Quote: @Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
Many history books since 2009 have been "changed" depicting Lincoln as a Democrat. My 15 year old son is in high school and they are being taught that the Civil War was over slavery and the Crusades were started by the evil "White" Europeans...... my son sent me a text telling me his history teacher was teaching the Civil War was over slavery, so I texted him back with some REAL facts that it was over financial differences and he disagreed with the teacher, the teacher almost sent him to the principals office. FN ridiculous
Dennis Prager, that beacon of progressive thought, appears to agree with your son's teacher.
its like if we pretend that something didnt happen hard enough, and teach it that way long enough, and remove traces of its existence in print.... that we can some how make it like it never happened, or that it will somehow make that thought, action, or way of life disappear from modern life.
what ever happened to use these black eyes of history as teaching moments?
I learned more about history after my school years then I ever did during. Or maybe I just remembered what I learned better. When you start to enjoy something it's not memorizing it's remembering. There's a difference. I don't want any history scrubbed even if it's embarrassing to some.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
I learned more about history after my school years then I ever did during. Or maybe I just remembered what I learned better. When you start to enjoy something it's not memorizing it's remembering. There's a difference. I don't want any history scrubbed even if it's embarrassing to some.
judging by your other posts about your age... I have to wonder if your lack of learning history in your formative years was less a result of teachers not teaching you... or more of a result of you taking full advantage of the generation that was a little more about saying "yes" than the one I was brought up in. :p
Being old enough to travel around peaked my interest in learning how and why. My generation was taught to be more trusting. The government is only looking out for your own good. The generation telling us this was the last generation to truly believe it though.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
Being old enough to travel around peaked my interest in learning how and why. My generation was taught to be more trusting. The government is only looking out for your own good. The generation telling us this was the last generation to truly believe it though.
I have always loved history and hope that when I am a little closer to retirement age that I will be able to travel and see and learn more about all the historic places that our country has to offer. my poor kids always had the worst summer vacation stories when they were little.... we did stuff they liked of course as well, but being kids they only remember the stuff they didnt like, a full day at the fields museum in chicago, 6 hours at the little big horn battle field in Montana ( in 90+ degree heat), Air and Space Museum, Truman museum...stuff like that ( and yes at the request of my wife... the laura ingalls wilder museum in Missouri)
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Being old enough to travel around peaked my interest in learning how and why. My generation was taught to be more trusting. The government is only looking out for your own good. The generation telling us this was the last generation to truly believe it though.
I have always loved history and hope that when I am a little closer to retirement age that I will be able to travel and see and learn more about all the historic places that our country has to offer. my poor kids always had the worst summer vacation stories when they were little.... we did stuff they liked of course as well, but being kids they only remember the stuff they didnt like, a full day at the fields museum in chicago, 6 hours at the little big horn battle field in Montana ( in 90+ degree heat), Air and Space Museum, Truman museum...stuff like that ( and yes at the request of my wife... the laura ingalls wilder museum in Missouri)
They will get older too. Someday maybe they will remember and then hopefully their interest will be peaked. My adult kids never did. If not at least you tried.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Being old enough to travel around peaked my interest in learning how and why. My generation was taught to be more trusting. The government is only looking out for your own good. The generation telling us this was the last generation to truly believe it though.
I have always loved history and hope that when I am a little closer to retirement age that I will be able to travel and see and learn more about all the historic places that our country has to offer. my poor kids always had the worst summer vacation stories when they were little.... we did stuff they liked of course as well, but being kids they only remember the stuff they didnt like, a full day at the fields museum in chicago, 6 hours at the little big horn battle field in Montana ( in 90+ degree heat), Air and Space Museum, Truman museum...stuff like that ( and yes at the request of my wife... the laura ingalls wilder museum in Missouri)
They will get older too. Someday maybe they will remember and then hopefully their interest will be peaked. My adult kids never did. If not at least you tried.
my 21 year old daughter is pretty good about her childhood now that she isnt still living it, maybe even appreciative in retrospect, my 19 year old son however is still pretty bitter about his lack of cool experiences in his youth... of course none of his classmates had season tickets to the Vikings or other shit like that, but what can I say... you win some you lose some.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Being old enough to travel around peaked my interest in learning how and why. My generation was taught to be more trusting. The government is only looking out for your own good. The generation telling us this was the last generation to truly believe it though.
I have always loved history and hope that when I am a little closer to retirement age that I will be able to travel and see and learn more about all the historic places that our country has to offer. my poor kids always had the worst summer vacation stories when they were little.... we did stuff they liked of course as well, but being kids they only remember the stuff they didnt like, a full day at the fields museum in chicago, 6 hours at the little big horn battle field in Montana ( in 90+ degree heat), Air and Space Museum, Truman museum...stuff like that ( and yes at the request of my wife... the laura ingalls wilder museum in Missouri)
They will get older too. Someday maybe they will remember and then hopefully their interest will be peaked. My adult kids never did. If not at least you tried.
my 21 year old daughter is pretty good about her childhood now that she isnt still living it, maybe even appreciative in retrospect, my 19 year old son however is still pretty bitter about his lack of cool experiences in his youth... of course none of his classmates had season tickets to the Vikings or other shit like that, but what can I say... you win some you lose some.
Mine are both in their early 30s. So safe to say they won't ever get what I was trying to do. My daughter isn't into anything that would get you dirty. History has too much dust for her...lol. My son is all technology driven. I have a 11 year old grandson who shows interest. Maybe it skips a generation.
To settle the "Why the Civil War was fought" debate..If I may:The question itself is oversimplified and just "multiple choice" history.
First understand the difference between: "Preconditions" and "Precipitants"Nothing happens in a vacuum, there were a combination of these preconditions and precipitants that led southern states to succeed, and ultimately war.
ONE precondition goes back as far as the Constitution; as slaves, (also indentured servants and women) were not specifically addressed other than in terms of representation in the legislative branch (3/5ths Compromise). Article V specifies the means by which the Constitution of the United
States can be amended. It ends by forbidding amendments that would
repeal the language in Article I, Section 9, which prohibits a ban on
the importation of slaves prior to 1808. The Constitution contrasts with the Declaration of Independence that
"All Men are created equal" (At the time, land owning Caucasians). The issue was effectively "tabled" and would go unresolved until admission of new territories / states (Missouri Compromise). Meanwhile, the INTERNAL slave trade continues to flourish. Another precondition is the polarization between the economies of the North (Industrialized) and South (Agrarian), also the issue of states' rights versus Federal power, which was ALREADY decided with the end of the Whiskey Rebellion.
Precipitants include Compromise of 1850, where CA. admitted as a free state, but required Northerners to assist in the capture / return of fugitive slaves. Another precipitant is Northern / Southern reaction to the book "Uncle Tom's Cabin". The assault on Charles Sumner by Preston Brooks in Congress, Kansas-Nebraska Act, Frequent slave rebellions / John Brown, The Dred Scott decision that a slave was "property", and the election of Lincoln. Finally, the idea of a Confederation of autonomous states, Independent of the United States, gains leverage after South Carolina succeeds.
As more states succeed, Lincoln states that Federal forts in these areas are still considered UNION property, soldiers, munitions, etc. When Fort Sumter is attacked - Game on.
A few important side considerations: When the war begins Congress is not in session, Lincoln conducts the war for effectively three months. He also suspends Habeus Corpus, thousands are arrested and held without trial. Lincoln admits that several of his actions were probably unconstitutional, but cited executive power. Lincoln also was more concerned with "saving the Union" than ending slavery. After Antietam, the Emancipation proclamation was a stroke of genius for a couple reasons. First it showed that Lincoln didn't consider succession legal, nor recognize the Confederate States as a separate entity....Second (and much more brilliant) when word of emancipation spreads to southern plantations...slave escapes and rebellions would become more probable, in turn usurping Confederate troops from the front lines to put down any such actions.
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