always unique to X? Might it be similar to bizarre behavior caused by Y? If CTE were diagnosable by its bizarre behavior, scientists would not have to biopsy the brain to say that the person suffered from CTE. They could tell by his bizarre behavior.
Maybe EG's mental breakdown is unrelated to football. And maybe EG should never play football again. The two statements are not inconsistent.
The author is completely unqualified to make life-altering decisions for someone he does not know. Yet he is perfectly willing to do it. What an idiot. Let the people trained in this area, who are actually treating EG, make their recommendations. Not some random sports writer.

10-11-2018, 02:43 PM

Quote: @dadevike said:
We do not know what caused EG's mental breakdown. It might be football/CTE or an organic chemical imbalance in the brain or something else or all of the above. I don't know. But I know this: neither does the author of the article.
He admits that at first, then ignores his admission: "I’m obviously not a doctor, but the reported details of Griffen’s breakdown are awfully consistent with other football players who have experienced serious mental health episodes as a result of experiencing severe brain trauma on the field." He should have stopped with "I'm obviously not a doctor." I would agree with him there.
Is bizarre behavior caused by X always unique to X? Might it be similar to bizarre behavior caused by Y? If CTE were diagnosable by its bizarre behavior, scientists would not have to biopsy the brain to say that the person suffered from CTE. They could tell by his bizarre behavior.
Maybe EG's mental breakdown is unrelated to football. And maybe EG should never play football again. The two statements are not inconsistent.
The author is completely unqualified to make life-altering decisions for someone he does not know. Yet he is perfectly willing to do it. What an idiot. Let the people trained in this area, who are actually treating EG, make their recommendations. Not some random sports writer.

He is not personally wanting to do brain surgery on him, he is commenting, like you just did

Of course no one knows...right now
Thankfully he is getting the best possible help possible

The author is right that it is not going to be talked about on any pregame shows

10-11-2018, 03:12 PM

Quote: @Maple Surple said:

@dadevike said:
We do not know what caused EG's mental breakdown. It might be football/CTE or an organic chemical imbalance in the brain or something else or all of the above. I don't know. But I know this: neither does the author of the article.
He admits that at first, then ignores his admission: "I’m obviously not a doctor, but the reported details of Griffen’s breakdown are awfully consistent with other football players who have experienced serious mental health episodes as a result of experiencing severe brain trauma on the field." He should have stopped with "I'm obviously not a doctor." I would agree with him there.
Is bizarre behavior caused by X always unique to X? Might it be similar to bizarre behavior caused by Y? If CTE were diagnosable by its bizarre behavior, scientists would not have to biopsy the brain to say that the person suffered from CTE. They could tell by his bizarre behavior.
Maybe EG's mental breakdown is unrelated to football. And maybe EG should never play football again. The two statements are not inconsistent.
The author is completely unqualified to make life-altering decisions for someone he does not know. Yet he is perfectly willing to do it. What an idiot. Let the people trained in this area, who are actually treating EG, make their recommendations. Not some random sports writer.
He is not personally wanting to do brain surgery on him, he is commenting, like you just did

Of course no one knows...right now
Thankfully he is getting the best possible help possible

The author is right that it is not going to be talked about on any pregame shows

Here is part of the article:
"You and I know damn well that if Everson Griffen is going to survive this—if such a thing is truly possible for him—football cannot be a part of his future, or of anyone else’s future, for that matter. The sport kills you, and that’s if you’re lucky."
I guess he is just commenting in as much as his words alone cannot legally prevent EG from playing football. But we are stretching the meaning of the word.
"The sport kills you, and that's if you're lucky."
It's hard to believe football is legal. If you are lucky, it will just kill you.
What's not going to be talked about? That EG had a mental breakdown? Is that evidence of a cover-up? There are privacy issues involved and the stigma associated with mental health problems. And I think some people have already said on the air that EG had a mental breakdown. I'm glad they did.
They won't say that the EG's mental breakdown was caused by football/CTE? Should they even if we just don't know that? They also have not said that EG's mental breakdown was caused by EG dropping acid in college. Did he do that and consume some bad drugs? I don't know. Maybe. But they haven't said it.

10-11-2018, 04:50 PM

People have mental breakdowns every day that have never played a contact sport. This whole article is speculation because the cause of Griffen's problem is known by only a few, which is the way it should be.

I'm not sure if we'll ever know what was behind this, that's fine too in my opinion. It is a personal health issue plain and simple and it's really none of our business.