Hartman: Vikings should end the chatter and sign Keenum to long-term deal

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I agree, Sid.  Get Case then Teddy, and we roll with Sloter as the development QB.

There, Sid and I just solved the Vikings QB quandry - have a nice day, Longshippers.  B)

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This would be such a no-brainer if we could just somehow keep Bradford healthy. He's a top 5 QB easily.

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@KingBash said:
This would be such a no-brainer if we could just somehow keep Bradford healthy. He's a top 5 QB easily.

Be damn awesome if this could just be figured out, wouldn't it?

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Maybe he is healthy.  James Andrews did his knee cleanup and said he's good to go.   But Dr. Mike ZImmer says it's "degenerative."   What to think...

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@comet52 said:
Maybe he is healthy.  James Andrews did his knee cleanup and said he's good to go.   But Dr. Mike ZImmer says it's "degenerative."   What to think...

ive been called a degenerate for years and I can still move around fine... i say give him a contract.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@comet52 said:
Maybe he is healthy.  James Andrews did his knee cleanup and said he's good to go.   But Dr. Mike ZImmer says it's "degenerative."   What to think...

ive been called a degenerate for years and I can still move around fine... i say give him a contract.

I dont think the fans are up for the performance incentives you have in mind.

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@Poiple said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@comet52 said:
Maybe he is healthy.  James Andrews did his knee cleanup and said he's good to go.   But Dr. Mike ZImmer says it's "degenerative."   What to think...

ive been called a degenerate for years and I can still move around fine... i say give him a contract.

I dont think the fans are up for the performance incentives you have in mind.

to borrow from Wetlander....

BOOM!!!

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@comet52 said:
Maybe he is healthy.  James Andrews did his knee cleanup and said he's good to go.   But Dr. Mike ZImmer says it's "degenerative."   What to think...

Where's the quote that he said it was degenerative.  I've heard hearsay about it, but not actually seen it.

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@MarkSP18 said:

@StickyBun said:

@Poiple said:

@StickyBun said:

@Poiple said:
I think you could say that about any Qb.  
Im guessing the Vikes sign Keenum and Teddy to performance incentive, cap friendly contracts.  If they fight it out in camp I think Teddy probably wins if he is back to form.

Yep, that sounds just like what they will do. Safe, conservative and will ultimately end in some kind of ass whipping to a superior team in the playoffs. I think many fans forget the Vikings were one miracle catch away from one and done again.

Hi Sticky,  I always enjoy you as a poster but I think we disagree on this one.
I think that the Vikes lost due to anything except Qb play in those last 6 quarters.   Maybe some experience is all The Vikes need but i think they will continue  to lose big games until they solidify the D and the Oline depth.  

I am very surprised that no one wants to talk about how terrible the defense played in those 6 quarters.   They are supposed to be the strength of the team and the biggest investment in draft picks and probably salary (totally guessing here lol)    They looked like hell.  The Olines woes could be expected with injuries and reshuffling but the D seemed to lose it it unexpectedly.  Rhodes went a little nuts after our safety was knocked out but I cant see that as a reason for them to lose their identity.

 A side note...  Isnt it a little surprising and strange how few turnovers the D generated throughout the season?

Good points.

I have been saying this a little around here and I believe it bears repeating.

The Eagles rotated their defensive line all season long.  Here are the snaps played numbers ...

EAGLES
Player : Team : Def Snaps : Def Snap Pct
55-B.Graham : PHI : 666 : 64.60%
75-V.Curry : PHI : 578 : 56.10%
91-F.Cox : PHI : 608 : 59.00%
94-B.Allen : PHI : 422 : 40.90%
93-T.Jernigan : PHI : 492 : 47.70%
56-C.Long : PHI : 496 : 48.10%
96-D.Barnett : PHI : 424 : 41.10%
97-D.Vaeao : PHI : 230 : 22.30%
98-E.Qualls : PHI : 103 : 10.00%
51-S.Means : PHI : 53 : 5.10%
74-J.Hamilton : PHI : 44 : 4.30%

VIKINGS
99-D.Hunter : MIN : 775 : 77.70%
97-E.Griffen : MIN : 795 : 79.70%
92-T.Johnson : MIN : 675 : 67.60%
98-L.Joseph : MIN : 664 : 66.50%
96-B.Robison : MIN : 563 : 56.40%
93-S.Stephen : MIN : 384 : 38.50%
91-S.Weatherly : MIN : 89 : 8.90%
94-J.Johnson : MIN : 41 : 4.10%
90-T.Bower : MIN : 10 : 1.00%

You have to ask why the Vikings did not get Stephen and Johnson more playing time?

The line clearly wore down and Griffen had something going in with his foot at the end.

I hope that Zimmer is able to pick something up from the Eagles and play all of his defensive linemen more.

The line was not getting enough pressure in the last two games.

 This is exactly why our defense wore down.

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@ap88ap28 said:

@MarkSP18 said:

@StickyBun said:

@Poiple said:

@StickyBun said:

@Poiple said:
I think you could say that about any Qb.  
Im guessing the Vikes sign Keenum and Teddy to performance incentive, cap friendly contracts.  If they fight it out in camp I think Teddy probably wins if he is back to form.

Yep, that sounds just like what they will do. Safe, conservative and will ultimately end in some kind of ass whipping to a superior team in the playoffs. I think many fans forget the Vikings were one miracle catch away from one and done again.

Hi Sticky,  I always enjoy you as a poster but I think we disagree on this one.
I think that the Vikes lost due to anything except Qb play in those last 6 quarters.   Maybe some experience is all The Vikes need but i think they will continue  to lose big games until they solidify the D and the Oline depth.  

I am very surprised that no one wants to talk about how terrible the defense played in those 6 quarters.   They are supposed to be the strength of the team and the biggest investment in draft picks and probably salary (totally guessing here lol)    They looked like hell.  The Olines woes could be expected with injuries and reshuffling but the D seemed to lose it it unexpectedly.  Rhodes went a little nuts after our safety was knocked out but I cant see that as a reason for them to lose their identity.

 A side note...  Isnt it a little surprising and strange how few turnovers the D generated throughout the season?

Good points.

I have been saying this a little around here and I believe it bears repeating.

The Eagles rotated their defensive line all season long.  Here are the snaps played numbers ...

EAGLES
Player : Team : Def Snaps : Def Snap Pct
55-B.Graham : PHI : 666 : 64.60%
75-V.Curry : PHI : 578 : 56.10%
91-F.Cox : PHI : 608 : 59.00%
94-B.Allen : PHI : 422 : 40.90%
93-T.Jernigan : PHI : 492 : 47.70%
56-C.Long : PHI : 496 : 48.10%
96-D.Barnett : PHI : 424 : 41.10%
97-D.Vaeao : PHI : 230 : 22.30%
98-E.Qualls : PHI : 103 : 10.00%
51-S.Means : PHI : 53 : 5.10%
74-J.Hamilton : PHI : 44 : 4.30%

VIKINGS
99-D.Hunter : MIN : 775 : 77.70%
97-E.Griffen : MIN : 795 : 79.70%
92-T.Johnson : MIN : 675 : 67.60%
98-L.Joseph : MIN : 664 : 66.50%
96-B.Robison : MIN : 563 : 56.40%
93-S.Stephen : MIN : 384 : 38.50%
91-S.Weatherly : MIN : 89 : 8.90%
94-J.Johnson : MIN : 41 : 4.10%
90-T.Bower : MIN : 10 : 1.00%

You have to ask why the Vikings did not get Stephen and Johnson more playing time?

The line clearly wore down and Griffen had something going in with his foot at the end.

I hope that Zimmer is able to pick something up from the Eagles and play all of his defensive linemen more.

The line was not getting enough pressure in the last two games.

 This is exactly why our defense wore down.

That an when our offense put 21 points on the board, then they would go all conservative.
We should have just stepped on their throats and been done with it.

Thats the one beef I have with Zimmer.