Hernandez Link To Vikings Will Not Die

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We finally had some success along the OL last season and we need to keep the continuity IMO.  Remmers played RT well all season despite early panic on this board.  Then when he was moved to Guard with berger at center and Hill at RT we did not play well at all...so we saw the result of a shuffle.  So why would we want to move Elflein from Center and Remmers from RT?

I do not want to move any of those two when they both played well.  We need a replacement for Berger at Guard ... a day one starter.

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@Tyr said:
@"Geoff Nichols", do you think the Vikings need to spend an early pick to get a good man corner or could they develop an insurance plan for Waynes or Alexander with a 3rd-5th round pick? Also, is there any chance they go after a DE or S in the 1st round? I feel like we need another pass rusher in the mix, though maybe that is more of an interior than edge rusher. Also, would Ronnie Harrison be a good safety to pair with Harrison Smith?

Do they need to spend an early pick at corner? Probably not. But there are some good player that should be available near the end of the first. As much as we want to hone in on a pure corner I don't know if they'd pass on Justin Reid, it makes a ton of sense. He likely wouldn't replace Sendejo in 2018 but he can play all 5 DB spots which is the most valuable depth piece you can add. Basically, if anyone in the secondary goes down Reid is the replacement. In 2019 he would likely be able to replace Sendejo who would be in the last year of his contract. 

I wouldn't count out DE but the coaching staff has done a better job picking players with traits rather than paying a premium for finished products. Lorenzo Carter would be a unique selection that'd give Zimmer a number of different options. But finding a pass rusher with the traits the Vikings like in the 2nd/3rd rounds makes more sense to me.

EDIT - Oh, and on Ronnie Harrison he'd fit next to Smith in Sendejo's current role. But I think they'd prefer to find a safety who can be more versatile. 

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@JimmyinSD said:

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@"BarrNone55" said:

Will Hernandez - G - MinersNFL.com Analyst Bucky Brooks believes that UTEP G Will Hernandez could be a "missing" piece for the Vikings.
Hernandez is consistently grades as one of the best guards in the class, and if not for the ridiculousness that is Quenton Nelson he might be at the top. "The offensive line was vastly improved last season, but there is still a need for an upgrade at the guard position," writes Brooks. "Hernandez is a mauling run blocker and he's surprisingly nimble in pass protection. His physicality is a perfect fit for a team looking to close out wins with the running game." The only question is whether or not he'll still be around when Minnesota makes their 30th pick, so they may need to trade up to procure his services.

Source: NFL.com Apr 3 - 10:05 PM
I'm not seeing another prospect mocked to the Vikings more than the plus sized G...if you're going to have a dump truck on the line, RG is the place to plop one in... 

I do not think putting hernandez at right guard is a good idea.

http://utepathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=250

Started all 49 games played during career at the left guard position

I would hope they put him right where he has been over his collegiate career.

Moving him is a gamble and a guess.  Like what they did with Fusco.

What percent of college RT and RG end up in the pros vs what % of college LT and LG end up playing on the opposite side in the pro game?  I dont know either,  but I have to think that teams tend to put their better players on the QBs blind side that the better college linemen played over there as a whole, but at the next level many end up getting moved to the other side as they are not nearly as dominant in a much better talent pool.  I agree that he would likely play sooner at LG,   but will he fit in our scheme as a LG,  or even at all?

Guru or others,

Do you have an opinion on the above - drafting a guy who has played LG throughout college and projecting him to RG in the Pro's or visa versa???  

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After finally getting to watch some Will Hernandez, I no longer think he's an ill fit for the Vikings. Really impressed with how this beast of a man moves. Great trap and 2nd level blocker. A runaway truck on sweeps. 

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@minny65 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@MarkSP18 said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

Will Hernandez - G - MinersNFL.com Analyst Bucky Brooks believes that UTEP G Will Hernandez could be a "missing" piece for the Vikings.
Hernandez is consistently grades as one of the best guards in the class, and if not for the ridiculousness that is Quenton Nelson he might be at the top. "The offensive line was vastly improved last season, but there is still a need for an upgrade at the guard position," writes Brooks. "Hernandez is a mauling run blocker and he's surprisingly nimble in pass protection. His physicality is a perfect fit for a team looking to close out wins with the running game." The only question is whether or not he'll still be around when Minnesota makes their 30th pick, so they may need to trade up to procure his services.

Source: NFL.com Apr 3 - 10:05 PM
I'm not seeing another prospect mocked to the Vikings more than the plus sized G...if you're going to have a dump truck on the line, RG is the place to plop one in... 

I do not think putting hernandez at right guard is a good idea.

http://utepathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=250

Started all 49 games played during career at the left guard position

I would hope they put him right where he has been over his collegiate career.

Moving him is a gamble and a guess.  Like what they did with Fusco.

What percent of college RT and RG end up in the pros vs what % of college LT and LG end up playing on the opposite side in the pro game?  I dont know either,  but I have to think that teams tend to put their better players on the QBs blind side that the better college linemen played over there as a whole, but at the next level many end up getting moved to the other side as they are not nearly as dominant in a much better talent pool.  I agree that he would likely play sooner at LG,   but will he fit in our scheme as a LG,  or even at all?

Guru or others,

Do you have an opinion on the above - drafting a guy who has played LG throughout college and projecting him to RG in the Pro's or visa versa???  

I don't have actual numbers but in general collegiate RT's end up staying on that side of the line. Depending on height they have some guard flexibility. LT's are more of a crap shoot. Some end up staying at LT (60% maybe?) The other 40% end up being a mix of RT candidates and OG's. 

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@MaroonBells said:
After finally getting to watch some Will Hernandez, I no longer think he's an ill fit for the Vikings. Really impressed with how this beast of a man moves. Great trap and 2nd level blocker. A runaway truck on sweeps. 

After watching 4 games on Hernandez my takeaway was this. He is not someone you want to line up against simply because he is mean, physical, and plays with the mindset of putting you on the ground. He has the mental toughness and grittiness teams love. 

He definitely moves better than most give him credit for. I fell into that camp (December ish) before I watched enough film. He traps extremely well and can get to the second level. Will he ever be an elite guard in space? Probably not. But he's functional enough that you should be able to work around any limitation. 

The bigger question is if he's going to meet the Vikings measurement thresholds. They want players who don't necessarily win with brute force, but with leverage. So arm length is going to be a factor for them. They don't need players with the vines for arms but close to 33" is where they generally draw the line. Hernandez has the 18th shortest arms at amongst interior O-lineman since 2010, most being centers. At center you can get away with it, not so much at OG. Just something to consider since the Vikings have passed on players due to measurable's more than once recently.  

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@MaroonBells said:
After finally getting to watch some Will Hernandez, I no longer think he's an ill fit for the Vikings. Really impressed with how this beast of a man moves. Great trap and 2nd level blocker. A runaway truck on sweeps. 

The bigger question is if he's going to meet the Vikings measurement thresholds. They want players who don't necessarily win with brute force, but with leverage. So arm length is going to be a factor for them. They don't need players with the vines for arms but close to 33" is where they generally draw the line. Hernandez has the 18th shortest arms at amongst interior O-lineman since 2010, most being centers. At center you can get away with it, not so much at OG. Just something to consider since the Vikings have passed on players due to measurable's more than once recently.  

Good points, Geoff... Player	School	Height	Weight	Arm
Player	School	Height	Weight	Arm
Brian Allen	Michigan State	6-1	300	32 3/8
Dave Bright	Stanford	6-5	299	33 1/4
Orlando Brown	Oklahoma	6-8	345	35
Alex Cappa	Humboldt State	6-6	305	32 5/8
Geron Christian	Louisville	6-5	298	35
Will Clapp	LSU	6-4	314	31 1/4
Mason Cole	Michigan	6-4	305	32 1/8
Austin Corbett	Nevada	6-4	306	33 1/8
Tyrell Crosby	Oregon	6-5	309	35 1/4
James Daniels	Iowa	6-3	306	33 3/4
Jamil Demby	Maine	6-4	335	33 3/4
Nick Gates	Nebraska	6-5	295	32
Colby Gossett	Appalachian State	6-5	315	33 7/8
Des Harrison	West Georgia	6-6	292	34
Taylor Hearn	Clemson	6-4	330	32 1/2
Will Hernandez	UTEP	6-2	327	32
Jamarco Jones	Ohio State	6-4	299	35 1/8
Sam Jones	Arizona State	6-5	290	31
Jaryd Jones-Smith	Pittsburgh	6-6	317	36 1/4
Rick Leonard	Florida State	6-7	305	32 1/4
Cole Madison	Washington State	6-5	313	32 1/4
K.J. Malone	LSU	6-4	321	33 1/2
K.C. McDermott	Miami	6-6	300	32 1/2
Mike McGlinchey	Notre Dame	6-8	309	34
Kolton Miller	UCLA	6-9	309	34
Quenton Nelson	Notre Dame	6-5	325	33 3/4
Joe Noteboom	TCU	6-5	309	34 3/8
Chuks Okorafor	Western Michigan	6-6	320	34 1/2
Brian O'Neill	Pittsburgh	6-7	297	34
Brandon Parker	N.C. A&T	6-8	305	35
Timon Parris	Stony Brook	6-6	320	33 7/8
Skyler Phillips	Idaho State	6-3	324	33
Billy Price	Ohio State	6-4	305	32
Scott Quessenberry	UCLA	6-4	315	31 3/4
Frank Ragnow	Arkansas	6-5	312	33 1/8
Martinas Rankin	Mississippi State	6-4	308	33 3/4
Will Richardson	N.C. State	6-6	306	35 1/4
Greg Senat	Wagner	6-6	305	34 7/8
Coleman Shelton	Washington	6-3	295	31 1/2
Braden Smith	Auburn	6-6	315	32 1/4
Rod Taylor	Ole Miss	6-3	321	34 1/4
Wyatt Teller	Virginia Tech	6-4	301	34
Brett Toth	Army	6-6	305	33 3/8
Leka Uhatafe	Utah	6-5	295	33
Toby Weathersby	LSU	6-4	317	33 1/4
Sean Welsh	Iowa	6-3	300	32
Connor Williams	Texas	6-5	296	33
Isaiah Wynn	Georgia	6-3	313	33 3/8

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@Bolstad79 said:

@prairieghost said:
I don't know about you guys, but I sure don't want to see Trevor Siemian anywhere but on the sidelines holding a clipboard this season. I'd say in light of the 84 million dollar investment that was just made, it would seem prudent to select an OL with the first pick to protect said investment.
Just ask the Packers how bad it sucks to start a backup for the bulk of the season... 

Why not just ask the Vikings.

Good point...
I think we're all so used to the carousel that we don't allow ourselves to use it as an excuse like, say, the Packers do

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Billy Price at 32” as well...   :o

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Well let's not overrate the arm length either. Joe Thomas had 32 inch arms and he played left tackle. So did Jake, um, Long. DJ Fluker might have the record for longest arms and he was an all out bust...even as a guard, where arm length is less important. Both Pounceys, DeCastro just over 32. Justin Pugh 32. Reiff, a left tackle, has 33 inch arms, as does Bulaga...We'll see how Forrest Lamp does with his 32 inch arms. 

I get why you want your OLs to have long arms, but this might be one of the more overrated factors in the draft.