Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.
I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant.
Just want to take a moment to say how enlightened you are.
Take some time and pat yourself on the back for not being ignorant.
Im glad you saw it my way. never took you to be the enlightened type.
Im not, just this issue especially pisses me off. Humanity solved many of these devastating diseases yet the internet and one jackass doctor who put out a faulty report about links to autism has put peoples children in danger by intentionally playing on parent fears. There is as much link between autism and vaccines as there is breathing air and vaccines. Or the Vikings wining the superbowl and vaccines. Its just complete and utter nonsense.
This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored. Allergic reactions. Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies. And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases. Chicken Pox for example. Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases? That makes sense. And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent.
I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
antivaxers need to be casterated or have their tubes tied so they dont pass on their genetic deficientcies.
I have no time for people who are so blatantly ignorant.
Just want to take a moment to say how enlightened you are.
Take some time and pat yourself on the back for not being ignorant.
Im glad you saw it my way. never took you to be the enlightened type.
Im not, just this issue especially pisses me off. Humanity solved many of these devastating diseases yet the internet and one jackass doctor who put out a faulty report about links to autism has put peoples children in danger by intentionally playing on parent fears. There is as much link between autism and vaccines as there is breathing air and vaccines. Or the Vikings wining the superbowl and vaccines. Its just complete and utter nonsense.
This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored. Allergic reactions. Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies. And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases. Chicken Pox for example. Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases? That makes sense. And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent.
I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.
There has been study after study after study. There is zero link between autism and vaccines. It is a myth kept alive via the internet.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes...t-20048334
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what...-vaccines/
There's Oxford, Mayo and the autism science foundation. (I'm not sure who ASU is funded by) I can find you more if you'd like to read up on it. Please take 5 minutes to read the abstract from the Oxford paper, it go into how ridiculous of a claim autism and vaccines was and how flawed the '98 "study's" reasoning was. It held nearly as much "science" as the pool of experts have here on the longship.
I don't mind your stance against mandated vaccines but when you get enough kids not being vaccinated it becomes a public health concern not just a personal decision. The jump in pre-vacinated infants getting these diseases is alarming to say the least. We need to promote vaccinations to everyone and stop the spread of fake news on the topic.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored. Allergic reactions. Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies. And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases. Chicken Pox for example. Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases? That makes sense. And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent.
I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.
There has been study after study after study. There is zero link between autism and vaccines. It is a myth kept alive via the internet.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes...t-20048334
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what...-vaccines/
There's Oxford, Mayo and the autism science foundation. (I'm not sure who ASU is funded by) I can find you more if you'd like to read up on it. Please take 5 minutes to read the abstract from the Oxford paper, it go into how ridiculous of a claim autism and vaccines was and how flawed the '98 "study's" reasoning was. It held nearly as much "science" as the pool of experts have here on the longship.
I don't mind your stance against mandated vaccines but when you get enough kids not being vaccinated it becomes a public health concern not just a personal decision. The jump in pre-vacinated infants getting these diseases is alarming to say the least. We need to promote vaccinations to everyone and stop the spread of fake news on the topic.
I understand the original study was flawed and keeps getting regurgitated. But that isn't my issue. As I have stated through this entire thread, vaccines aren't tested properly in regards to infants and mass doses of vaccines. I also have issues with the allergy angle. We have 2 kids with egg allergies and that is a common ingredient in making vaccines. Do we not care about those with allergies?
Vaccines can lead to serious injury, even death. But I guess that just has to be okay for the common good. Until it is your child.
I am in favor of healthy children. But when money and politics are used to override common sense, then I have an issue. WHen I see $$$$ and government mandates, I start asking questions and if that makes me an idiot, so be it. Would rather be informed and called an idiot than be an actual useful idiot such as those that parrot the "there is no other side".
I will also add, that if pre-vaccinated kids are getting the disease they are vaccinated against, shouldn't that make one question the usefulness of the vaccine? Supposedly these diseases were eradicated by vaccine, starting with a minority of people. But somehow the now vast majority of people being vaccinated makes them susceptible to a small minority that isn't vaccinated? hmmm.
When these debates descend into studies and graphs and charts, that's when I typically check out. These studies explain why there is a scientific consensus. But that there IS a scientific consensus is undisputed. Even by them. The problem is the general mistrust of science itself. It's nothing new. It's not just climate and vaccines. It goes all the way to evolution and the age of the earth. You can cite study after study after study and it won't make a bit of difference.
My sister in law doesn't trust public education so she home schools her kids even though she's nowhere near qualified to do it. She's also an anti-vaxer, a young earther, and a climate denier. Yeah, we've had some interesting conversations. :o
What's interesting to me is that while the climate-deniers are largely conservatives, I've seen a few liberals among the anti-vaxers. That, I think, speaks less to the distrust of science than it does our eagerness to believe in conspiracy theories. And that has plenty of victims on both sides of the aisle.
When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children. Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family. You mention that she isn't qualified? Why? Are you qualified to make that judgment? Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence. And they are her children, not yours.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored. Allergic reactions. Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies. And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases. Chicken Pox for example. Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases? That makes sense. And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent.
I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.
There has been study after study after study. There is zero link between autism and vaccines. It is a myth kept alive via the internet.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes...t-20048334
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what...-vaccines/
There's Oxford, Mayo and the autism science foundation. (I'm not sure who ASU is funded by) I can find you more if you'd like to read up on it. Please take 5 minutes to read the abstract from the Oxford paper, it go into how ridiculous of a claim autism and vaccines was and how flawed the '98 "study's" reasoning was. It held nearly as much "science" as the pool of experts have here on the longship.
I don't mind your stance against mandated vaccines but when you get enough kids not being vaccinated it becomes a public health concern not just a personal decision. The jump in pre-vacinated infants getting these diseases is alarming to say the least. We need to promote vaccinations to everyone and stop the spread of fake news on the topic.
I understand the original study was flawed and keeps getting regurgitated. But that isn't my issue. As I have stated through this entire thread, vaccines aren't tested properly in regards to infants and mass doses of vaccines. I also have issues with the allergy angle. We have 2 kids with egg allergies and that is a common ingredient in making vaccines. Do we not care about those with allergies?
Vaccines can lead to serious injury, even death. But I guess that just has to be okay for the common good. Until it is your child.
I am in favor of healthy children. But when money and politics are used to override common sense, then I have an issue. WHen I see $$$$ and government mandates, I start asking questions and if that makes me an idiot, so be it. Would rather be informed and called an idiot than be an actual useful idiot such as those that parrot the "there is no other side".
I will also add, that if pre-vaccinated kids are getting the disease they are vaccinated against, shouldn't that make one question the usefulness of the vaccine? Supposedly these diseases were eradicated by vaccine, starting with a minority of people. But somehow the now vast majority of people being vaccinated makes them susceptible to a small minority that isn't vaccinated? hmmm.
my wife is alergic to one of the preservatives in vaccines. she just had to get a different version. we were concerned with it with our children with regards to the preservatives and not knowing whether that was something passed on.
pre vaccinated = prior to being vaccination. post-vaccinated would mean already vaccinated. tge ones getting sick are 6mo or younger ussually. there has been a huge uptick being caused by antivaxers and some of the immigration. california has seen some of the worst.
Quote: @greediron said:
When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children. Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family. You mention that she isn't qualified? Why? Are you qualified to make that judgment? Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence. And they are her children, not yours.
Yeah, I trust the teachers of my children. For starters, I call them "teachers," not "the government." But hey, that's probably just my naivete talking.
My sis in law is not qualified to teach her 8 kids because she doesn't have a college degree. Nor does she know that Ireland, for example, is a part of Europe. I could go on and on...and I'm qualified to make that judgement based on the fact that I've spoken to her many times. And I've received emails from her teenage children that read like they were written by 4th graders. It's sad, it really is. Almost maddening. I mean, what did they do to deserve this?
I love her, I really do. And she can make any decision she wants to about her family. At least she avoided liberal indoctrination from the public schools, right?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children. Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family. You mention that she isn't qualified? Why? Are you qualified to make that judgment? Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence. And they are her children, not yours.
Yeah, I trust the teachers of my children. For starters, I call them "teachers," not "the government." But hey, that's probably just my naivete talking.
My sis in law is not qualified to teach her 8 kids because she doesn't have a college degree. Nor does she know that Ireland, for example, is a part of Europe. I could go on and on...and I'm qualified to make that judgement based on the fact that I've spoken to her many times. And I've received emails from her teenage children that read like they were written by 4th graders. It's sad, it really is. Almost maddening. I mean, what did they do to deserve this?
I love her, I really do. And she can make any decision she wants to about her family. At least she avoided liberal indoctrination from the public schools, right?
I don't know the specifics about your family but will disagree that you need a college degree to teach your own kids. I have a degree, but that is ages ago and have to revisit the math concepts when I help my children. As you describe it, your sister's situation does sound bad, but again, they aren't your kids. We have many in the public school with the same issue, uninvolved parents that don't care about education. And that is a shame. Home schooling isn't a remedy for all that ails our country, but most of the parents I know spend lots of time and effort teaching their kids. The comparison to public school involvement isn't even close.
As to teachers vs government, who pays the bills? That is who makes the decisions. There are many good teachers, but often they are hamstrung by stupid policies and bad material.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ greediron said:
This isn't about that study on the link to autism, although I do think that is worthy of being studied rather that ignored. Allergic reactions. Tainted vaccines from cell lines derived from aborted babies. And not all vaccines are for devastating diseases. Chicken Pox for example. Giving babies vaccines to prevent sexually transmitted diseases? That makes sense. And some vaccines have worse side effects than what they are supposed to prevent.
I would like to have a choice rather than be dictated by corruption, politics and money.
There has been study after study after study. There is zero link between autism and vaccines. It is a myth kept alive via the internet.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes...t-20048334
https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what...-vaccines/
There's Oxford, Mayo and the autism science foundation. (I'm not sure who ASU is funded by) I can find you more if you'd like to read up on it. Please take 5 minutes to read the abstract from the Oxford paper, it go into how ridiculous of a claim autism and vaccines was and how flawed the '98 "study's" reasoning was. It held nearly as much "science" as the pool of experts have here on the longship.
I don't mind your stance against mandated vaccines but when you get enough kids not being vaccinated it becomes a public health concern not just a personal decision. The jump in pre-vacinated infants getting these diseases is alarming to say the least. We need to promote vaccinations to everyone and stop the spread of fake news on the topic.
I understand the original study was flawed and keeps getting regurgitated. But that isn't my issue. As I have stated through this entire thread, vaccines aren't tested properly in regards to infants and mass doses of vaccines. I also have issues with the allergy angle. We have 2 kids with egg allergies and that is a common ingredient in making vaccines. Do we not care about those with allergies?
Vaccines can lead to serious injury, even death. But I guess that just has to be okay for the common good. Until it is your child.
I am in favor of healthy children. But when money and politics are used to override common sense, then I have an issue. WHen I see $$$$ and government mandates, I start asking questions and if that makes me an idiot, so be it. Would rather be informed and called an idiot than be an actual useful idiot such as those that parrot the "there is no other side".
I will also add, that if pre-vaccinated kids are getting the disease they are vaccinated against, shouldn't that make one question the usefulness of the vaccine? Supposedly these diseases were eradicated by vaccine, starting with a minority of people. But somehow the now vast majority of people being vaccinated makes them susceptible to a small minority that isn't vaccinated? hmmm.
my wife is alergic to one of the preservatives in vaccines. she just had to get a different version. we were concerned with it with our children with regards to the preservatives and not knowing whether that was something passed on.
pre vaccinated = prior to being vaccination. post-vaccinated would mean already vaccinated. tge ones getting sick are 6mo or younger ussually. there has been a huge uptick being caused by antivaxers and some of the immigration. california has seen some of the worst.
sorry, my confusion, I took the pre to mean prior. There is a growing issue of vaccinated children getting sick with what they are supposedly inoculated against as well.
Quote: @greediron said:
When it comes to home schooling and vaccines, I think it is more about who you trust to raise your children. Do you trust the government and all the corrupt money involved, or do you trust yourself to find a solution that is right for your family. You mention that she isn't qualified? Why? Are you qualified to make that judgment? Education has much more to do with caring about the child rather than phds and intelligence. And they are her children, not yours.
It might be arrogant of me but I feel pretty qualified to say if somebody isn't qualified to home school their kids, I can't necessarily say who is qualified, bit I can think of dozens of parents that I know that love their kids but are dumb as posts and allowing them to be the primary educator when it's obvious they never took their own education serious really calls into question their qualifications. Some people shouldnt be teachers...even if they are the kids parents and love their kids.
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