The Bridgewater decision moves the Vikings a step closer to widespread changes at the quarterback position. NFL Network reported Monday that the Vikings have elected not to use the franchise tag on Case Keenum, who is also set to become a free agent March 14 after throwing for 3,547 yards and 22 touchdowns while leading the Vikings to the NFC Championship Game. Sam Bradford, who began last season as the starter before having his year interrupted because of a knee injury, is also expected to hit free agency.
There is a widespread belief in NFL circles the Vikings could be among the teams vying for the services of Washington quarterback Kirk Cousins, who is scheduled to become a free agent after playing on the franchise tag the past two seasons.
Cousins, who turns 30 in August, has thrown for more than 4,000 yards in each of the past three years, leading the league in completion percentage (69.8) in 2015 and making the Pro Bowl in 2016 after throwing for 4,917 yards.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears. There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets. Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them. Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.
What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ NodakViking said:
There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears. There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets. Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them. Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.
What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.
He also doesn't have the history cousins has, AJ McCarron would be an example of a Mike Glennon.
If the Vikings make a big money move on McCarron I will be upset.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ NodakViking said:
There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears. There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets. Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them. Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.
What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.
Cutler-fair comparison to Cousins, a few years of production no real winning. Big money and a team that ended up in cap hell trying to win with him.
I'm not saying that is Cousins, I actually liked him coming out of MSU and thought it was a great move drafting him even though they had already grabbed a QB.
I'm just a little more skeptical than some, he's not a lock franchise QB IMO. I'll be behind whatever move they make but will probably still be a little skeptical-I've seen too man years of quick fixes that went no where.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ NodakViking said:
There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears. There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets. Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them. Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.
What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.
Cutler-fair comparison to Cousins, a few years of production no real winning. Big money and a team that ended up in cap hell trying to win with him.
I'm not saying that is Cousins, I actually liked him coming out of MSU and thought it was a great move drafting him even though they had already grabbed a QB.
I'm just a little more skeptical than some, he's not a lock franchise QB IMO. I'll be behind whatever move they make but will probably still be a little skeptical-I've seen too man years of quick fixes that went no where.
cutler is the name I keep going to when thinking of comparison... they look like they should be winners, nice stats and all, but for some reason they just cant seem to make the jump. maybe cousins will, maybe he wont, but to date he hasnt really done much more than make stats.... and stacks and stacks of cash for himself.
The fact that Washington was unwilling to commit to him and even Shanahan didn't wait around to sign him makes me a little leery. IDK what to think about him, looks good on paper but I haven't seen much of him and that can be good or bad.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ NodakViking said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ NodakViking said:
There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears. There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets. Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them. Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.
What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.
Cutler-fair comparison to Cousins, a few years of production no real winning. Big money and a team that ended up in cap hell trying to win with him.
I'm not saying that is Cousins, I actually liked him coming out of MSU and thought it was a great move drafting him even though they had already grabbed a QB.
I'm just a little more skeptical than some, he's not a lock franchise QB IMO. I'll be behind whatever move they make but will probably still be a little skeptical-I've seen too man years of quick fixes that went no where.
cutler is the name I keep going to when thinking of comparison... they look like they should be winners, nice stats and all, but for some reason they just cant seem to make the jump. maybe cousins will, maybe he wont, but to date he hasnt really done much more than make stats.... and stacks and stacks of cash for himself.
Ah. Resentment of a QB who gets a large contract at any point. Now this sounds much like comments we were hearing about Bradford last year. Not saying it was you, Jimmy, but others were pretty hung up on Bradford's past earnings.
The Cutler/Cousins comparison is a head shaker. I don't see much beyond the first letter of their last names, to be honest. Cutler was a #1 pick, always esteemed for his great arm strength alone, handed starting jobs, but reputed to be a questionable teammate and unemotional leader. Cousins was a 4th-rounder, afterthought in the RG3 draft, and the Redskins tried to bury him behind Griffin and pretend he wasn't the better player. If Cousins reminds you of detached, sulky Cutler, you must not remember Kirk leading the Skins on a 4-game winning streak to make the playoffs in 2015.
Cousins is a great underdog story, and it's surprising if people resent the single-year salaries he has received the last two seasons. There are a ton of NFL players who received multi-year bonanza contracts and coasted; Cousins bet on himself each of the last two years rather than take a lowball contract from petulant Dan Snyder, and he maintained strong play. All these players are overpaid multimillionaires - Kirk Cousins is far from a spoiled stat machine.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ NodakViking said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ NodakViking said:
There is a potential downside to signing the next big money free agent, look how it worked out for the Bears. There is also validity in the argument that big money QB's can strap their teams when it comes to keeping talented vets. Rogers, Manning, Brees each are/were in situation where they HAD to elevate the talent around them. Paying a QB that kind of money means the QB has to be able to do that.
What Bears FA do you mean - Mike Glennon? I wouldn't call him the "next big money FA" when he signed. It was a failure, but not that expensive, even last season, and they can waive him and only pay $2.5M this year. His signing was kind of a surprise at the time, not at all like the speculation around Cousins. And the experience difference between Glennon and Cousins is enormous. That's a case of management and HC being on separate pages and overall confused. I don't see the similarities whatsoever.
Cutler-fair comparison to Cousins, a few years of production no real winning. Big money and a team that ended up in cap hell trying to win with him.
I'm not saying that is Cousins, I actually liked him coming out of MSU and thought it was a great move drafting him even though they had already grabbed a QB.
I'm just a little more skeptical than some, he's not a lock franchise QB IMO. I'll be behind whatever move they make but will probably still be a little skeptical-I've seen too man years of quick fixes that went no where.
cutler is the name I keep going to when thinking of comparison... they look like they should be winners, nice stats and all, but for some reason they just cant seem to make the jump. maybe cousins will, maybe he wont, but to date he hasnt really done much more than make stats.... and stacks and stacks of cash for himself.
Ah. Resentment of a QB who gets a large contract at any point. Now this sounds much like comments we were hearing about Bradford last year. Not saying it was you, Jimmy, but others were pretty hung up on Bradford's past earnings.
The Cutler/Cousins comparison is a head shaker. I don't see much beyond the first letter of their last names, to be honest. Cutler was a #1 pick, always esteemed for his great arm strength alone, handed starting jobs, but reputed to be a questionable teammate and unemotional leader. Cousins was a 4th-rounder, afterthought in the RG3 draft, and the Redskins tried to bury him behind Griffin and pretend he wasn't the better player. If Cousins reminds you of detached, sulky Cutler, you must not remember Kirk leading the Skins on a 4-game winning streak to make the playoffs in 2015.
Cousins is a great underdog story, and it's surprising if people resent the single-year salaries he has received the last two seasons. There are a ton of NFL players who received multi-year bonanza contracts and coasted; Cousins bet on himself each of the last two years rather than take a lowball contract from petulant Dan Snyder, and he maintained strong play. All these players are overpaid multimillionaires - Kirk Cousins is far from a spoiled stat machine.
where do you get your shit from? i dont resent people who get paid because I sure as fuck dont want people judging me on what I get paid. the similarity is that both have/had nice stats, made a shit ton of money, but never really had any great team success to show for it. I guess cousins was in a bowl game against bama in college so that is pretty respectable but other than that, great personal stats, lots of cash, no trophies or rings of note. i dont know what kind of person cousins is to teammates and fans and shit so i cant say how that compares to baby jay.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
The fact that Washington was unwilling to commit to him and even Shanahan didn't wait around to sign him makes me a little leery. IDK what to think about him, looks good on paper but I haven't seen much of him and that can be good or bad.
he was offered the highest qb contract extension by the skins last may. he turned them down, i would say he wants out of washington.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Retaining Bridgewater in 'some capacity' isn't what I'd call a ringing endorsement as the answer at QB. But they may have to look at him as a Plan B or fall back scenario potentially depending on how things go with either Cousins or Bradford.
I have this feeling the Vikings are going to go get the guy they want in the draft. Teams with high salary caps (which we will have in two years) need your QBs in the first contract. Don't be surprised if the Vikes make a play for Josh Allen. They already scouted him. I think the he fits what the new OC is looking for.
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