Quote: @Ilovebigtd's said:
bob is a homer
Well thats going to help...
Quote: @Ilovebigtd's said:
bob is a homer
Aren't they both Vikings?? I want the best QB to play, not the guy that smiles nicely and is a good guy
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
maybe if we scored points and stayed on the field longer then the defense just maybe wouldnt of given up so many points.
i dont care how good your D is but if theyre constantly on the field then thats on the offense.
and you want to tout Teddy and his 31rst ranked passing offense as the future??? please.....
yeah because teddy has always had a offense like this.
bob sometimes i question your intelligence.
31st offense... mike wallace was our number receiver at one point.. let that sink in. our offensive line was the worst o line in the nfl.
along with norv turners 6 step drop backs mixed with a horrid o line = disaster.
even with that we still made the playoffs and were a missed fg away from advancing.
this team finally has weapons for once. give teddy a chance.
honestly man youre not so smart.
AHHHHHHH the Teddy excuse book version 1.0 Wallace went to Baltimore and a real QB throwing him the ball and had just under 1000 yards receiving i believe, Teddy couldn't get the ball in the same area code to him.
Teddy's claim to fame was he won a comeback game in college that his team finished ranked 22nd or something like that. He had zero Heisman votes and the the kid that came in after him is much better. If you want to keep crying about potential, then you should want to bring in Manziel He had potential as well. Teddy is the most OVER RATED Viking of all time. He has done absolutely nothing to be so enamored. please dont tell me he led us to the playoffs in 2015, he didnt AP and the Defense did. I am so glad that you think you are much smarter than me and back it up with Teddy excuses instead actual facts. But carry on....
welcome back Bob,
Teddy had no pass protection to be able to let those deep routes that wallace lives on develop. i also recall Wallace screwing the pooch on at least 2 of those deep routes where Teddy put the ball on the money. I dont think wallaces success in a different offense is necessarily condemning of Teddy.
Thank you Jimmy,
Its a poor carpenter that blames his tools, unless you want to say the same thing about all of QBs over the past 10? years Ponder had no one, but he sucked... Teddy had no one but he is great?? potential means he hasnt done anything yet, 14 TDs 2 years in a row, 31st ranked passing offense, sacked once every 10.5 pass attempts, fumbles way too much, cant/wont throw the ball into a tight window, sorry I have seen enough of Teddy to take a hard pass on him going forward.
but recognizing when others are handicapped is fine. who the hell has said that Teddy was great? with any young QB you want potential, its a good thing.
as far as the carpenter bit... Teddy wasnt making the argument, I was, therefore it wasnt the carpenter blaming the tools, it was an observer that recognizes potential or at least a hindrance to success. I am not going to get into the stupid ass argument again, but if you are going to do it, at least have some perspective otherwise it just looks like a silly witch hunt.
(of course now I will get condemned as a Teddy fanboy or some other retarded name meant to try and pigeon hole me and but me into a position I never made.....)
Jesus Christ man, give it a rest, relax... I posted facts to go along with my opinion, i guess that will condemn me into a hater right?
look at it with some perspective, ok name things that Teddy has done that makes him so adored that he deserves another chance? did Ponder get this many? he did the same thing Teddy did, Keenum did it even better, much better
again... perspective. Teddy wasnt playing in the same situation as either Ponder or Keenum. Case had a much better line and a much better receiving corp, and a much better system.
or nevermind, just keep being angry Bob and see who wants to converse.
I am conversing just fine, I have given my opinion based upon facts, not perspective and what ifs or even potential, hell, put a good line in front of me, give me great receivers and running backs I could be really good too.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Bypassing Teddy the last 2 weeks and making him inactive are telling.
Not really if you know the reason behind it. The decision was made because Shurmur felt more comfortable calling plays for Sam since he has been able to get him in a rhythm before. It was more about the rapport as play caller/player.
Maybe, Geoff. I won't dismiss what you are saying. But on the other hand....what? Shurmur 'felt more comfortable' with Sam? It says Teddy might be the least trusted QB on this roster if that's the case. It will all come out in the wash, anyway here in the next few months and we'll find out exactly how the organization feels about their QB situation.
Sorry, "feels more comfortable" sounds like a weak excuse - especially since we heard that Teddy "looks like Joe Montana" and other superlatives from players and coaches when he started practicing. Now, I know those comments were hyperbole (to be extremely polite), but those have been cited as evidence of his recovery and his comfort with the playbook - and Bridgewater's supporters will use those again, I am certain.
I always figured that, even if fully healthy, Bridgewater would need a long time to recover his throwing mechanics. He could be perfectly "healthy" but not back to the actual functionality he had pre-injury.
I don't get the carpenter metaphor. I've
never seen Teddy try to blame his teammates for anything.
Also, that metaphor is talking about a carpenter
who is blaming inanimate objects, insinuating that tools have no effect in the
matter only the user. With regards to
football, the only way that metaphor would make sense is if you insinuated that
Teddy was blaming his gloves or shoes or helmet or the football or whatnot. It doesn’t make sense to try and assume that
the other 10 players on offense have no effect on the outcome of the play. Better players make other players around him
better. Worse players make the job
harder for the other players.
Quote: @Canthony said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
maybe if we scored points and stayed on the field longer then the defense just maybe wouldnt of given up so many points.
i dont care how good your D is but if theyre constantly on the field then thats on the offense.
and you want to tout Teddy and his 31rst ranked passing offense as the future??? please.....
yeah because teddy has always had a offense like this.
bob sometimes i question your intelligence.
31st offense... mike wallace was our number receiver at one point.. let that sink in. our offensive line was the worst o line in the nfl.
along with norv turners 6 step drop backs mixed with a horrid o line = disaster.
even with that we still made the playoffs and were a missed fg away from advancing.
this team finally has weapons for once. give teddy a chance.
honestly man youre not so smart.
AHHHHHHH the Teddy excuse book version 1.0 Wallace went to Baltimore and a real QB throwing him the ball and had just under 1000 yards receiving i believe, Teddy couldn't get the ball in the same area code to him.
Teddy's claim to fame was he won a comeback game in college that his team finished ranked 22nd or something like that. He had zero Heisman votes and the the kid that came in after him is much better. If you want to keep crying about potential, then you should want to bring in Manziel He had potential as well. Teddy is the most OVER RATED Viking of all time. He has done absolutely nothing to be so enamored. please dont tell me he led us to the playoffs in 2015, he didnt AP and the Defense did. I am so glad that you think you are much smarter than me and back it up with Teddy excuses instead actual facts. But carry on....
welcome back Bob,
Teddy had no pass protection to be able to let those deep routes that wallace lives on develop. i also recall Wallace screwing the pooch on at least 2 of those deep routes where Teddy put the ball on the money. I dont think wallaces success in a different offense is necessarily condemning of Teddy.
Let it go with him. He has been spanking the same rhetoric stuff since April. Over and over again, carbon copy posts everywhere he could. I had to block him.
Life is better for me with the ability to laugh at narcissistic behavior and not letting things get to me. So much more peaceful.
Oh goody. You are back here being an arrogant dickhead like you are at the other place. Dude I defended your ass many times here. Then you became a donkey. But sure blame others like always. Carry on...
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Bypassing Teddy the last 2 weeks and making him inactive are telling.
Not really if you know the reason behind it. The decision was made because Shurmur felt more comfortable calling plays for Sam since he has been able to get him in a rhythm before. It was more about the rapport as play caller/player.
Maybe, Geoff. I won't dismiss what you are saying. But on the other hand....what? Shurmur 'felt more comfortable' with Sam? It says Teddy might be the least trusted QB on this roster if that's the case. It will all come out in the wash, anyway here in the next few months and we'll find out exactly how the organization feels about their QB situation.
Sorry, "feels more comfortable" sounds like a weak excuse - especially since we heard that Teddy "looks like Joe Montana" and other superlatives from players and coaches when he started practicing. Now, I know those comments were hyperbole (to be extremely polite), but those have been cited as evidence of his recovery and his comfort with the playbook - and Bridgewater's supporters will use those again, I am certain.
I always figured that, even if fully healthy, Bridgewater would need a long time to recover his throwing mechanics. He could be perfectly "healthy" but not back to the actual functionality he had pre-injury.
Other than 6 plays vs Cincy Pat never called plays for Teddy-never was in his ear piece, or dissecting play calls between drives, or having a film room session with him. To me it makes total sense. Shurmur was more familiar and comfortable with a QB he has spent several seasons with vs a guy that he never called a live game or game planned for.
Quote: @NodakViking said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Bypassing Teddy the last 2 weeks and making him inactive are telling.
Not really if you know the reason behind it. The decision was made because Shurmur felt more comfortable calling plays for Sam since he has been able to get him in a rhythm before. It was more about the rapport as play caller/player.
Maybe, Geoff. I won't dismiss what you are saying. But on the other hand....what? Shurmur 'felt more comfortable' with Sam? It says Teddy might be the least trusted QB on this roster if that's the case. It will all come out in the wash, anyway here in the next few months and we'll find out exactly how the organization feels about their QB situation.
Sorry, "feels more comfortable" sounds like a weak excuse - especially since we heard that Teddy "looks like Joe Montana" and other superlatives from players and coaches when he started practicing. Now, I know those comments were hyperbole (to be extremely polite), but those have been cited as evidence of his recovery and his comfort with the playbook - and Bridgewater's supporters will use those again, I am certain.
I always figured that, even if fully healthy, Bridgewater would need a long time to recover his throwing mechanics. He could be perfectly "healthy" but not back to the actual functionality he had pre-injury.
Other than 6 plays vs Cincy Pat never called plays for Teddy-never was in his ear piece, or dissecting play calls between drives, or having a film room session with him. To me it makes total sense. Shurmur was more familiar and comfortable with a QB he has spent several seasons with vs a guy that he never called a live game or game planned for.
This is what I am getting at. Its not that they couldn't have built that relationship. But to build it on the fly when your starting QB goes down isn't ideal. At least with Bradford both sides have some in-game familiarity.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ NodakViking said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ StickyBun said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Bypassing Teddy the last 2 weeks and making him inactive are telling.
Not really if you know the reason behind it. The decision was made because Shurmur felt more comfortable calling plays for Sam since he has been able to get him in a rhythm before. It was more about the rapport as play caller/player.
Maybe, Geoff. I won't dismiss what you are saying. But on the other hand....what? Shurmur 'felt more comfortable' with Sam? It says Teddy might be the least trusted QB on this roster if that's the case. It will all come out in the wash, anyway here in the next few months and we'll find out exactly how the organization feels about their QB situation.
Sorry, "feels more comfortable" sounds like a weak excuse - especially since we heard that Teddy "looks like Joe Montana" and other superlatives from players and coaches when he started practicing. Now, I know those comments were hyperbole (to be extremely polite), but those have been cited as evidence of his recovery and his comfort with the playbook - and Bridgewater's supporters will use those again, I am certain.
I always figured that, even if fully healthy, Bridgewater would need a long time to recover his throwing mechanics. He could be perfectly "healthy" but not back to the actual functionality he had pre-injury.
Other than 6 plays vs Cincy Pat never called plays for Teddy-never was in his ear piece, or dissecting play calls between drives, or having a film room session with him. To me it makes total sense. Shurmur was more familiar and comfortable with a QB he has spent several seasons with vs a guy that he never called a live game or game planned for.
This is what I am getting at. Its not that they couldn't have built that relationship. But to build it on the fly when your starting QB goes down isn't ideal. At least with Bradford both sides have some in-game familiarity.
I agree. It was the playoffs and experimenting with Teddy in the playoffs isnt the time to do it. Bradford had played at a higher level much more recently than Teddy. I think the decision was a no brainer.
I'm certainly not blaming Case for the loss. But I don't believe that he could've "won" that game for us. I do believe that a QB like Brees, Rodgers, etc could. That's not a knock on Case as much as it is a statement (opinion) of reality. He is what he is; and I think that he is a very good backup QB. I don't think he's the guy to lead us to a Super Bowl... but I suppose he could manage the offense to a Super Bowl win, if the Defense and Special teams carried the team. But the defense that I saw on Sunday wasn't the kind that was good enough to carry the whole team (like Baltimore's did... or, more recently, Denver's).
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