Quote: @AGRforever said:
LGBTQ
llesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender and......questioning i guess...had to look that up.
Im not meaning for this to sound insensitive
Are there really any but a few gay guys in pro sports? Id assume you need the physical build and muscle building ability that is only afforded to men and those with a decent amount of testosterone to start with.
I doubt we’ll ever see a woman or even a man who changed to a woman ever in the big 4 pro sports.
Really? Wow.
This is the most ignorant statement I've read here in a LONG time.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ AGRforever said:
LGBTQ
llesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender and......questioning i guess...had to look that up.
Im not meaning for this to sound insensitive
Are there really any but a few gay guys in pro sports? Id assume you need the physical build and muscle building ability that is only afforded to men and those with a decent amount of testosterone to start with.
I doubt we’ll ever see a woman or even a man who changed to a woman ever in the big 4 pro sports.
Really? Wow.
This is the most ignorant statement I've read here in a LONG time.
Sorry, but you must not read much here then.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still needed.
If that's true (that it is "needed") then there "need" to be alot of other "events", too- because there are lots of other people struggling with other kinds of issues that could use empathy and support, too.
At least that particular community (I don't know all the letters by heart) has the support of the MSM (movies, TV, etc). There are other kids... struggling with other things... that have no support whatsoever.
Certainly there is no shortage of issues humans struggle with. This is just one. I'd agree that entertainment media has done a pretty good job in the last 20 years or so drawing more and more characters people with these issues can identify with, and fewer and fewer stereotypical characters. Walking Dead has, what, 4 gay characters? And I think that helps not just them, but all of us see the world as it really is. Zombies notwithstanding. :-)
I think what results is a more accepting and less judgmental society. Because reality is not Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best. It never was. It's broken families, single parent households, people who struggle with bigotry, bullying, gender, drugs, alcohol, violence, abuse, disease, depression, mental illness, obesity...like I said, no shortage.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still needed.
If that's true (that it is "needed") then there "need" to be alot of other "events", too- because there are lots of other people struggling with other kinds of issues that could use empathy and support, too.
At least that particular community (I don't know all the letters by heart) has the support of the MSM (movies, TV, etc). There are other kids... struggling with other things... that have no support whatsoever.
Certainly there is no shortage of issues humans struggle with. This is just one. I'd agree that entertainment media has done a pretty good job in the last 20 years or so drawing more and more characters people with these issues can identify with, and fewer and fewer stereotypical characters. Walking Dead has, what, 4 gay characters? And I think that helps not just them, but all of us see the world as it really is. Zombies notwithstanding. :-)
I think what results is a more accepting and less judgmental society. Because reality is not Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best. It never was. It's broken families, single parent households, people who struggle with bigotry, bullying, gender, drugs, alcohol, violence, abuse, disease, depression, mental illness, obesity...like I said, no shortage.
Would agree that Leave it to Beaver focused on one unrealistic ideal. But the more things change, the more they stay the same. So much focus on one issue while the rest get ignored.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still needed.
If that's true (that it is "needed") then there "need" to be alot of other "events", too- because there are lots of other people struggling with other kinds of issues that could use empathy and support, too.
At least that particular community (I don't know all the letters by heart) has the support of the MSM (movies, TV, etc). There are other kids... struggling with other things... that have no support whatsoever.
Certainly there is no shortage of issues humans struggle with. This is just one. I'd agree that entertainment media has done a pretty good job in the last 20 years or so drawing more and more characters people with these issues can identify with, and fewer and fewer stereotypical characters. Walking Dead has, what, 4 gay characters? And I think that helps not just them, but all of us see the world as it really is. Zombies notwithstanding. :-)
I think what results is a more accepting and less judgmental society. Because reality is not Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best. It never was. It's broken families, single parent households, people who struggle with bigotry, bullying, gender, drugs, alcohol, violence, abuse, disease, depression, mental illness, obesity...like I said, no shortage.
Would agree that Leave it to Beaver focused on one unrealistic ideal. But the more things change, the more they stay the same. So much focus on one issue while the rest get ignored.
I'm curious why you think that. It sounds like that was the same point Pumpf was trying to make and I'm not quite sure I understand it. Is there not enough support or media attention paid to alcoholism, drugs, abuse, depression, drugs, etc? Is there something I'm not thinking of?
I don't know that one issue is more important than another. I tend to think we focus on issues that are personal to us. I have a gay brother, so issues important to him are important to me. And though I would never want to characterize homesexuality as some sort of affliction, I also had a sibling die of cancer, I had another sibling with Tourettes Syndrome. So these are the issues I've been active in. My parents are Republicans, so I try to help there when I can as well. B)
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still needed.
If that's true (that it is "needed") then there "need" to be alot of other "events", too- because there are lots of other people struggling with other kinds of issues that could use empathy and support, too.
At least that particular community (I don't know all the letters by heart) has the support of the MSM (movies, TV, etc). There are other kids... struggling with other things... that have no support whatsoever.
Certainly there is no shortage of issues humans struggle with. This is just one. I'd agree that entertainment media has done a pretty good job in the last 20 years or so drawing more and more characters people with these issues can identify with, and fewer and fewer stereotypical characters. Walking Dead has, what, 4 gay characters? And I think that helps not just them, but all of us see the world as it really is. Zombies notwithstanding. :-)
I think what results is a more accepting and less judgmental society. Because reality is not Leave it to Beaver and Father Knows Best. It never was. It's broken families, single parent households, people who struggle with bigotry, bullying, gender, drugs, alcohol, violence, abuse, disease, depression, mental illness, obesity...like I said, no shortage.
Would agree that Leave it to Beaver focused on one unrealistic ideal. But the more things change, the more they stay the same. So much focus on one issue while the rest get ignored.
I'm curious why you think that. It sounds like that was the same point Pumpf was trying to make and I'm not quite sure I understand it. Is there not enough support or media attention paid to alcoholism, drugs, abuse, depression, drugs, etc? Is there something I'm not thinking of?
I don't know that one issue is more important than another. I tend to think we focus on issues that are personal to us. I have a gay brother, so issues important to him are important to me. And though I would never want to characterize homesexuality as some sort of affliction, I also had a sibling die of cancer, I had another sibling with Tourettes Syndrome. So these are the issues I've been active in. My parents are Republicans, so I try to help there when I can as well. B)
Pretty easy to see the topic of choice for today's world. I would daresay it is trendy. Have to careful how we even approach the subject lest we be branded as ignorant for simply sharing an opinion.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ AGRforever said:
LGBTQ
llesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender and......questioning i guess...had to look that up.
Im not meaning for this to sound insensitive
Are there really any but a few gay guys in pro sports? Id assume you need the physical build and muscle building ability that is only afforded to men and those with a decent amount of testosterone to start with.
I doubt we’ll ever see a woman or even a man who changed to a woman ever in the big 4 pro sports.
Really? Wow.
This is the most ignorant statement I've read here in a LONG time.
what is ignorant? are there any women football players? any trans players? is my assumption wrong that you need testosterone to become a dominate athlete in a male sport? there are certainly some gay players and that wonderful for them. im glad they get to play football for a living.
this viking activity is nothing more then a plubicity stunt aimed at getting them some points from an opressed minority. if they wanted to help the players and better their lives they could hold some parenting or money managment classes rather then pandering to a super small minortiy.
sorry my view of the world doesnt fit into yours.
Quote: @greediron said:
Pretty easy to see the topic of choice for today's world. I would daresay it is trendy. Have to careful how we even approach the subject lest we be branded as ignorant for simply sharing an opinion.
I have started and deleted a few responses to this topic- because I figured that no matter how carefully I tried to word it, it was going to come across as "hateful". I get that some people want to stifle comments that they don't agree with- which they think are (catch-all word coming up) "bad". But I feel like we cannot have conversations about things anymore- without being labeled. So alot of things are left unsaid- but that doesn't mean they are "un-felt". I guess that's all I am going to say about it.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ AGRforever said:
LGBTQ
llesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender and......questioning i guess...had to look that up.
Im not meaning for this to sound insensitive
Are there really any but a few gay guys in pro sports? Id assume you need the physical build and muscle building ability that is only afforded to men and those with a decent amount of testosterone to start with.
I doubt we’ll ever see a woman or even a man who changed to a woman ever in the big 4 pro sports.
Really? Wow.
This is the most ignorant statement I've read here in a LONG time.
what is ignorant? are there any women football players? any trans players? is my assumption wrong that you need testosterone to become a dominate athlete in a male sport? there are certainly some gay players and that wonderful for them. im glad they get to play football for a living.
this viking activity is nothing more then a plubicity stunt aimed at getting them some points from an opressed minority. if they wanted to help the players and better their lives they could hold some parenting or money managment classes rather then pandering to a super small minortiy.
sorry my view of the world doesnt fit into yours.
The story isn't about football specifically at all. It's about sports in general. Apparently you didn't read the article. And of course it is a publicity stunt by the vikings. It's called marketing and understanding that there is a whole huge swath of people that historically have been shunned and ridiculed by people that have been sports enthusiasts. And why do the Vikings have to help these people with their parenting or their money management? It's about sports and inclusivity in sports. Why do you assume these people need or even want anyone's help with the things you mentioned? Bizarre. It was an event that centered around sports... because the vikings are heavily involved in..... sports.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
LGBTQ
llesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender and......questioning i guess...had to look that up.
Im not meaning for this to sound insensitive
Are there really any but a few gay guys in pro sports? Id assume you need the physical build and muscle building ability that is only afforded to men and those with a decent amount of testosterone to start with.
I doubt we’ll ever see a woman or even a man who changed to a woman ever in the big 4 pro sports.
So does their number make them insignificant? They are human, don't they matter? And whether or not they are in professional sports shouldn't make a difference. The number of people that watch sports is immense. What about them? Don't some of them know gays and lesbians? That's significant too. And what about the women? They matter as well. Athletes as well as parents? That sense of belonging is huge and the suicide rate is high. Sensitivity is important to understanding. If this event saves a life, isn't that significant? Regardless of whether or not you agree with them, don't they deserve love and compassion? I have a cousin who is a lesbian. She is such a kindhearted woman who has helped so many. She has always been one of my best friends. She tried to kill herself. Sports helped save her life. I am grateful that she found love and acceptance and that she is still here. She deserves a shot at a good life too. I didn't even touch on the transgender issue but they deserve kindness and love too. Don't we all?
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