Garoppolo contract sets the price tag if Vikings want Cousins

[Guest]

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

[Guest]

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

[Guest]

@MaroonBells said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

I would love for the team to be able to keep both him and Teddy for next year and let them compete in camp.  unfortunately, at this point, Sam will never be able to get out from under the cloud of doubt that hangs over his knees and will likely never see any long term money again,  Teddy just needs an opportunity to show that he has no long term issues and then I think he will get a few years.  IMO this would be the best scenario for the team, Sam is a better QB than cousins,  and how much could the team spend on a back up if the bring cousins in?  Teddy would be among the best waiting in the wings guys in the league assuming he doesnt win the #1 job.

[Guest]

@MaroonBells said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

Yes, agewise he isn't that old.  I just think wear and tear wise, he has to be considered a short term guy.  If his knee is bone on bone, it is just a matter of time IMO. 

[Guest]

@greediron said:

@MaroonBells said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

Yes, agewise he isn't that old.  I just think wear and tear wise, he has to be considered a short term guy.  If his knee is bone on bone, it is just a matter of time IMO. 

if his knee was bone on bone he would be done already.

[Guest]

@purplefaithful said:

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

On the flip side, he had us up by 17 in the first half against the Saints (and late into the 3rd quarter), and went toe to toe against Brees late in the game, taking back the lead twice in the final 2:20 after our defense and offensive line decided to go to complete shit.

Unfortunately the defense and offensive line continued their abysmal play into the Eagles game and it was too much to overcome against a very good team on the road.

[Guest]

@JimmyinSD said:

@MaroonBells said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:

@greediron said:

@StickyBun said:
If the Vikings want Cousins and they can remain in the ballpark with competing offers, he'll sign in Minnesota. I have no doubt about it. But we don't know if they are even interested. So many factors in play here for the QB decision and I believe that Sloter's upside might play into it, one way or the other. 

I sure as hell hope they aren't banking on Sloter's potential.  I want a franchise QB now.  Sloter is potential insurance, that is all.  A good card to have in your pocket, but not worth betting on right now.

Who's the franchise QB? See, that's the problem. There's no clear answer, which honestly isn't great....and might mean there isn't one. Not sure what 'banking' on his potential means, but if the organization feels good about him (Sloter), then he's part of the longer-term equation in some lesser way right now. Nobody is talking about starting the kid yet, he's got a lot to prove just to be considered a backup.

Who's worth 'betting on' is completely subjective, that's kind of the whole point. Any move will have risk, every choice has a downside potentially. As I've said before, I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with whomever the team decides to get behind. 

There are options for franchise QB, that is what the thread is about.  Cousins, Teddy, Case, Sam are all options.  Sam is a bit passed the prime for the franchise portion, but he could be a good bridge to the next QB.  Which could be Sloter.  But a uber raw development project is just that.  A long term project and I hope the Vikings don't pass up current options because they are waiting for Sloter to develop. 

I think Sam getting overlooked by a lot of folks. The knee is much more of a problem for him than age. He's roughly the same age as Kirk Cousins. He's 9 years younger than Brees; 10 years younger than Brady.

He's a gamble, but if he's past that knee thing (I know, big IF), then someone is going to score big with him. Especially when you consider, because of the knee, he can't draw a very big (or long term) contract. I think he could be the perfect acquisition for a team looking to draft a QB high in the draft. 

I would love for the team to be able to keep both him and Teddy for next year and let them compete in camp.  unfortunately, at this point, Sam will never be able to get out from under the cloud of doubt that hangs over his knees and will likely never see any long term money again,  Teddy just needs an opportunity to show that he has no long term issues and then I think he will get a few years.  IMO this would be the best scenario for the team, Sam is a better QB than cousins,  and how much could the team spend on a back up if the bring cousins in?  Teddy would be among the best waiting in the wings guys in the league assuming he doesnt win the #1 job.

I think this is the best option. Not only because I believe they are the two most talented QBs on our roster, but simply because the money (and term) you'll have to give Keenum will make him the defacto starter whether he deserves it or not. 

But it only works if you can keep Teddy off the market. Otherwise, you're going to have to choose between the two. In that situation, I think they go with Teddy and bring in a veteran backup. 

[Guest]

@SFVikingFan said:

@purplefaithful said:

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

On the flip side, he had us up by 17 in the first half against the Saints (and late into the 3rd quarter), and went toe to toe against Brees late in the game, taking back the lead twice in the final 2:20 after our defense and offensive line decided to go to complete shit.

Unfortunately the defense and offensive line continued their abysmal play into the Eagles game and it was too much to overcome against a very good team on the road.

That Pick 6 into triple coverage was clearly on the O-Line and Defense, right?

[Guest]

@FSUVike said:

@SFVikingFan said:

@purplefaithful said:

True...And while I cannot in good faith lay the root of our embarrassing demise in Philly solely at the feet of Case (cough, cough defense cough blew cough chunks)  he did have a 73 QBR when the going got tough against The Saints and Eagles. 

On the flip side, he had us up by 17 in the first half against the Saints (and late into the 3rd quarter), and went toe to toe against Brees late in the game, taking back the lead twice in the final 2:20 after our defense and offensive line decided to go to complete shit.

Unfortunately the defense and offensive line continued their abysmal play into the Eagles game and it was too much to overcome against a very good team on the road.

That Pick 6 into triple coverage was clearly on the O-Line and Defense, right?

I think you need to watch the replay again.  

Yes, the interception was clearly on the offensive line as Keenum was hit as he threw the ball.  And there were TWO Eagles, one in front and one behind Thielen (both at least 4 yards from him), but there was plenty of room to complete that throw and that is a play the Vikings had executed successfully multiple times throughout the season.

But keep pushing this triple coverage fallacy if you want.

[Guest]