Vikings, Chris Kluwe come together to create LGBTQ event at team headquarters

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@Zanary said:

@Purple Haze said:

@Vikergirl said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:
Interesting that Kluwe held the team's feet to the fire by making this event a condition of the settlement. 

Kinda takes the shine off of it. 

It depends on how you look at it. Sometimes in order to make change, there has to be a driving force behind it. Kevin Warren is saying that it isn't going to be a one time thing. So regardless of how it started, it can still have an impact. Sometimes people need a nudge to do the right thing. Ideally it would be great if they automatically did the right thing initially but now it's time to grow and move forward. 

If this event were being held with both sides, the Vikings and Kluwe as partners in supporting this it would be a legit attempt to make change. But it wasnt and isnt.  This is Kluwes way of getting back at the Vikings for releasing him because he got his feelings hurt.  His release had nothing to do with his activism.  When he was drafted and in his first few years Kluwe was a top ten punter, in his last few years with the Vikings he was a mid 20's punter.  THAT is why he was released.  He was even brought into camp with I believe the Raiders after his release and they too cut him. When you have to force your position on everybody like Kluwe is doing it can hurt your cause as much as help.  Alot of the people that the LGBTQ community will be getting support from this event are the people who already supported their cause.  Because of the way this event came about they may be chasing the non supporters (which they are trying to influence) farther away.

Because his feelings got hurt?  Preiffer spouted truly stupid s**t, repeatedly, and got called out for it...and his babble embarrassed the team.

I'm no huge Kluwe fan, but when a coach is a potential PR disaster...that's not all on our ex-punter.

I never said Preiffer didnt say some stupid stuff and got called out for it.  My point is Kluwes activism had nothing to do with his release.  His performance on the field was the whole reason.  He couldnt accept that and he brought what Preiffer said into the issue and although Preiffers ignorance is as much to blame Kluwe using his comments is what caused the whole PR mess.  Im sure Preiffer didnt just start spewing crap a week before the release.  My guess is the whole team knew about Kluwes stance on the LGBTQ community long before that.  Funny how Kluwe didnt mention anything in any previous seasons when he was performing well.

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@Purple Haze said:

@Zanary said:

@Purple Haze said:

@Vikergirl said:

@MaroonBells said:

@StickyBun said:
Interesting that Kluwe held the team's feet to the fire by making this event a condition of the settlement. 

Kinda takes the shine off of it. 

It depends on how you look at it. Sometimes in order to make change, there has to be a driving force behind it. Kevin Warren is saying that it isn't going to be a one time thing. So regardless of how it started, it can still have an impact. Sometimes people need a nudge to do the right thing. Ideally it would be great if they automatically did the right thing initially but now it's time to grow and move forward. 

If this event were being held with both sides, the Vikings and Kluwe as partners in supporting this it would be a legit attempt to make change. But it wasnt and isnt.  This is Kluwes way of getting back at the Vikings for releasing him because he got his feelings hurt.  His release had nothing to do with his activism.  When he was drafted and in his first few years Kluwe was a top ten punter, in his last few years with the Vikings he was a mid 20's punter.  THAT is why he was released.  He was even brought into camp with I believe the Raiders after his release and they too cut him. When you have to force your position on everybody like Kluwe is doing it can hurt your cause as much as help.  Alot of the people that the LGBTQ community will be getting support from this event are the people who already supported their cause.  Because of the way this event came about they may be chasing the non supporters (which they are trying to influence) farther away.

Because his feelings got hurt?  Preiffer spouted truly stupid s**t, repeatedly, and got called out for it...and his babble embarrassed the team.

I'm no huge Kluwe fan, but when a coach is a potential PR disaster...that's not all on our ex-punter.

I never said Preiffer didnt say some stupid stuff and got called out for it.  My point is Kluwes activism had nothing to do with his release.  His performance on the field was the whole reason.  He couldnt accept that and he brought what Preiffer said into the issue and although Preiffers ignorance is as much to blame Kluwe using his comments is what caused the whole PR mess.  Im sure Preiffer didnt just start spewing crap a week before the release.  My guess is the whole team knew about Kluwes stance on the LGBTQ community long before that.  Funny how Kluwe didnt mention anything in any previous seasons when he was performing well.

So...you have proof, maybe Kluwe's diary or journal, stating that you're singularly aware of his motivations?

Speaking for someone you don't know is maybe the weakest argument available.

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I do believe that Kluwe got a little full of himself in his handling of the situation eventually. But I do believe that he cares about the issue incredibly. I think he is a guy that actually cares about people in general. And that's something to remember. I think he is someone that generally cares about all people's well being at the heart of it.