Quote: @silverjoel said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
Why is Smith even in the discussion? What has he done that makes anyone think he would be better than Keenum?
Do you mean beside playing at a level of play for many years that is just as good or better than Keenum's only good season? Besides that, I would guess better downfield passer, stronger arm, more success, much more playoff experience, winning on multiple teams in multiple systems...
And Smith still hasn't shown he can win in the playoffs. What does that say about Keenum? Open to your interpretation.
Benched for Kaep in San Fran, and the undisputed leader for a team that has been at the the pinnacle of mediocrity ever since. Yeah, I'd put my eggs in that 33 yr. old basket.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ silverjoel said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
Why is Smith even in the discussion? What has he done that makes anyone think he would be better than Keenum?
Do you mean beside playing at a level of play for many years that is just as good or better than Keenum's only good season? Besides that, I would guess better downfield passer, stronger arm, more success, much more playoff experience, winning on multiple teams in multiple systems...
And Smith still hasn't shown he can win in the playoffs. What does that say about Keenum? Open to your interpretation.
Benched for Kaep in San Fran, and the undisputed leader for a team that has been at the the pinnacle of mediocrity ever since. Yeah, I'd put my eggs in that 33 yr. old basket. If playoffs 4/5 years and an average record of about 11-5 over that period while having generally poor defenses is mediocre, sure. If Keenum's only good season is just slightly better than an average year from Smith, what does that mean for Keenum?
Not necessarily Pining for Smith but his WR group has sucked for years. Kelce was it until last year now Hill is there but he's a unique player when you are talking WR.
I'd be ok with Smith-not exciting but I think he would fit the need. They can bring Sloter along slowly and maybe draft a guy if none of the FA stick around. The Vikings have enough cap to do what they 'want' to do thankfully.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
Not necessarily Pining for Smith but his WR group has such med for years. Kelce was it until last year now Hill is there but he's a unique player when you are talking WR.
I'd be ok with Smith-not exciting but I think he would fit the need. They can bring Sloter along slowly and maybe draft a guy if none of the FA stick around. The Vikings have enough cap to do what they 'want' to do thankfully.
the question then is what will the Chiefs want for Smith? He is likely good for about 2 to 3 years, maybe a 3 to 4, but I dont see him being one of those that plays until they are 40. so what is a short term bonfide NFL starting caliber in the twilight of his career worth? I like Smith, but I dont want to give up anything higher than a 6th round pick. We cant afford to lose draft picks with the roster that we have, our high priced guys have to be offset with cheap but talented players on their rookie deals.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ NodakViking said:
Not necessarily Pining for Smith but his WR group has such med for years. Kelce was it until last year now Hill is there but he's a unique player when you are talking WR.
I'd be ok with Smith-not exciting but I think he would fit the need. They can bring Sloter along slowly and maybe draft a guy if none of the FA stick around. The Vikings have enough cap to do what they 'want' to do thankfully.
the question then is what will the Chiefs want for Smith? He is likely good for about 2 to 3 years, maybe a 3 to 4, but I dont see him being one of those that plays until they are 40. so what is a short term bonfide NFL starting caliber in the twilight of his career worth? I like Smith, but I dont want to give up anything higher than a 6th round pick. We cant afford to lose draft picks with the roster that we have, our high priced guys have to be offset with cheap but talented players on their rookie deals.
I agree, I'm not advocating a trade for him just saying he's a good fit if they are without one of the current 3 but feel positive about Sloter. I guess it depends on how any suitors there are and how badly they need to move on from him and avoid the tension next season. Probably worth a phone call if they are looking.
If I have to pick one of the current three all 100% healthy and equal money-I'd prefer Teddy, then Case, then Sam. I don't know enough about the health of Sam or Teddy to be super confident though. I sure wish Teddy would have got more playing time, Case signing somewhere else likely brings the highest comp pick, Teddy might be the friendliest contract option. Sam-I have no idea, he has all the tools but now looking at 31 with 2x repaired knee that has cost him the better part of 3 seasons.
I don't see much of a situation where 2 of the 3 stay even if they spend the money so I'd look for another rookie too if Sloter can be #2.
I would prefer Teddy also. He is younger and is a well loved, strong leader. The problem is he was benched in favor of the other two by the coaches who actually have first hand information. And then there is the self inflicted knee problem....
With the past regimes I would expect that no matter who they kept it would be the wrong one. He would never be above mediocre and would always be injured while the two we didnt keep, they would go one to hall of fame careers while beating us in Superbowls and NFCCGs.
I expect more from the current staff. Not sure why it has to be such a mystery or why it had to devolve into this.
Tebow had guts and fire, too. But he couldn't throw a spiral. I love Case as a human being. I'm not old enough to have loved Joe Kapp... but he was a helluva guy, too. But he wasn't the kind of QB that was going to win games for you. He just wouldn't lose them. Having heart is great; but being able to make all the throws- and having the skill to do it- is pretty important too.
Quote: @pumpf said:
Tebow had guts and fire, too. But he couldn't throw a spiral. I love Case as a human being. I'm not old enough to have loved Joe Kapp... but he was a helluva guy, too. But he wasn't the kind of QB that was going to win games for you. He just wouldn't lose them. Having heart is great; but being able to make all the throws- and having the skill to do it- is pretty important too.
In Hawaii they say “The proof is in the bread pudding”. They really like their bread pudding.
Your argument would be good except he just led the Vikes to a 14-4 season. Its not like he was 7-9. So Im not sure what to so with this.
Quote: @Poiple said:
@ pumpf said:
Tebow had guts and fire, too. But he couldn't throw a spiral. I love Case as a human being. I'm not old enough to have loved Joe Kapp... but he was a helluva guy, too. But he wasn't the kind of QB that was going to win games for you. He just wouldn't lose them. Having heart is great; but being able to make all the throws- and having the skill to do it- is pretty important too.
In Hawaii they say “The proof is in the bread pudding”. They really like their bread pudding.
Your argument would be good except he just led the Vikes to a 14-4 season. Its not like he was 7-9. So Im not sure what to so with this.
Did he really "lead" them... or was he part of a "team" that was successful together? I'd say that our defense had alot to do with our 14-4 record. Case- this year- was more than a "game-manager"... but not by much (imo).
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ Poiple said:
@ pumpf said:
Tebow had guts and fire, too. But he couldn't throw a spiral. I love Case as a human being. I'm not old enough to have loved Joe Kapp... but he was a helluva guy, too. But he wasn't the kind of QB that was going to win games for you. He just wouldn't lose them. Having heart is great; but being able to make all the throws- and having the skill to do it- is pretty important too.
In Hawaii they say “The proof is in the bread pudding”. They really like their bread pudding.
Your argument would be good except he just led the Vikes to a 14-4 season. Its not like he was 7-9. So Im not sure what to so with this.
Did he really "lead" them... or was he part of a "team" that was successful together? I'd say that our defense had alot to do with our 14-4 record. Case- this year- was more than a "game-manager"... but not by much (imo).
whats funny is if somebody were to say Teddy led the team to the playoffs in 15 they would get screamed at about ADs rushing title and the defense, but when its Case... the improved defense, OL, coaching scheme, receivers, without the running back production declining, all get over looked by many.
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