Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
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Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....
https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumo...idgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.
Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-...back-2018/
The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
yikes, thank god you're not a GM....
Sam/Teddy are FAR from franchise QB's..... and then in the same sentence you call Cousins a system game manager.
just yikes. i rarely call people flat out wrong, it's all opinions mostly...
but that take is just wrong.
pretty sure he was referring to Case as the game manager.
oh, my mistake then. for sure. Case is a game manager- did a really good job until the playoffs too for that role.
Sam with a healthy knee would be a franchise QB, and if Teddy never got hurt, i think he would be at this point, at least closer to it. now they have a ton of red flags that scare me, personally.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
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health in my opionion tosses Teddy out. Id rather risk it on Sam knowing if he stays healthy like 2 yrs ago hes the best option. if you want a more sure thing sign cousins or case.
I thought I read at some point Sam's knee is feeling ok and it was debunked he was bone on bone? But based on DeFillipo's comments on mobility, I wonder about Sam. Maybe they'll decide to go with him being less mobile because of his arm and accuracy?
Zim was asked about the knee in his season ending PC and he said that the issue for the surgery this year was not likely to be a career threatening issue going forward. bone on bone would IMO certainly be a career threatening issue, but he could have also been just being nice since Sam is slated to become a free agent and he didnt want to make any disparaging comments about a players health.
That's an interesting thought, because you would not do that - give an overly-strong endorsement of a player about to become a free agent - if you wanted him back. Sounds a bit like "buttering someone's bread", where a manager sings the praises of an employee that someone else is considering hiring away.
But we're probably reading too much into every comment. Just as likely, it could mean Zimmer hopes Bradford will be his QB next year and was beginning the process of reassuring fans he will be healthy.
I was thinking more along the legal lines. instead of saying no comment he just flowered it up a bit for Sams sake. He should in no way IMO say anything negative about a pending FAs health status as if he was wrong the player could turn around and sue the team for making a statement that will likely cost the player money in FA, but yeah, its hard to say anything for certain with the comments we get from the coaches, players, and front office people... especially this time of year.
How is a healthy Sam a Franchise QB? When has he ever put a team on his back and carried them to an important win?
I love the arm talent, but there's zero GUMP factor. Hell, Rivers has played many seasons with comparable talent to what Bradford has had around him most of his career and yet Rivers is the one who consistently gets his teams in the Playoff hunt, not Sam.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
How is a healthy Sam a Franchise QB? When has he ever put a team on his back and carried them to an important win?
I love the arm talent, but there's zero GUMP factor. Hell, Rivers has played many seasons with comparable talent to what Bradford has had around him most of his career and yet Rivers is the one who consistently gets his teams in the Playoff hunt, not Sam.
there is a difference between Franchise, QB and top 5 elite HOF QB..
Healthy Sam is a very good QB. but he's never healthy, so it's a invalid point.
besides, Guru has been saying he's 75/25 going to retire, so he's really out of the picture.
Quote: @golfervike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ golfervike said:
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@ Bullazin said:
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@ Ralphie said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....
https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumo...idgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.
Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-...back-2018/
The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
yikes, thank god you're not a GM....
Sam/Teddy are FAR from franchise QB's..... and then in the same sentence you call Cousins a system game manager.
just yikes. i rarely call people flat out wrong, it's all opinions mostly...
but that take is just wrong.
pretty sure he was referring to Case as the game manager.
oh, my mistake then. for sure. Case is a game manager- did a really good job until the playoffs too for that role.
Sam with a healthy knee would be a franchise QB, and if Teddy never got hurt, i think he would be at this point, at least closer to it. now they have a ton of red flags that scare me, personally.
pretty much where i am at, but as i have stated, Teddys injury doesnt scare me if it doesnt scare the medical staff. people point to a WR or RB that have had those injuries and have had lingering issues, but they typically dont want to wear a range limiting brace at those positions, Teddy should be able to wear a protective brace and it should only have limited effect on his game. also I have never bought the story that his knee was fine prior to the dislocation, perfectly healthy knees dont just fly apart. IMO he had some un-diagnosed damage and when he planted or twisted on it his ACL likely gave way and he did the additional damage due to the torque that was applied to the knee and the way he likely crumpled down on it as he collapsed. as long as there is no nerve damage and he is cleared to play, personally I go back to the level of expectation I had for him prior to the injury and based on the player reports of how he has practiced I would be confident in choosing him at likely less than half of what Cousins will command on the open market.
Quote: @golfervike said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Bullazin said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Ralphie said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Take it for what it's worth. I don't think any of these guys know any more than the rest of us, but in Googling the latest chatter on Vikings' QB debate, there's definitely a buzz in the media that the Vikings may be leaning toward Teddy....
https://thevikingage.com/2018/02/12/rumo...idgewater/
NFL Update@MySportsUpdateExecutives around the league expect the #Vikings to give QB Teddy Bridgewater a short term and incentive based “prove it” type deal this offseason. They have not come to a conclusion on what they’ll do with Case Keenum.
Back in November, Over The Cap’s Jason Fitzgerald said he could see the Vikings giving Bridgewater a short-term contract this offseason worth, “between $6 million and $7 million a year plus incentives.” He also mentioned Minnesota probably will not fight to toll the quarterback’s current deal if it ends up looking like something that requires the NFLPA to get involved.
It just makes the most sense. Taking the emotion out of it. He has the most longterm upside of the 3. Give him a contract that pays him as a starter with a chance to build on it. Players usually will bet on themselves. Pay him to avoid the tolling and earn a starters salary, but allowing him to prove himself and earn the big payday. If he does, then the Vikings will be happy to pay him a top salary. If not, he made decent money and gave it a shot.
https://thevikingage.com/2018/01/23/who-...back-2018/
The above article puts the odds of the three being QB in 2018:
Sammy...20%
Case...60%
TB...80%
And the reasoning is pretty straightforward. He'd be the least expensive to sign with the best upside.
My fear is we could see a repeat with Sammy's situation...the Vikes are in the midst of a great season and TB goes down with that bad wheel. Who would be our backup and could we hope to see Case-clone 2.0?
That would be a fear with anyone. No matter who the QB is, he has to be backed up with someone qualified. Read the 3rd article I linked above. Rick calls the backup QB the 2nd most important position on the roster. And with so few appealing options out there in free agency, I keep coming back to the most ideal situation: Sam and Teddy.
Despite preferences what makes it ideal is we have 2 firsts and a 4 th invested in these 2
Ah, that's not "ideal", that's "justifying spent draft picks". I actually hope the team management is not weighing that as a factor, because it can lead to clouded judgment and weaker decision-making. If a draft pick was a mistake - and I am NOT saying either was, just IF - a smart and confident GM admits it and moves on, rather than handicapping a team with a bad Ponder. I mean bad player.
you’re a little off in your own world of Speilly bashing i think. sure it is ideal. we have 2 franchise QB’s in Teddy and Sam. Whats more ideal than that? a system QB game manager that may get 20 million a year on the open market?
yikes, thank god you're not a GM....
Sam/Teddy are FAR from franchise QB's..... and then in the same sentence you call Cousins a system game manager.
just yikes. i rarely call people flat out wrong, it's all opinions mostly...
but that take is just wrong.
good to see you here golfer. you still suck at takes though
Quote: @FSUVike said:
How is a healthy Sam a Franchise QB? When has he ever put a team on his back and carried them to an important win?
I love the arm talent, but there's zero GUMP factor. Hell, Rivers has played many seasons with comparable talent to what Bradford has had around him most of his career and yet Rivers is the one who consistently gets his teams in the Playoff hunt, not Sam.
I would agree that in terms of "IT" factor, leadership, moxie, whatever you want to call it, Sam doesn't appear to have it quite to the level of Teddy.
But for someone who (correctly) insists on factoring in context, you seem to be ignoring a lot with this. Last year was the first time in his career that Bradford had any kind of supporting cast. And that was with a terrible offensive line.
There's no doubt in my mind if Bradford had remained our starter, we'd be talking about him now as one of the elite QBs in the NFL. A franchise QB.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ FSUVike said:
How is a healthy Sam a Franchise QB? When has he ever put a team on his back and carried them to an important win?
I love the arm talent, but there's zero GUMP factor. Hell, Rivers has played many seasons with comparable talent to what Bradford has had around him most of his career and yet Rivers is the one who consistently gets his teams in the Playoff hunt, not Sam.
I would agree that in terms of "IT" factor, leadership, moxie, whatever you want to call it, Sam doesn't appear to have it quite to the level of Teddy.
But for someone who (correctly) insists on factoring in context, you seem to be ignoring a lot with this. Last year was the first time in his career that Bradford had any kind of supporting cast. And that was with a terrible offensive line.
There's no doubt in my mind if Bradford had remained our starter, we'd be talking about him now as one of the elite QBs in the NFL. A franchise QB.
Many Tier 2 QBs have had mediocre supporting casts and managed to stay in the Playoff hunt. Sam has not.
And I have doubts that had he stayed healthy he would have continued to play at the level he did against the Saints.
I recruit people for one of the most well known companies in the world. One of our mantras is that Past Behavior is indicative of Future Performance.
Using that line of legitimate thinking we're actually seen Teddy do more with less than we've seen Sam.
Quote: @FSUVike said
I recruit people for one of the most well known companies in the world. One of our mantras is that Past Behavior is indicative of Future Performance.
Using that line of legitimate thinking we're actually seen Teddy do more with less than we've seen Sam.
I have to disagree...What did Teddy do more of? I wouldn't be bragging about a 30th ranked passing attack.
Sam had way less...he went through 14 different linemen and he had no AP. He pretty much had no running back at all.
As far as past behavior is indicative of the future. Take Foles for instance He didn't last a season as the starting QB for the Rams and Jeff Fisher as coach.
keenum had his worst season as a Ram and his best as a Viking.
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