Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Unbelievable. If anyone falls for that, they deserve what they get.
Exactly. If Napoleon Dynamite... I mean Nick Foles... gets traded for a 1st and a 4th someone is losing their job.
***RING**** "Thank you for calling the World Champion Philadelphia Eagles. How may I direct your call? Mmmm...OK. Please hold a few minutes and I'll see if he's available."
***RING*** "Coach Pederson? Cleveland Browns on line 1."
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000640541/article/sam-bradford-agrees-to-twoyear-36m-eagles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000640541/article/sam-bradford-agrees-to-twoyear-36m-eagles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
Think of it this way:
Bradford signed a 2 year contract worth $36M with $18M guaranteed. $11M of that guaranteed money was in the form of a signing bonus, the other $7M was his 2016 salary. Cap structure was as follows.
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $12.5M / Dead Cap $18M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $23.5M / Dead Cap $5.5M
Typically you don't see such heavy signing bonuses in a deal like this, the Eagles were aware of what they were doing. First, they were ok with eating $11M if it meant they'd have a larger trade market for Bradford. A $7 & $18M cap hits for a starting caliber QB are a steal. Second, it assure Bradford camp of a decision before the 2018 league year and reduced the chance Sam would get stuck behind a rookie in Carson Wentz.
In the Vikings eyes, although they were desperate for help they weren't only getting a rental but really a top level player (in their eyes) at a significant discount. The cap structure for them is:
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $7M / Dead Cap $7M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $18M / Dead Cap $0M
So although they didn't negotiate any salary being retained the Eagles took the initiative on the front end. In the end that is a bargaining chip that absolutely were brought up in negotiations when deciding on trade compensation.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...agles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
Think of it this way:
Bradford signed a 2 year contract worth $36M with $18M guaranteed. $11M of that guaranteed money was in the form of a signing bonus, the other $7M was his 2016 salary. Cap structure was as follows.
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $12.5M / Dead Cap $18M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $23.5M / Dead Cap $5.5M
Typically you don't see such heavy signing bonuses in a deal like this, the Eagles were aware of what they were doing. First, they were ok with eating $11M if it meant they'd have a larger trade market for Bradford. A $7 & $18M cap hits for a starting caliber QB are a steal. Second, it assure Bradford camp of a decision before the 2018 league year and reduced the chance Sam would get stuck behind a rookie in Carson Wentz.
In the Vikings eyes, although they were desperate for help they weren't only getting a rental but really a top level player (in their eyes) at a significant discount. The cap structure for them is:
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $7M / Dead Cap $7M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $18M / Dead Cap $0M
So although they didn't negotiate any salary being retained the Eagles took the initiative on the front end. In the end that is a bargaining chip that absolutely were brought up in negotiations when deciding on trade compensation.
Should that be 2016 and 2017, he's a 2018 FA correct?
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000640541/article/sam-bradford-agrees-to-twoyear-36m-eagles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
IIRC Jimmy was still getting weekly checks after the trade for some reason. I dont recall the specifics, but there was something about the Pats still paying him, I dont recall the story, but it was something to do with the terms of the trade or his contract or something like that.
as far as Sams deal... it was reported at the time that the iggles were paying 11 million of the 18 that he was owed that year so I am sure thats where the confusion came from. several media outlets including the leagues own NFL network reported it as such.
The Vikings gave up a first-round pick in 2017 and a fourth-round pick in 2018 that can become a third- or second-rounder based on conditions -- a massive price to pay for what could amount to one season of work. The Eagles paid $11 million of Bradford's salary as part of the deal, which means Minnesota will only be on the hook for $7 million in 2016, according to NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...agles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
Think of it this way:
Bradford signed a 2 year contract worth $36M with $18M guaranteed. $11M of that guaranteed money was in the form of a signing bonus, the other $7M was his 2016 salary. Cap structure was as follows.
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $12.5M / Dead Cap $18M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $23.5M / Dead Cap $5.5M
Typically you don't see such heavy signing bonuses in a deal like this, the Eagles were aware of what they were doing. First, they were ok with eating $11M if it meant they'd have a larger trade market for Bradford. A $7 & $18M cap hits for a starting caliber QB are a steal. Second, it assure Bradford camp of a decision before the 2018 league year and reduced the chance Sam would get stuck behind a rookie in Carson Wentz.
In the Vikings eyes, although they were desperate for help they weren't only getting a rental but really a top level player (in their eyes) at a significant discount. The cap structure for them is:
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $7M / Dead Cap $7M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $18M / Dead Cap $0M
So although they didn't negotiate any salary being retained the Eagles took the initiative on the front end. In the end that is a bargaining chip that absolutely were brought up in negotiations when deciding on trade compensation.
Should that be 2016 and 2017, he's a 2018 FA correct?
Yes, I was thinking about current contracts.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ NodakViking said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...agles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
Think of it this way:
Bradford signed a 2 year contract worth $36M with $18M guaranteed. $11M of that guaranteed money was in the form of a signing bonus, the other $7M was his 2016 salary. Cap structure was as follows.
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $12.5M / Dead Cap $18M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $23.5M / Dead Cap $5.5M
Typically you don't see such heavy signing bonuses in a deal like this, the Eagles were aware of what they were doing. First, they were ok with eating $11M if it meant they'd have a larger trade market for Bradford. A $7 & $18M cap hits for a starting caliber QB are a steal. Second, it assure Bradford camp of a decision before the 2018 league year and reduced the chance Sam would get stuck behind a rookie in Carson Wentz.
In the Vikings eyes, although they were desperate for help they weren't only getting a rental but really a top level player (in their eyes) at a significant discount. The cap structure for them is:
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $7M / Dead Cap $7M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $18M / Dead Cap $0M
So although they didn't negotiate any salary being retained the Eagles took the initiative on the front end. In the end that is a bargaining chip that absolutely were brought up in negotiations when deciding on trade compensation.
Should that be 2016 and 2017, he's a 2018 FA correct?
Yes, I was thinking about current contracts.
What is your gut feeling for who the QB ends up being? If you got a 10x payout for your correct guess who would it be and how much would you bet?
So much BS flying around in the media circles I can't sort through the information vs disinformation.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ NodakViking said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...agles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
Think of it this way:
Bradford signed a 2 year contract worth $36M with $18M guaranteed. $11M of that guaranteed money was in the form of a signing bonus, the other $7M was his 2016 salary. Cap structure was as follows.
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $12.5M / Dead Cap $18M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $23.5M / Dead Cap $5.5M
Typically you don't see such heavy signing bonuses in a deal like this, the Eagles were aware of what they were doing. First, they were ok with eating $11M if it meant they'd have a larger trade market for Bradford. A $7 & $18M cap hits for a starting caliber QB are a steal. Second, it assure Bradford camp of a decision before the 2018 league year and reduced the chance Sam would get stuck behind a rookie in Carson Wentz.
In the Vikings eyes, although they were desperate for help they weren't only getting a rental but really a top level player (in their eyes) at a significant discount. The cap structure for them is:
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $7M / Dead Cap $7M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $18M / Dead Cap $0M
So although they didn't negotiate any salary being retained the Eagles took the initiative on the front end. In the end that is a bargaining chip that absolutely were brought up in negotiations when deciding on trade compensation.
Should that be 2016 and 2017, he's a 2018 FA correct?
Yes, I was thinking about current contracts.
What is your gut feeling for who the QB ends up being? If you got a 10x payout for your correct guess who would it be and how much would you bet?
So much BS flying around in the media circles I can't sort through the information vs disinformation.
The media is a circus this time of year. I actually took a look back at rumors a year ago this time and I'm convinced 30% or less was the truth. Alshon Jeffery was resigning with the Bears, Matt Kalil was destined to stay in MN, and MN was also very much in the running for Ricky Wagner. Well, times sure changed quick comes the following week when the memorandum opened.
In my opinion I think the Vikings are interested in Cousins but won't overbid to add him. They well know they're the best situation for any QB on the market. The idea that its a "done deal" is agent talk at this point. It honestly wouldn't shock me if Cousin's reps realize the Vikings/Broncos won't offer top dollar due to their situations and need to get the Jets to bid against themselves. We'll see. I'd leave it as there is interest on both sides but there aren't terms agreed to and a week to go. Aside from Kirk the Vikings have had ongoing conversations with Case's agent. The idea he'd have hurt feelings isn't true. Any team he signs with this off-season likely knows Cousins was that teams primary target.
Sounds like boiler plate Spielman is sure to follow with “we were in it ‘til our price point, but we just couldn’t go beyond that!” 
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ NodakViking said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ NodakViking said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ Jor-El said:
I heard Adam Schefter talking about this on the radio last week and he compared Foles and Bradford similarly. But a lot of people seem to forget that the Eagles sent more than just the rights to Bradford in that deal: they paid $11 Million of Bradford's 2016 salary. "Draft picks for money" is an uncomfortable topic for people, but it's reality; there were conversations indicating the Vikings could have obtained Bradford for a 2nd-rounder if they could have paid his salary without help.
So this reasoning says Foles is actually worth more than Bradford. OK, they can ask for a 1+4...doesn't mean they can get it.
I do not believe they paid any of Bradford's salary nor can they.
Here were the terms of his deal ...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...agles-deal
The contract is worth $36 million, according to NFL Media Insider Ian
Rapoport, per a source who has seen the deal. Bradford will receive $22
million guaranteed at signing, which balloons to $26 million when injury
guarantees are added. The deal includes an $11 million signing bonus
and he will make a $7 million base salary in 2016 with $4 million
guaranteed in 2017.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/1/11143620/sam-bradford-contract-details-eagles-philadelphia-salary-cap-dead-money
According to Andrew Brandt, the deal actually breaks down like this:
$22 million of the deal is guaranteed. Bradford gets an $11 million
signing bonus, with a $7 million salary this coming season. In 2017, $4
million of his deal is guaranteed, with a $4 million guarantee in case
of injury.
There was no money that they agreed to pay. They had to pay his signing bonus.
the signing bonus was a large part of the money he made that year.... they paid 11 million of his contract even if it wasnt called salary per say. just like what we are going to be offering cousins next week... 30 million a year or what ever it ends up being will be a combination of salary, signing bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.
as far as not being able to do it, the pats were still paying garrapallo after he went to the niners. hell garrapallo got a superbowl check.
But that is not part of the trade. They have to pay what they guaranteed and signing bonuses are always given right away and the cap is spread up to 5 years as you know already I am sure.
They paid Sam the 11 mil and took the 5.5 mil cap hit when they traded him but did not have to pay the 7 mil salary.
Jimmyy G just got a share because he was on the team. Post season money does not matter in trades.
Think of it this way:
Bradford signed a 2 year contract worth $36M with $18M guaranteed. $11M of that guaranteed money was in the form of a signing bonus, the other $7M was his 2016 salary. Cap structure was as follows.
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $12.5M / Dead Cap $18M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $5.5M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $23.5M / Dead Cap $5.5M
Typically you don't see such heavy signing bonuses in a deal like this, the Eagles were aware of what they were doing. First, they were ok with eating $11M if it meant they'd have a larger trade market for Bradford. A $7 & $18M cap hits for a starting caliber QB are a steal. Second, it assure Bradford camp of a decision before the 2018 league year and reduced the chance Sam would get stuck behind a rookie in Carson Wentz.
In the Vikings eyes, although they were desperate for help they weren't only getting a rental but really a top level player (in their eyes) at a significant discount. The cap structure for them is:
2017 - Salary $7M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $0 / Cap Hit $7M / Dead Cap $7M
2018 - Salary $14M / Signing Bonus $0M / Roster Bonus $4M / Cap Hit $18M / Dead Cap $0M
So although they didn't negotiate any salary being retained the Eagles took the initiative on the front end. In the end that is a bargaining chip that absolutely were brought up in negotiations when deciding on trade compensation.
Should that be 2016 and 2017, he's a 2018 FA correct?
Yes, I was thinking about current contracts.
What is your gut feeling for who the QB ends up being? If you got a 10x payout for your correct guess who would it be and how much would you bet?
So much BS flying around in the media circles I can't sort through the information vs disinformation.
The media is a circus this time of year. I actually took a look back at rumors a year ago this time and I'm convinced 30% or less was the truth. Alshon Jeffery was resigning with the Bears, Matt Kalil was destined to stay in MN, and MN was also very much in the running for Ricky Wagner. Well, times sure changed quick comes the following week when the memorandum opened.
In my opinion I think the Vikings are interested in Cousins but won't overbid to add him. They well know they're the best situation for any QB on the market. The idea that its a "done deal" is agent talk at this point. It honestly wouldn't shock me if Cousin's reps realize the Vikings/Broncos won't offer top dollar due to their situations and need to get the Jets to bid against themselves. We'll see. I'd leave it as there is interest on both sides but there aren't terms agreed to and a week to go. Aside from Kirk the Vikings have had ongoing conversations with Case's agent. The idea he'd have hurt feelings isn't true. Any team he signs with this off-season likely knows Cousins was that teams primary target.
Nice write up; however, you completely dodged what he had asked you B)
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