Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Interesting that Kluwe held the team's feet to the fire by making this event a condition of the settlement.
Kinda takes the shine off of it.
It depends on how you look at it. Sometimes in order to make change, there has to be a driving force behind it. Kevin Warren is saying that it isn't going to be a one time thing. So regardless of how it started, it can still have an impact. Sometimes people need a nudge to do the right thing. Ideally it would be great if they automatically did the right thing initially but now it's time to grow and move forward.
If this event were being held with both sides, the Vikings and Kluwe as partners in supporting this it would be a legit attempt to make change. But it wasnt and isnt. This is Kluwes way of getting back at the Vikings for releasing him because he got his feelings hurt. His release had nothing to do with his activism. When he was drafted and in his first few years Kluwe was a top ten punter, in his last few years with the Vikings he was a mid 20's punter. THAT is why he was released. He was even brought into camp with I believe the Raiders after his release and they too cut him. When you have to force your position on everybody like Kluwe is doing it can hurt your cause as much as help. Alot of the people that the LGBTQ community will be getting support from this event are the people who already supported their cause. Because of the way this event came about they may be chasing the non supporters (which they are trying to influence) farther away.
Quote: @Purple Haze said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Interesting that Kluwe held the team's feet to the fire by making this event a condition of the settlement.
Kinda takes the shine off of it.
It depends on how you look at it. Sometimes in order to make change, there has to be a driving force behind it. Kevin Warren is saying that it isn't going to be a one time thing. So regardless of how it started, it can still have an impact. Sometimes people need a nudge to do the right thing. Ideally it would be great if they automatically did the right thing initially but now it's time to grow and move forward.
If this event were being held with both sides, the Vikings and Kluwe as partners in supporting this it would be a legit attempt to make change. But it wasnt and isnt. This is Kluwes way of getting back at the Vikings for releasing him because he got his feelings hurt. His release had nothing to do with his activism. When he was drafted and in his first few years Kluwe was a top ten punter, in his last few years with the Vikings he was a mid 20's punter. THAT is why he was released. He was even brought into camp with I believe the Raiders after his release and they too cut him. When you have to force your position on everybody like Kluwe is doing it can hurt your cause as much as help. Alot of the people that the LGBTQ community will be getting support from this event are the people who already supported their cause. Because of the way this event came about they may be chasing the non supporters (which they are trying to influence) farther away.
I don't know why you would choose this post to quote it was forced. Viker was already conceding that they were nudged into it. Just hoping something good could come out of it. The team might have been forced but are saying all the right things. While it true mostly people who are already active in the community will be there. As Viker said earlier maybe some or even just one person will find out they're not so alone. She also conceded that it would be better if it were an automatic response. I read though the whole thread I don't see anywhere that the team is acting forced into something. I've read several team quotes on the event hoping other teams consider something like it. Also that they may continue to host these events. Who the one with the hurt feeling.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ Mighty mouse said:
Yuck.....Kluwe…..the guy who wouldn't do what the coach told him to do punt it out of bounds then yelled at the coach. Real world you do what your boss tells you to do.
Yeah the NFL is not the real world. Players yell at their "boss" all the time. The flip over company property and have violent outbursts, with cameras rolling. In the real world no matter how good you were at your job you would be fired. In sports you get praise for being competitive and fiery. People need to stop thinking sports are like the real world. The only thing similar is if you can't perform up to industry standard you get fired. Or you call out the parent company for hypocrisy. The NFL cares about that kind of embarrassment. Whistle blowers are not hero's to the customers in sports like they are in the real world either. We are all guilty. We don't want our sports to be the real world. We want it to be a escape from it. So we play into the parent companies hand.
Well my last performance review at work would echo that !
- All employees will refrain from pissing themselves even if it’s in “ the heat of battle”
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still needed.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still need them
I agree. I have one of each. Big extended family...lol. A nephew by blood and a niece by marriage. I watched them grow up and seen, well really more heard the suffering they went through to finally become happy with who they are. It is because of them I support their right to marry. I have one response to anybody against gay marriage. Then don't do it. Over simplified I know but true to me.
It's why discussions like this are also important to me. While I'll never understand of why they are who they are. I will not ignore them as family because they are who they are. I'm glad they're happy.
Quote: @Purple Haze said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ StickyBun said:
Interesting that Kluwe held the team's feet to the fire by making this event a condition of the settlement.
Kinda takes the shine off of it.
It depends on how you look at it. Sometimes in order to make change, there has to be a driving force behind it. Kevin Warren is saying that it isn't going to be a one time thing. So regardless of how it started, it can still have an impact. Sometimes people need a nudge to do the right thing. Ideally it would be great if they automatically did the right thing initially but now it's time to grow and move forward.
If this event were being held with both sides, the Vikings and Kluwe as partners in supporting this it would be a legit attempt to make change. But it wasnt and isnt. This is Kluwes way of getting back at the Vikings for releasing him because he got his feelings hurt. His release had nothing to do with his activism. When he was drafted and in his first few years Kluwe was a top ten punter, in his last few years with the Vikings he was a mid 20's punter. THAT is why he was released. He was even brought into camp with I believe the Raiders after his release and they too cut him. When you have to force your position on everybody like Kluwe is doing it can hurt your cause as much as help. Alot of the people that the LGBTQ community will be getting support from this event are the people who already supported their cause. Because of the way this event came about they may be chasing the non supporters (which they are trying to influence) farther away.
Because his feelings got hurt? Preiffer spouted truly stupid s**t, repeatedly, and got called out for it...and his babble embarrassed the team.
I'm no huge Kluwe fan, but when a coach is a potential PR disaster...that's not all on our ex-punter.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still needed.
If that's true (that it is "needed") then there "need" to be alot of other "events", too- because there are lots of other people struggling with other kinds of issues that could use empathy and support, too.
At least that particular community (I don't know all the letters by heart) has the support of the MSM (movies, TV, etc). There are other kids... struggling with other things... that have no support whatsoever.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still need them
I agree. I have one of each. Big extended family...lol. A nephew by blood and a niece by marriage. I watched them grow up and seen, well really more heard the suffering they went through to finally become happy with who they are. It is because of them I support their right to marry. I have one response to anybody against gay marriage. Then don't do it. Over simplified I know but true to me.
It's why discussions like this are also important to me. While I'll never understand of why they are who they are. I will not ignore them as family because they are who they are. I'm glad they're happy.
I have a gay brother who, when he was a teenager, attempted suicide. I knew he was gay, but he didn't come out to my family until he was in his late 30s. We grew up in a very conservative, evangelical family and I'm sure that made it even harder on him. So when my niece--who was home-schooled in an even more severely conservative household in Texas--recently came out, and then MOVED out of her parents house, I reached out to her to let her know that if she ever felt trapped or stuck, she could come up to Colorado and stay with me until she figured something out. I don't think us "breeders" know the full extent to which this kind of thing messes with your head. Her mother was in hysterics to me over the phone. "She'll never get married! She'll never have kids!" Really? Why not?
I suspect her mother, who has been quite a conservative activist, will soon be fighting to get the marriage laws changed in Texas. Sometimes it takes issues "hitting home" in order for change to take place.
LGBTQ
llesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender and......questioning i guess...had to look that up.
Im not meaning for this to sound insensitive
Are there really any but a few gay guys in pro sports? Id assume you need the physical build and muscle building ability that is only afforded to men and those with a decent amount of testosterone to start with.
I doubt we’ll ever see a woman or even a man who changed to a woman ever in the big 4 pro sports.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hard to believe in this day and age when we all have openly gay brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, friends, kids, teammates and coworkers....but just peruse the 430 responses to the above article and you're easily reminded why an event like this is still need them
I agree. I have one of each. Big extended family...lol. A nephew by blood and a niece by marriage. I watched them grow up and seen, well really more heard the suffering they went through to finally become happy with who they are. It is because of them I support their right to marry. I have one response to anybody against gay marriage. Then don't do it. Over simplified I know but true to me.
It's why discussions like this are also important to me. While I'll never understand of why they are who they are. I will not ignore them as family because they are who they are. I'm glad they're happy.
I have a gay brother who, when he was a teenager, attempted suicide. I knew he was gay, but he didn't come out to my family until he was in his late 30s. We grew up in a very conservative, evangelical family and I'm sure that made it even harder on him. So when my niece--who was home-schooled in an even more severely conservative household in Texas--recently came out, and then MOVED out of her parents house, I reached out to her to let her know that if she ever felt trapped or stuck, she could come up to Colorado and stay with me until she figured something out. I don't think us "breeders" know the full extent to which this kind of thing messes with your head. Her mother was in hysterics to me over the phone. "She'll never get married! She'll never have kids!" Really? Why not?
I suspect her mother, who has been quite a conservative activist, will soon be fighting to get the marriage laws changed in Texas. Sometimes it takes issues "hitting home" in order for change to take place. Their story is very close to my nieces life. Her family and the community she grew up in made it very difficult to come out. She tried to deny what she was. She even married a guy young but ended very quickly. She got really depressed. Then she made a choice. She moved away to a large city where she for the 1st time found acceptance. Her family when she finally did come out surprised her I think. They did accept it. However it was the fear because of the way they spoke about it .She was ashamed to be one of "them" people maybe. She still lives in the city though.
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