Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being.
so the team thinks theres more than what weve seen from Easton? Good to hear!
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being.
so the team thinks theres more than what weve seen from Easton? Good to hear!
Remember, that center competition between Elflein and Easton went down to the wire. I think it's pretty clear the Vikings like Easton. I certainly had no complaints when he was playing left guard next to Elf. What I'm kinda wondering is what if that BPA in the draft is a center? A guy like Ragnow or Price. Do you consider moving Elflein to right guard? He's stated that he actually prefers guard. And at OSU he graded better at guard than center, too. I know to some that sounds like nails on a chalkboard, but it's something we may consider.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being. I think much of the issue with Easton are his physical appearance. He doesn't look like an NFL quality body. But as you say, he played very well with Elflein. He moves in space well (again belying his outer appearances) and the o-line was solid on that side. I think Joe was the weak link and hope we upgrade that spot with a mauler.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being.
so the team thinks theres more than what weve seen from Easton? Good to hear!
Remember, that center competition between Elflein and Easton went down to the wire. I think it's pretty clear the Vikings like Easton. I certainly had no complaints when he was playing left guard next to Elf. What I'm kinda wondering is what if that BPA in the draft is a center? A guy like Ragnow or Price. Do you consider moving Elflein to right guard? He's stated that he actually prefers guard. And at OSU he graded better at guard than center, too. I know to some that sounds like nails on a chalkboard, but it's something we may consider.
Something to consider, but dunno, that chemistry with Elf at center was pretty dang good. He seemed to have the head for it as well, so I just don't see the Vikings messing with that interior.
Quote: @greediron said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being. I think much of the issue with Easton are his physical appearance. He doesn't look like an NFL quality body. But as you say, he played very well with Elflein. He moves in space well (again belying his outer appearances) and the o-line was solid on that side. I think Joe was the weak link and hope we upgrade that spot with a mauler.
I think Nick's body gets a bad rap. Dude is 6-2, 300 lbs, did 29 reps, ran a 5.1 and put up extraordinarily good jump, cone and shuttle numbers. Athletically, he makes Pat Elflein look like Orlando Brown. Elflein, for example, did 22 reps, ran 5.3 and all of his explosion numbers are much lower than Easton's. That Easton is a Harvard kid with a doughboy face doesn't do him any favors.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being. I think much of the issue with Easton are his physical appearance. He doesn't look like an NFL quality body. But as you say, he played very well with Elflein. He moves in space well (again belying his outer appearances) and the o-line was solid on that side. I think Joe was the weak link and hope we upgrade that spot with a mauler.
I think Nick's body gets a bad rap. Dude is 6-2, 300 lbs, did 29 reps, ran a 5.1 and put up extraordinarily good jump, cone and shuttle numbers. Athletically, he makes Pat Elflein look like Orlando Brown. Elflein, for example, did 22 reps, ran 5.3 and all of his explosion numbers are much lower than Easton's. That Easton is a Harvard kid with a doughboy face doesn't do him any favors. Yes, his body makes him look unimpressive. All the team basically said, he would be the last guy picked. Look at him. Probably why he wasn't drafted as well. GM takes one look at him and crosses him off the list. But somehow, he is pretty impressive under that couch potato exterior.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
the only thing I keep coming back to is this, with 5 guards already on the roster, how much of an upside is there over them in taking one at 30?
Easton, Isidora, Remmers, and the 2 we signed this offseason.
I think Easton could easily be improved upon, and we really dont know about the other 4, but even with the top level Guards that should be available at 30, is there going to be as much value there for the Vikings as there might be at other positions?
The Vikings like Easton a lot more than most fans and media members do. Sometimes chemistry trumps individual talent. He works well with Elflein and doesn't have any limitations in what he can do. I think we'll know a lot more about Easton after the 2018 season since he should continue to improve in his second season as a starter.
As for the Remmers debate I see ongoing, the Vikings want him at guard. But that doesn't mean they're going to reach for a tackle to do that. If the guards available are significantly more valuable they'll scrap moving Remmers for the time being. I think much of the issue with Easton are his physical appearance. He doesn't look like an NFL quality body. But as you say, he played very well with Elflein. He moves in space well (again belying his outer appearances) and the o-line was solid on that side. I think Joe was the weak link and hope we upgrade that spot with a mauler.
I think Nick's body gets a bad rap. Dude is 6-2, 300 lbs, did 29 reps, ran a 5.1 and put up extraordinarily good jump, cone and shuttle numbers. Athletically, he makes Pat Elflein look like Orlando Brown. Elflein, for example, did 22 reps, ran 5.3 and all of his explosion numbers are much lower than Easton's. That Easton is a Harvard kid with a doughboy face doesn't do him any favors.
i agree that he plays better than the optics suggest, but he still doesnt look like an athlete out there despite his combine numbers. there are combine/weight room heroes and there are football players, sometimes they are one in the same and sometimes there are guys that just get it, whether thats at a skill position or at a braun position, Elf simply knows how to use what limited physical traits he has, Easton is getting by on on his braun at this point. hopefully he puts that brain with those quick twitch muscles and we have a truly dominant guard to show for it. I am sure those athletic skills are what has the coaches so high on him.
I think people in this thread are overrating the OLine here. They were much better than anything we've seen in several years, but we need a better starting OLine compared to last year, and we certainly need better depth. Murray and McKinnon both averaged less than 4 ypc. We've downgraded at RG as it stands, Elflein and Easton both had late season ankle injuries requiring surgery. Will they both be at full strength or is there a risk of a post injury slide? When Elflein goes down, I just don't trust Easton at C. It seems the whole OLine play drops noticeably when he's shifted over.
I totally agree that I'd prefer a T, but a top G prospect seems to line up with out picks much better.
I thought the OL was playing better and better as the season wore on with Easton being the weak link early but then starting to really gel. I thought Remmers was playing very well at RT and Elflein was solid at Center and getting better. Then the injuries started happening and we shifted everything out of necessity with not-so-good results.
I don't want to mess with success. I want Remmers to remain at RT and Elflein to stay at Center.
Now we need a replacement for Berger and I have no idea about the guys we brought in this offseason but I think we are in a great spot for one of the top Guards in the draft. We maybe be able to get a starting Guard in the second round like we did with Elflein in the 3rd last year.
I would not be shocked if we went with a Tackle, CB, OLB - BPA at 30 and then went Guard in the second with a move up. Maybe a guy like Price from OSU.
Like having Rick as GM, he is not afraid to move or down and work the draft. I think we will be surprised at 30.
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