Thomas showed well at the Senior Bowl, and I mocked him to the Vikes in The Second at that time. He's another guy that doesn't have the college production Goedert does.
I agree with your assessments on Gesicki, and Hurst pretty much across the board.
I think all three can be starters. I see 5 TEs going by Round 3. (Andrews, Thomas, DG, Hurst, Gesicki)
If The Team waits on TE, like I think they will, I'm gonna keep an eye on Chris Herndon, who was hampered by injury last year, but would be an interesting pick in the third or fourth round.
Then there's a deep sleeper at Weber St, Andrew Voller, I like in The Sixth - A Team Captain and experienced player with upside.
Oh, and Damon Gipson might be a local guy worth a FA look as a conversion project.
Hope springs eternal this year will be the year they finally acquire the elusive Move TE.
Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
I still think the best value at TE is Fumagalli early Day 3...
I think he would be a great addition. Not sure he will be there in the 5th if we stay at 167.
May need to package one of our 6th rounders to move up and grab him.
I do have concerns on how weak he tested at the combine and how well he would be able to
block in the NFL.
I get the whole "what if Rudolph gets hurt... then what?" feeling but by that logic shouldn't we take a QB?
I hope one of the "can't miss" O-linemen fall into our lap at 30 and we run to the podium. That will put my mind at ease and I'd be good with going CB, TE, DL, or LB with the next couple of picks. But if we don't get OL at 30 I will really be sweating during rounds 2-3 hoping we can find a guy. The draft is going to be a fun and stressful time as always!
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ kahsmick said:
I have Hayden Hurst in my Top 50.
Gesicki is absolutely ridiculous. I would have to take him w second pick just because.
41+ vertical on a 6'-5" frame with 4.54 speed, and ball skilz??? He's got the highest ceiling ever, or he could get his 243 lb frame crushed. I really like him, right around #60.
Goedert is much less of a threat offensively than either of these two, IMHO. I like the Whitten comparison. I've had him going mid-third-round for months.
I don't necessarily agree with you since Gesicki's great combine didn't translate to or from his tape the past two years. Many have made him out to be this freak athlete. While he is big/fast he was used more as a H-back in the Penn offense and has a long ways to go before he is a legitimate threat at the NFL level. All TE's take some time to adapt to the NFL but Gesicki's translation is going to be tough. He isn't overly physical and his change of direction skills aren't as good on film. He is very much like OJ Howard from a year ago in the sense that you start falling in love with the body rather than the player. He has tremendous upside if he puts it together, but is also the riskiest in my opinion.
Goedert as an offensive threat is between Gesicki and Hurst. He isn't as quick but has the best hands of the three. He also does the best getting seperation up the seam and off inside fades. That should give him some upside right away even in a limited role. The thing with Goedert is that although he played against a lower level of competition he won in almost every way. He also is a bully with the ball in his hands and wants to use his size to run people over. You can't really teach someone to use their size that way. If you balance risk/reward he probably has the best chance to be the best of the three in time. But you would be giving away some short-term upside in Hurst for long-term production.
At this point I don't know if you really should consider Hurst overrated (some media members) or underrated (a lot of draft sites). He is the most pro ready of the three and can line up anywhere on the field. Right away he is the best route runner and blocker. He likely won't be a great blocker in the NFL but he is willing to use his size to get in the way. His upside is definitely limited though. His talent is somewhat maximized by being an already good route runner and his only upside is adding small nuances to his game. He won't be able to dominate with his physical skills.
The one least talked about is Ian Thomas. He is a ways away but as a team he can be molded into the player you want/need. Instead of using him in a specific role you can either develop him as an in-line TE or as a moving receiver. That doesn't really fit the Vikings needs but he does have a lot of untapped potential.
What do you think of Mark Andrews? Never going to be an in-line TE, but maybe he fills a role like Jordan Reed (which our new QB may miss)?
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ kahsmick said:
I have Hayden Hurst in my Top 50.
Gesicki is absolutely ridiculous. I would have to take him w second pick just because.
41+ vertical on a 6'-5" frame with 4.54 speed, and ball skilz??? He's got the highest ceiling ever, or he could get his 243 lb frame crushed. I really like him, right around #60.
Goedert is much less of a threat offensively than either of these two, IMHO. I like the Whitten comparison. I've had him going mid-third-round for months.
I don't necessarily agree with you since Gesicki's great combine didn't translate to or from his tape the past two years. Many have made him out to be this freak athlete. While he is big/fast he was used more as a H-back in the Penn offense and has a long ways to go before he is a legitimate threat at the NFL level. All TE's take some time to adapt to the NFL but Gesicki's translation is going to be tough. He isn't overly physical and his change of direction skills aren't as good on film. He is very much like OJ Howard from a year ago in the sense that you start falling in love with the body rather than the player. He has tremendous upside if he puts it together, but is also the riskiest in my opinion.
Goedert as an offensive threat is between Gesicki and Hurst. He isn't as quick but has the best hands of the three. He also does the best getting seperation up the seam and off inside fades. That should give him some upside right away even in a limited role. The thing with Goedert is that although he played against a lower level of competition he won in almost every way. He also is a bully with the ball in his hands and wants to use his size to run people over. You can't really teach someone to use their size that way. If you balance risk/reward he probably has the best chance to be the best of the three in time. But you would be giving away some short-term upside in Hurst for long-term production.
At this point I don't know if you really should consider Hurst overrated (some media members) or underrated (a lot of draft sites). He is the most pro ready of the three and can line up anywhere on the field. Right away he is the best route runner and blocker. He likely won't be a great blocker in the NFL but he is willing to use his size to get in the way. His upside is definitely limited though. His talent is somewhat maximized by being an already good route runner and his only upside is adding small nuances to his game. He won't be able to dominate with his physical skills.
The one least talked about is Ian Thomas. He is a ways away but as a team he can be molded into the player you want/need. Instead of using him in a specific role you can either develop him as an in-line TE or as a moving receiver. That doesn't really fit the Vikings needs but he does have a lot of untapped potential.
What do you think of Mark Andrews? Never going to be an in-line TE, but maybe he fills a role like Jordan Reed (which our new QB may miss)?
I don't mind Andrews but I wouldn't really consider him until the 3rd. If you're looking for a TE you can use to simply be a large receiver he definitely could be a good fit. For a guy his size his tape speed is also a nice bonus.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
I get the whole "what if Rudolph gets hurt... then what?" feeling but by that logic shouldn't we take a QB?
I hope one of the "can't miss" O-linemen fall into our lap at 30 and we run to the podium. That will put my mind at ease and I'd be good with going CB, TE, DL, or LB with the next couple of picks. But if we don't get OL at 30 I will really be sweating during rounds 2-3 hoping we can find a guy. The draft is going to be a fun and stressful time as always!
If a top QB fell to them at #30 I would have no problem with them taking him. This would be a great time to get the next franchise QB and let him sit on the bench for a few years. Several teams have done this with success.
And many of us arent sold on just because they paid Cousins like a top QB it actually makes him one.
Quote: @Poiple said:
@ pattersaur said:
I get the whole "what if Rudolph gets hurt... then what?" feeling but by that logic shouldn't we take a QB?
I hope one of the "can't miss" O-linemen fall into our lap at 30 and we run to the podium. That will put my mind at ease and I'd be good with going CB, TE, DL, or LB with the next couple of picks. But if we don't get OL at 30 I will really be sweating during rounds 2-3 hoping we can find a guy. The draft is going to be a fun and stressful time as always!
If a top QB fell to them at #30 I would have no problem with them taking him. This would be a great time to get the next franchise QB and let him sit on the bench for a few years. Several teams have done this with success.
And many of us arent sold on just because they paid Cousins like a top QB it actually makes him one.
For realz? Oh I would have a big problem with it. I wouldn't shoot my TV, I would come over to your house and shoot YOUR TV.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Poiple said:
@ pattersaur said:
I get the whole "what if Rudolph gets hurt... then what?" feeling but by that logic shouldn't we take a QB?
I hope one of the "can't miss" O-linemen fall into our lap at 30 and we run to the podium. That will put my mind at ease and I'd be good with going CB, TE, DL, or LB with the next couple of picks. But if we don't get OL at 30 I will really be sweating during rounds 2-3 hoping we can find a guy. The draft is going to be a fun and stressful time as always!
If a top QB fell to them at #30 I would have no problem with them taking him. This would be a great time to get the next franchise QB and let him sit on the bench for a few years. Several teams have done this with success.
And many of us arent sold on just because they paid Cousins like a top QB it actually makes him one.
For realz? Oh I would have a big problem with it. I wouldn't shoot my TV, I would come over to your house and shoot YOUR TV.
There are 4 QBs slated to possibly go in the top 10.
So you are saying that if one of these guys slips to us at #30 you would be upset at them taking him? hmmmm.... interesting. Its all starting to make sense now.
Quote: @Poiple said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Poiple said:
@ pattersaur said:
I get the whole "what if Rudolph gets hurt... then what?" feeling but by that logic shouldn't we take a QB?
I hope one of the "can't miss" O-linemen fall into our lap at 30 and we run to the podium. That will put my mind at ease and I'd be good with going CB, TE, DL, or LB with the next couple of picks. But if we don't get OL at 30 I will really be sweating during rounds 2-3 hoping we can find a guy. The draft is going to be a fun and stressful time as always!
If a top QB fell to them at #30 I would have no problem with them taking him. This would be a great time to get the next franchise QB and let him sit on the bench for a few years. Several teams have done this with success.
And many of us arent sold on just because they paid Cousins like a top QB it actually makes him one.
For realz? Oh I would have a big problem with it. I wouldn't shoot my TV, I would come over to your house and shoot YOUR TV.
There are 4 QBs slated to possibly go in the top 10.
So you are saying that if one of these guys slips to us at #30 you would be upset at them taking him? hmmmm.... interesting. Its all starting to make sense now.
It does. Maroon understands roster construction. Show us a team that believes they have a Franchise QB that went ahead and drafted a QB that fell in the First.
And has been pointed out in another post not one of these QBs is without significant warts. Sam throws too many picks. Rosen gets dinged up a lot. Allem may never develop and has accuracy issues. Mayfield is a hothead and can rely on escapability too much that probably won't translate to the NFL.
Meanwhile, the team gave a huge chunk of change to what they believe to be the guy, inked an experienced player to back him up and still have developmental QB Sloter.
Using their first pick on a QB would be irresponsible and poor roster management. Not to you because you won't buy into the guy who's thrown for 4k three consecutive years, we all get that you aren't on board with the move. But projecting your distrust onto the FO makes no sense. They made their play and have to live with however it turns out.
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