Login

*JimmyinSD* · 06-15-2018, 03:52 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sp...li=BBnb7Kz

So I guess my question is if the naturally born girls are supposed to just get over it since the trans girls work hard and beat them... why arent the trans girls forced to compete as the boys they were born as and then get over it if they cant win competing at their natural born sex?

maybe I could understand this issue better if I were more exposed to transgender people, but it kind of boggles my mind. I grew up with a few kids that turned out to be gay, we always kind of knew and you just let them be as long as they didnt get wierd about it, but as far as cross dressing and going so far as to physically and chemically change ones sex I just dont have much exposure to this... that I know of.

06-15-2018, 03:57 PM

can you describe "pops up again" a little better.... ????

06-15-2018, 04:03 PM

Quote: @Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
can you describe "pops up again" a little better.... ????

i opened my news feed and the story popped up on the scroll. damn Bob, you just cant wait to drag me into the gutter can you? :p

06-15-2018, 04:33 PM

Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sp...li=BBnb7Kz

So I guess my question is if the naturally born girls are supposed to just get over it since the trans girls work hard and beat them... why arent the trans girls forced to compete as the boys they were born as and then get over it if they cant win competing at their natural born sex?

maybe I could understand this issue better if I were more exposed to transgender people, but it kind of boggles my mind. I grew up with a few kids that turned out to be gay, we always kind of knew and you just let them be as long as they didnt get wierd about it, but as far as cross dressing and going so far as to physically and chemically change ones sex I just dont have much exposure to this... that I know of.

One of the girls that lost to a boy made a great subtle point. We are punishing the majority to make an exception for a small minority.

And if this is the same case I read about last week, the boy competed (and didn't win) in the boys indoor season and then "changed" to win the state title as a girl.

Seems it should be simple. If you are a boy, you don't compete as a girl. If you are physically transitioning, you can't compete as long as your testosterone level is X more than normal.

06-15-2018, 04:37 PM

The biggest question Jimmy, is why do you have MSN on your news feed. Man that was hard to read without vomiting. Blaming parents that want a fair field for the suicide rate of transgender kids?

06-15-2018, 04:41 PM

Quote: @greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sp...li=BBnb7Kz

So I guess my question is if the naturally born girls are supposed to just get over it since the trans girls work hard and beat them... why arent the trans girls forced to compete as the boys they were born as and then get over it if they cant win competing at their natural born sex?

maybe I could understand this issue better if I were more exposed to transgender people, but it kind of boggles my mind. I grew up with a few kids that turned out to be gay, we always kind of knew and you just let them be as long as they didnt get wierd about it, but as far as cross dressing and going so far as to physically and chemically change ones sex I just dont have much exposure to this... that I know of.
One of the girls that lost to a boy made a great subtle point. We are punishing the majority to make an exception for a small minority.

And if this is the same case I read about last week, the boy competed (and didn't win) in the boys indoor season and then "changed" to win the state title as a girl.

Seems it should be simple. If you are a boy, you don't compete as a girl. If you are physically transitioning, you can't compete as long as your testosterone level is X more than normal.

the statement I found interesting by the author was that natural born kids werent losing scholarships by losing to transgender athletes.... uhm how are they not? if transgenders are allowed to compete in college who are the colleges going to give the scholarships to, the natural born boy competing as a girl that wins, or the natural born girl that tries hard but didnt win? and if they arent allowed to compete in college then why let them compete at the HS level?

06-15-2018, 04:44 PM

Quote: @greediron said:
The biggest question Jimmy, is why do you have MSN on your news feed. Man that was hard to read without vomiting. Blaming parents that want a fair field for the suicide rate of transgender kids?

because I try to read as much opposing view points as I can in order to try and broaden my understanding and tolerance of opposing view points... I know that I am a stubborn ass and by living in rural SD I am not really as exposed to as much of the world as other people are, so I try and expose myself as often as I can. (pun fully intended B) )

06-15-2018, 04:58 PM

Quote: @JimmyinSD said:

@greediron said:

@JimmyinSD said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sp...li=BBnb7Kz

So I guess my question is if the naturally born girls are supposed to just get over it since the trans girls work hard and beat them... why arent the trans girls forced to compete as the boys they were born as and then get over it if they cant win competing at their natural born sex?

maybe I could understand this issue better if I were more exposed to transgender people, but it kind of boggles my mind. I grew up with a few kids that turned out to be gay, we always kind of knew and you just let them be as long as they didnt get wierd about it, but as far as cross dressing and going so far as to physically and chemically change ones sex I just dont have much exposure to this... that I know of.
One of the girls that lost to a boy made a great subtle point. We are punishing the majority to make an exception for a small minority.

And if this is the same case I read about last week, the boy competed (and didn't win) in the boys indoor season and then "changed" to win the state title as a girl.

Seems it should be simple. If you are a boy, you don't compete as a girl. If you are physically transitioning, you can't compete as long as your testosterone level is X more than normal.

the statement I found interesting by the author was that natural born kids werent losing scholarships by losing to transgender athletes.... uhm how are they not? if transgenders are allowed to compete in college who are the colleges going to give the scholarships to, the natural born boy competing as a girl that wins, or the natural born girl that tries hard but didnt win? and if they arent allowed to compete in college then why let them compete at the HS level?

I will usually side with the LGBT community on issues of equality. This doesn't seem equal. How can someone born physically as a male not have an advantage over a female. I disagree they should take away a scholarship from the female in the name of equality. Not on a High School level either. Fair isn't the same as equal sometimes. That's why they don't have handicaps at pro levels.

06-15-2018, 09:35 PM

Quote: @suncoastvike said:

I will usually side with the LGBT community on issues of equality. This doesn't seem equal. How can someone born physically as a male not have an advantage over a female. I disagree they should take away a scholarship from the female in the name of equality. Not on a High School level either. Fair isn't the same as equal sometimes. That's why they don't have handicaps at pro levels.

Unfortunately, your question has already been answered. It has been decided that men and women are exactly the same in every way. To say otherwise is sexist... and a fire-able offense. And, no: I didn't get that from an onion article. A number of folks have been fired for suggesting that there are differences between males and females.

06-16-2018, 12:14 AM

Quote: @pumpf said:

@suncoastvike said:

I will usually side with the LGBT community on issues of equality. This doesn't seem equal. How can someone born physically as a male not have an advantage over a female. I disagree they should take away a scholarship from the female in the name of equality. Not on a High School level either. Fair isn't the same as equal sometimes. That's why they don't have handicaps at pro levels.
Unfortunately, your question has already been answered. It has been decided that men and women are exactly the same in every way. To say otherwise is sexist... and a fire-able offense. And, no: I didn't get that from an onion article. A number of folks have been fired for suggesting that there are differences between males and females.

Not in my house. Not being sexist but my wife doesn't really enjoy doing guy stuff. If a woman wants to compete as a man let her. Straight up though. Not some farse 65 year old man playing tennis against a top female and still tilting the court her way. Riggs V King style. I don't see anyway to ever make it work. Sorry if you were born with male parts even if it was a mistake of nature that's what you compete as. I do consider myself very LBGT equality based in my other beliefs in what they should be able to do unimpeded. Everyone has a line. You can't cheat sports or athletic competition. That's my line.