Quote: @minny65 said:
@ FSUVike said:
Who were they supposed to pick Supra? McGlinchey was the only real upgrade available at RT and he went Top 10.
Alexander was as bad in the Playoffs as Hill. Newman shouldn't be counted on any longer. One of the top CB prospects was on the board. A plug 'n play RT was not. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Agree. there was no RT available at 30 that would be plug and play and not a project. McGlinchey went around 9 and then the Raiders reached on Kolten Miller at 15. Both spots we did not have near the ammo to move up either. O'Neill was the 3rd Tackle taken in the draft.
IMO opinion Hughes is an immediate replacement for the aging Newman and they are looking for him at Safety now. He is insurance for Alexander to step-up or be replaced in the slot and he is a year away from possibly being moved outside in case we can't resign Waynes.
Lastly, he might replace Sherels as punt returner so he can play 2 spots as soon as this year and maybe 3rd spot when/if moved to CB.
I am wondering if the Newman to S is more about Zim trying to find a way to keep his buddy on the team one last year, because I dont know that he will be beating out Alexander, Hughes, or Hill, and certainly not taking the place of Rhodes or Waynes. How many DBs will this roster carry? 10 seems like to many. 5 CBs and 4 Ss, but maybe 6 CBs if one is a back up S? I also wonder if the Newman to S thing was a shot across Sendejos bow to take a reduced deal to save his job?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I am wondering if the Newman to S is more about Zim trying to find a way to keep his buddy on the team one last year, because I dont know that he will be beating out Alexander, Hughes, or Hill, and certainly not taking the place of Rhodes or Waynes. How many DBs will this roster carry? 10 seems like to many. 5 CBs and 4 Ss, but maybe 6 CBs if one is a back up S? I also wonder if the Newman to S thing was a shot across Sendejos bow to take a reduced deal to save his job?
Or the coaching staff hasn't seen the type of improvement from Kearse or Harris that they expected and are looking for a legitimate backup S...
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I am wondering if the Newman to S is more about Zim trying to find a way to keep his buddy on the team one last year, because I dont know that he will be beating out Alexander, Hughes, or Hill, and certainly not taking the place of Rhodes or Waynes. How many DBs will this roster carry? 10 seems like to many. 5 CBs and 4 Ss, but maybe 6 CBs if one is a back up S? I also wonder if the Newman to S thing was a shot across Sendejos bow to take a reduced deal to save his job?
Or the coaching staff hasn't seen the type of improvement from Kearse or Harris that they expected and are looking for a legitimate backup S...
maybe, but wouldnt they then be better off looking outside the organization for the future of the spot, maybe signing one of the several quality free agents, the price has to be dropping on some of those guys considering the depth of the pool in terms of talent and the time of year? similar to the Barr deal, seems odd to me for Newman to be making a transition in what is likely his final season. This roster makeup could be very interesting depending on how they decide to use a few guys.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Who were they supposed to pick Supra? McGlinchey was the only real upgrade available at RT and he went Top 10.
Alexander was as bad in the Playoffs as Hill. Newman shouldn't be counted on any longer. One of the top CB prospects was on the board. A plug 'n play RT was not. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
This argument ("all the tackles were gone, O'Neill was the 3rd OT drafted") might bear out, but it's dependent on accepting some pre-draft position assessment by media outlets. Specifically, you have to accept that: - Austin Corbett, #33 pick, cannot play RT - although the Browns have him penciled in as their starting LT and Joe Thomas is coaching him and thinks he's doing great; and
- Connor Williams, #50 pick, cannot play RT - because despite being an All-American LT in college, someone decided his 34" arms are too short (same length as Riley Reiff's arms, much longer than T. Rex Remmers); Cowboys are projecting him to start at LG but in training camp their OL coach said he could play either OT spot.
I'm not going to die on a hill over the 2018 draft, but it seems a lot more likely that Spielman, who has rarely used high picks on OL, was not very interested in doing so this year...I doubt very much he was concerned that "everyone says they should draft OL", he may even resist that kind of outside influence. But there WERE viable offensive line prospects, who probably would have helped sooner than O'Neill, available when they picked Hughes.
It's probably a better defense of the draft to just say Hughes was the guy they wanted, not to say he was a consolation prize when all the OL were already gone.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ FSUVike said:
Who were they supposed to pick Supra? McGlinchey was the only real upgrade available at RT and he went Top 10.
Alexander was as bad in the Playoffs as Hill. Newman shouldn't be counted on any longer. One of the top CB prospects was on the board. A plug 'n play RT was not. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
This argument ("all the tackles were gone, O'Neill was the 3rd OT drafted") might bear out, but it's dependent on accepting some pre-draft position assessment by media outlets. Specifically, you have to accept that: - Austin Corbett, #33 pick, cannot play RT - although the Browns have him penciled in as their starting LT and Joe Thomas is coaching him and thinks he's doing great; and
- Connor Williams, #50 pick, cannot play RT - because despite being an All-American LT in college, someone decided his 34" arms are too short (same length as Riley Reiff's arms, much longer than T. Rex Remmers); Cowboys are projecting him to start at LG but in training camp their OL coach said he could play either OT spot.
I'm not going to die on a hill over the 2018 draft, but it seems a lot more likely that Spielman, who has rarely used high picks on OL, was not very interested in doing so this year...I doubt very much he was concerned that "everyone says they should draft OL", he may even resist that kind of outside influence. But there WERE viable offensive line prospects, who probably would have helped sooner than O'Neill, available when they picked Hughes.
It's probably a better defense of the draft to just say Hughes was the guy they wanted, not to say he was a consolation prize when all the OL were already gone.
Well that's something that has been digging at the back of my mind as well. The glut of guards included a few with some position flexibility. A lot of people thought Corbett could play just about anywhere, even left tackle. That's what he was at Nevada. 33-inch arms moved him inside at the Senior Bowl. But that's the same arm length as Joe Thomas. Braden Smith was also seen as someone who could potentially play right tackle. Connor Williams as well.
Meh. McGlinchey was the only Day 1 Starter at either Tackle spot in this Draft. Y'all can debate what ifs for the others but they all had way too many warts for me.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Meh. McGlinchey was the only Day 1 Starter at either Tackle spot in this Draft. Y'all can debate what ifs for the others but they all had way too many warts for me.
Connor Williams was the only guy. I thought they might snap up or trade bzck for. But Hughes was the superior prospect. I didn't see any DTs worth grabbing either. Their draft position just wasn't conducive to OL early, especially cuz 1/2 the teams had OLine as a team need. Oline play was crap leaguewide Last Year.
Corbett has attitude and I expect good things from him. Lets see if he or Williams actually contributes at OT in their rookie season, and how well they play. My pick is Williams. I was most impressed with his play. I saw some draftniks had him as a mid-first round guy.
With the retirement of Berger, we needed either a starting RT or OG. We got neither in favor of drafting this year's dime CB. Then in the 5th we drafted a "TE" the same size and .2 slower in the 40 than Mycole Pruitt, and traded up for a kicker. At least I liked the Holmes and Gossett picks.
Quote: @RS Express said:
With the retirement of Berger, we needed either a starting RT or OG. We got neither in favor of drafting this year's dime CB. Then in the 5th we drafted a "TE" the same size and .2 slower in the 40 than Mycole Pruitt, and traded up for a kicker. At least I liked the Holmes and Gossett picks.
only if you assume you get no improvement from the young guys already on the roster. Out of Collins, Isidora, and Hill they have to expect at least one to make the next step. They are probably just as likely to make that step after a year or two in a pro program than a kid right out of college when we look at how ill prepared many rookies are these days.
Quote: @RS Express said:
With the retirement of Berger, we needed either a starting RT or OG. We got neither in favor of drafting this year's dime CB. Then in the 5th we drafted a "TE" the same size and .2 slower in the 40 than Mycole Pruitt, and traded up for a kicker. At least I liked the Holmes and Gossett picks.
With the pre-draft knowledge that we were switching Remmers from RT to Guard we were looking Tackle and CB over Guard which was the premise of the whole thread I started. Not saying that you agree with this thought but we ended up passing on all the prototypical Guards and took the 3rd Tackle drafted at 62. Taking O'Neill at 30 was way too high so we went CB and then Tackle.
Hughes might start out in the slot but he has the potential to be an outside corner and maybe be a replacement for Waynes, with a years experience in the system, if we can not afford to keep Waynes. So the big payoff for both Hughes and O'neill might be in two years as opposed to this season - good progression planning IMO.
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