I simply do not understand people who support Trump. I get why they voted for him, they wanted change, they hated Obama, and Hillary was a crappy candidate. But those who just said give the guy a chance, well we have. He's failed at every opportunity to do the right thing. No moral compass, this vitriol of hatred for the press, for his enemies whether real or imagined, for our allies, for Dems, for immigrants, Muslims and anyone who dares cross him. His economy is about to pop. He rode Obama's economy, then came his horrific economic policies. Since he announced tariffs in January the stock market has lost 700 points. $12 billion bailout to farmers after he destroyed the soybean market where they lost 15-20%. And his Twitter feed, sweet jesus. He just panders to his base, regurgitating baseless conspiracy theories from Fox News. He is giving the unhinged right extremists a voice. His racist and sexist dog whistles are seeping into politics and being more and more accepted. This doesn't mean all trump supporters are racist, sexist or stupid but he has full support of those types of people who are. Republican party has dissolved into madness, it's truly the trump cult now and that's what McCain is talking about.
IDK why people gotta freak out. Jeez the world is full of actual real life issues and problem. I talk football, collecting or pets when I'm stressed by the world. Well football might not be the best stress relief but it sure beats bending yourself outta shape because someone doesn't like who you vote for. If that were the case I'd hate about 95% of the voting nation. People I back are lucky to get 5% so they can get federal matching funds.
once upon a time people did not discuss politics and religion with company
& for a good reason
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
Many of you may know I am a liberal but don't know I came from a Republican family and my brother worked for former Senator Bond for many years. That is just some background before the rest of my post.
I'm a white in a chocolate city. Never gets me any plaudits, 'anywhere'. Go on.
I thought it worthwhile to quote the late Senator McCain today especially in relation to yesterday's political post:
"We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do."
You identify with McCain, that we're allowed to be opinonated/vociferous/argue/compete/vilify/raucousness in our public debate. (As has been in our American political history)
But yet, apparently don't like it ^^ when we exercise those traits?
I grew in a family and a place (New Hampshire) where political discussion was always respectful and subject to detailed analysis rather than talking points.
You just negated McCain's point...where there was (allowed) opinionated/vociferous/argumentative/raucous debate.
I find it troubling when both sides try to use an individual case to paint the entirety of the other side. For instance, there are certainly racist that support Trump but that does not mean I think my Trump-supporting friends are racist. Likewise, there are liberals who do dumb things but that is not a reflection on the entirety of the progressive movement. Think about it this way, do you want other fans to think all Vikings fans believe and act the same as some posters here? Likewise, throwing out terms like "snowflake" is inflammatory and does not advance an argument based upon logic. To me, whenever one side starts to use inflammatory language (such as nazi, snowflake, klansman,) that shows a weakness in one's argument.
Generalizations are weak. Agreed.
Instead of focusing on our differences, we need to focus on what we share and realize all of our beliefs are shades of gray rather than black or white. For instance, I could say conservatives hate regulations. That is not a true statement. For instance, take our roads, we all believe that you should drive on the right side of the road -- that is a regulation. Overall many conservatives believe in less regulation in most areas (but more regulations in other areas such as reproductive health)
LOL. Traffic flow rules conflated/ vs 'reproductive health' (abortion). Non-sequitur...but nice try.
-- we just need to find where we share common goals -- where our grays overlap. In the above example,
LMAO
there are regulations that we all agree upon that makes our society run better -- and I am sure there are more to be implemented if we only sought common ground.
What I am saying is that we should fight against the polarization of our nation and try to recognize what we share.
Like... universal respect for the Flag?
We should also understand that hating "political correctness" does not mean forgoing common decency and respect.
I think I just disagreed with most everything you wrote. But I think I was both decent/respectful. No?
Don't judge all Republicans on the fact that KKK leaders support Trump and don't judge all Democrats on what Maxine Waters may say at any given moment.
Agreed. generalizations are weak X2.
As Senator McCain wrote, "we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement."
Nope. I have nothing in common with AntiFa/Hollywood/SJW/socialists.
And proud of that fact.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
I simply do not understand people who support Trump. I get why they voted for him, they wanted change, they hated Obama, and Hillary was a crappy candidate. But those who just said give the guy a chance, well we have. He's failed at every opportunity to do the right thing. No moral compass, this vitriol of hatred for the press, for his enemies whether real or imagined, for our allies, for Dems, for immigrants, Muslims and anyone who dares cross him. His economy is about to pop. He rode Obama's economy, then came his horrific economic policies. Since he announced tariffs in January the stock market has lost 700 points. $12 billion bailout to farmers after he destroyed the soybean market where they lost 15-20%. And his Twitter feed, sweet jesus. He just panders to his base, regurgitating baseless conspiracy theories from Fox News. He is giving the unhinged right extremists a voice. His racist and sexist dog whistles are seeping into politics and being more and more accepted. This doesn't mean all trump supporters are racist, sexist or stupid but he has full support of those types of people who are. Republican party has dissolved into madness, it's truly the trump cult now and that's what McCain is talking about.
Its too bad that people can not understand why people might support Trump. Most who dont understand are the same ones who would unquestioningly support anything Obama, Jaret and Holder did. They give Obama credit for the great economy and then blame Trump for wverything negative. The truth is much more complicated.
There are lines that have been drawn. They dont fall along the old lines of democrat vs republican. Instead it is globalist vs nationalist. Obama, Clintons and Bushes are globalists while Trump is a nationalist. Most billionaires are globalists as that is better for their businesses. Their interest has nothing to do with what is good for the USA as a nation. These same billionaires own the corporations who also own the news outlets.
There are inequities in our trade balance. It is going to take time and some difficulties to sort them out. When someone is used to taking advantage of you it isnt easy to change the status quo. It is unrealistic to think that things can continue as is or that it will be a simple thing to change them.
The inequality of wealth is the largest problem we currently face. But dont expect it to be in the news. That would be silly.
Thanks VO. i truly appreciate your measured rational tone. I too grew up in a Republican family. My uncle, to whom I was very close and loved dearly, was the elected Republican state treasurer of Mn for over thirty years. in my late teens i used to drive him to speaking engagements. I remember being told sometime after he retired that he had received a fund solicitation letter from the late Senator Jesse Helms. He took out his pen and wrote on the envelope, “obscene material. Return to sender.” That was the GOP then. He would not recognize it today.
I agree that name calling achieves nothing and brings us no closer to any solution. But there are many of us who look at the actions and rhetoric of the current president and are deeply and honestly troubled by what is happening. Our freedom is not something we can take for granted—at least not anymore. It must be vigilently protected from one generation to,the next. To denigrate the press with sweeping generalizations ( the “fake press”, the “rigged” news media etc) is to shake one of the foundations upon which this country was built. What is one to think when it is now an accepted fact that Russia interfered with our elections on Trump’s behalf and he in turn flatters and fawns on their despotic leader?
He has heaped more praise on the dictator of N. Korea than on his fellow Republican John McCain. Look how he so coyly refuses to distance himself from racists and bigots ( “there are good people in both sides, on both sides,” referring to the Charlottesville self-identified Nazis who chanted their hate filled slogans.) His viciousness in taking babies from families with no plan in place to reunite them—displaying no desire to reunite them (and no—that does not resemble in its sweep and jawdropping inhumanity anything Obama did in 2014. This, in contrast was a conscious POLICY.).
We are truly somewhere this country has never been before.
It is imperitive that we talk about this. Too much is at stake to simply scream epithets at each other. I have tried to reserve my anger for the policies I see Trump enact, and not to villify anyone with whom i disagree.
It’s probably better not to talk to uninformed idealogues. So I will bow out.
It’s funny. Let’s take the picture of the kids in cages that the media presented to rile the bases. The left couldn’t believe how cruel Trump was. But the pic was from Obama era. Oops. So now the left says it’s a different policy.
And they conveniently ignore the problem that these illegals do not have proof the kids are theirs. There have been instances where children are stolen and brought to the border to get in.
What is so fucking hard to understand that people need to enter legally. Inprove the vetting process. That is fine. But people are not getting free entry. Just like I fucking needed an enhanced license to go to Canada and they spend ten minutes interrogating me.
Trump didn’t say all mexicans are rapists. He said that rapists and murderers are coming in. And they are. We need to limit them.
At the rally in question ... Trump said there are good and bad people on both sides. He clearly meant that there were good people at the rally that were there that weren’t racists and bigots. Just like there are bad people at the dems rallies too. But the disingenuous left pretends that Trump meant some of the racists at the rally are good people.
Sorry CA. I am not letting your talking points and either ignorance at best or willful mistrpresentation of Russia continue. Because you like your leftist media are wrong or lying. There is no Russia collusion with Trump campaign.
It was Hillary by the way that paid a foreign nationalist (Steele) who used a fake Russian document to influence the election.
The MSM is fake. And the proof is there.
Wake the fuck up. Like African Americans are waking up.
And ... fuck Hollywood. Goddamn rapists and pedophiles. #metoo my ass. And don’t pretend you don’t know about the casting couch and the fucked up scumbags. Hollywood’s voice has been muted. I look forward to the day that people don’t accept anything they say. Lousy human beings. Hypocrites.
Well this went were they all go, but it was a nice sentiment. On to the the other board for it.
On a side note, let's remember
( myself included) that political discussion still must remain civil and offensive generalities that lump all together should not be used. Make concise points of don't make them at all. I will try and start getting back pushing that issue as the board is really devolving from its intended purpose.
Amen...Read through every post for some odd reason.
This thread is a little, tiny microcosm of the schism in the country. Actually a nice little representation come to think of it.
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