Bypassing Teddy the last 2 weeks and making him inactive are telling.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
maybe if we scored points and stayed on the field longer then the defense just maybe wouldnt of given up so many points.
i dont care how good your D is but if theyre constantly on the field then thats on the offense.
and you want to tout Teddy and his 31rst ranked passing offense as the future??? please.....
yeah because teddy has always had a offense like this.
bob sometimes i question your intelligence.
31st offense... mike wallace was our number receiver at one point.. let that sink in. our offensive line was the worst o line in the nfl.
along with norv turners 6 step drop backs mixed with a horrid o line = disaster.
even with that we still made the playoffs and were a missed fg away from advancing.
this team finally has weapons for once. give teddy a chance.
honestly man youre not so smart.
AHHHHHHH the Teddy excuse book version 1.0 Wallace went to Baltimore and a real QB throwing him the ball and had just under 1000 yards receiving i believe, Teddy couldn't get the ball in the same area code to him.
Teddy's claim to fame was he won a comeback game in college that his team finished ranked 22nd or something like that. He had zero Heisman votes and the the kid that came in after him is much better. If you want to keep crying about potential, then you should want to bring in Manziel He had potential as well. Teddy is the most OVER RATED Viking of all time. He has done absolutely nothing to be so enamored. please dont tell me he led us to the playoffs in 2015, he didnt AP and the Defense did. I am so glad that you think you are much smarter than me and back it up with Teddy excuses instead actual facts. But carry on....
welcome back Bob,
Teddy had no pass protection to be able to let those deep routes that wallace lives on develop. i also recall Wallace screwing the pooch on at least 2 of those deep routes where Teddy put the ball on the money. I dont think wallaces success in a different offense is necessarily condemning of Teddy.
Let it go with him. He has been spanking the same rhetoric stuff since April. Over and over again, carbon copy posts everywhere he could. I had to block him.
Life is better for me with the ability to laugh at narcissistic behavior and not letting things get to me. So much more peaceful.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
maybe if we scored points and stayed on the field longer then the defense just maybe wouldnt of given up so many points.
i dont care how good your D is but if theyre constantly on the field then thats on the offense.
and you want to tout Teddy and his 31rst ranked passing offense as the future??? please.....
yeah because teddy has always had a offense like this.
bob sometimes i question your intelligence.
31st offense... mike wallace was our number receiver at one point.. let that sink in. our offensive line was the worst o line in the nfl.
along with norv turners 6 step drop backs mixed with a horrid o line = disaster.
even with that we still made the playoffs and were a missed fg away from advancing.
this team finally has weapons for once. give teddy a chance.
honestly man youre not so smart.
AHHHHHHH the Teddy excuse book version 1.0 Wallace went to Baltimore and a real QB throwing him the ball and had just under 1000 yards receiving i believe, Teddy couldn't get the ball in the same area code to him.
Teddy's claim to fame was he won a comeback game in college that his team finished ranked 22nd or something like that. He had zero Heisman votes and the the kid that came in after him is much better. If you want to keep crying about potential, then you should want to bring in Manziel He had potential as well. Teddy is the most OVER RATED Viking of all time. He has done absolutely nothing to be so enamored. please dont tell me he led us to the playoffs in 2015, he didnt AP and the Defense did. I am so glad that you think you are much smarter than me and back it up with Teddy excuses instead actual facts. But carry on....
welcome back Bob,
Teddy had no pass protection to be able to let those deep routes that wallace lives on develop. i also recall Wallace screwing the pooch on at least 2 of those deep routes where Teddy put the ball on the money. I dont think wallaces success in a different offense is necessarily condemning of Teddy.
Thank you Jimmy,
Its a poor carpenter that blames his tools, unless you want to say the same thing about all of QBs over the past 10? years Ponder had no one, but he sucked... Teddy had no one but he is great?? potential means he hasnt done anything yet, 14 TDs 2 years in a row, 31st ranked passing offense, sacked once every 10.5 pass attempts, fumbles way too much, cant/wont throw the ball into a tight window, sorry I have seen enough of Teddy to take a hard pass on him going forward.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Bypassing Teddy the last 2 weeks and making him inactive are telling.
Not really if you know the reason behind it. The decision was made because Shurmur felt more comfortable calling plays for Sam since he has been able to get him in a rhythm before. It was more about the rapport as play caller/player.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Bypassing Teddy the last 2 weeks and making him inactive are telling.
Not really if you know the reason behind it. The decision was made because Shurmur felt more comfortable calling plays for Sam since he has been able to get him in a rhythm before. It was more about the rapport as play caller/player.
Maybe, Geoff. I won't dismiss what you are saying. But on the other hand....what? Shurmur 'felt more comfortable' with Sam? It says Teddy might be the least trusted QB on this roster if that's the case. It will all come out in the wash, anyway here in the next few months and we'll find out exactly how the organization feels about their QB situation.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Plenty of blame to go around. This was a complete collapse of the entire team. Coaching, DL, OL, QB, DB, LB, poor tackling, poor play calls on both sides, bad decisions, players out of place, injuries. We were warned that teams who win in dramatic fashion often come out flat the next week. And because this was a total team collapse, focus might be the most likely culprit.
It's just as foolish to hold Keenum blameless as it is to put all the blame on him. Vikings have a huge decision to make. Before yesterday's game, I would've given the odds of committing to Case at slightly above 50%. I would now put it below 50%. I don't think it goes down TOO much because his price just dropped dramatically--not just for us, but for all the other teams as well.
This isn't just on him, but my fear all season was that he, like Cunningham 20 years ago, wasn't the purple messiah come down to take us to the promise land, but rather the sexy siren luring us away from our starter-led destiny and onto the rocky coast. I'm funny like that. Only difference now is that we didn't commit to him before the end of the year, which is a big, important difference as we enter into what should be 2 to 4 years of competing for a title.
We can now objectively assess the situation in the off season based on a dozen different factors: money, OC, health, film, etc. But we've GOT to get this QB decision right. I'm as curious as anyone else to see how it all shakes out.
Going into the playoffs Case had the opportunity to cement himself into the Vikings 2018 plans. At worst he'd be leaving the door cracked open for alternatives. The Vikings didn't commit to anyone during the season besides Bradford in week 1. That leaves politics out of it and the FO can make a decision on talent alone.
I do think last night sways the Vikings more towards a franchise/transition tag with Keenum. There is a lot of risk in a mult-year deal that could handcuff the team if there is any sort of regression. $23M is a nice chunk of change, but it gives the Vikings flexibility moving forward.
If they don't blow everyone away and sign someone outside the org, I see this as the most likely scenario. And, I like the flex it gives the org on-going too.
Quote: @Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
maybe if we scored points and stayed on the field longer then the defense just maybe wouldnt of given up so many points.
i dont care how good your D is but if theyre constantly on the field then thats on the offense.
and you want to tout Teddy and his 31rst ranked passing offense as the future??? please.....
yeah because teddy has always had a offense like this.
bob sometimes i question your intelligence.
31st offense... mike wallace was our number receiver at one point.. let that sink in. our offensive line was the worst o line in the nfl.
along with norv turners 6 step drop backs mixed with a horrid o line = disaster.
even with that we still made the playoffs and were a missed fg away from advancing.
this team finally has weapons for once. give teddy a chance.
honestly man youre not so smart.
AHHHHHHH the Teddy excuse book version 1.0 Wallace went to Baltimore and a real QB throwing him the ball and had just under 1000 yards receiving i believe, Teddy couldn't get the ball in the same area code to him.
Teddy's claim to fame was he won a comeback game in college that his team finished ranked 22nd or something like that. He had zero Heisman votes and the the kid that came in after him is much better. If you want to keep crying about potential, then you should want to bring in Manziel He had potential as well. Teddy is the most OVER RATED Viking of all time. He has done absolutely nothing to be so enamored. please dont tell me he led us to the playoffs in 2015, he didnt AP and the Defense did. I am so glad that you think you are much smarter than me and back it up with Teddy excuses instead actual facts. But carry on....
welcome back Bob,
Teddy had no pass protection to be able to let those deep routes that wallace lives on develop. i also recall Wallace screwing the pooch on at least 2 of those deep routes where Teddy put the ball on the money. I dont think wallaces success in a different offense is necessarily condemning of Teddy.
Thank you Jimmy,
Its a poor carpenter that blames his tools, unless you want to say the same thing about all of QBs over the past 10? years Ponder had no one, but he sucked... Teddy had no one but he is great?? potential means he hasnt done anything yet, 14 TDs 2 years in a row, 31st ranked passing offense, sacked once every 10.5 pass attempts, fumbles way too much, cant/wont throw the ball into a tight window, sorry I have seen enough of Teddy to take a hard pass on him going forward.
but recognizing when others are handicapped is fine. who the hell has said that Teddy was great? with any young QB you want potential, its a good thing.
as far as the carpenter bit... Teddy wasnt making the argument, I was, therefore it wasnt the carpenter blaming the tools, it was an observer that recognizes potential or at least a hindrance to success. I am not going to get into the stupid ass argument again, but if you are going to do it, at least have some perspective otherwise it just looks like a silly witch hunt.
(of course now I will get condemned as a Teddy fanboy or some other retarded name meant to try and pigeon hole me and but me into a position I never made.....)
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
maybe if we scored points and stayed on the field longer then the defense just maybe wouldnt of given up so many points.
i dont care how good your D is but if theyre constantly on the field then thats on the offense.
and you want to tout Teddy and his 31rst ranked passing offense as the future??? please.....
yeah because teddy has always had a offense like this.
bob sometimes i question your intelligence.
31st offense... mike wallace was our number receiver at one point.. let that sink in. our offensive line was the worst o line in the nfl.
along with norv turners 6 step drop backs mixed with a horrid o line = disaster.
even with that we still made the playoffs and were a missed fg away from advancing.
this team finally has weapons for once. give teddy a chance.
honestly man youre not so smart.
AHHHHHHH the Teddy excuse book version 1.0 Wallace went to Baltimore and a real QB throwing him the ball and had just under 1000 yards receiving i believe, Teddy couldn't get the ball in the same area code to him.
Teddy's claim to fame was he won a comeback game in college that his team finished ranked 22nd or something like that. He had zero Heisman votes and the the kid that came in after him is much better. If you want to keep crying about potential, then you should want to bring in Manziel He had potential as well. Teddy is the most OVER RATED Viking of all time. He has done absolutely nothing to be so enamored. please dont tell me he led us to the playoffs in 2015, he didnt AP and the Defense did. I am so glad that you think you are much smarter than me and back it up with Teddy excuses instead actual facts. But carry on....
welcome back Bob,
Teddy had no pass protection to be able to let those deep routes that wallace lives on develop. i also recall Wallace screwing the pooch on at least 2 of those deep routes where Teddy put the ball on the money. I dont think wallaces success in a different offense is necessarily condemning of Teddy.
Thank you Jimmy,
Its a poor carpenter that blames his tools, unless you want to say the same thing about all of QBs over the past 10? years Ponder had no one, but he sucked... Teddy had no one but he is great?? potential means he hasnt done anything yet, 14 TDs 2 years in a row, 31st ranked passing offense, sacked once every 10.5 pass attempts, fumbles way too much, cant/wont throw the ball into a tight window, sorry I have seen enough of Teddy to take a hard pass on him going forward.
but recognizing when others are handicapped is fine. who the hell has said that Teddy was great? with any young QB you want potential, its a good thing.
as far as the carpenter bit... Teddy wasnt making the argument, I was, therefore it wasnt the carpenter blaming the tools, it was an observer that recognizes potential or at least a hindrance to success. I am not going to get into the stupid ass argument again, but if you are going to do it, at least have some perspective otherwise it just looks like a silly witch hunt.
(of course now I will get condemned as a Teddy fanboy or some other retarded name meant to try and pigeon hole me and but me into a position I never made.....)
Jesus Christ man, give it a rest, relax... I posted facts to go along with my opinion, i guess that will condemn me into a hater right?
look at it with some perspective, ok name things that Teddy has done that makes him so adored that he deserves another chance? did Ponder get this many? he did the same thing Teddy did, Keenum did it even better, much better
Quote: @Tom Moore said:
those blaming Case Keenum, then who do we credit for the 13 wins he had (12 as a starter andvsaved our ass in Chicago)
I haven't read every response to this thread, but I haven't read any blaming Keenum entirely. His first drive was brilliant. After the pick six, not so much. It was as if the entire team, Keenum too, lost its confidence after that play. I wish I knew why.
But to answer your question, I credit Keenum, our defense, our OC and our improved line and WRs. But not necessarily in that order. I'm not sure why a team with the NFL's #1 ranked defense, the league's most sought after OC, and a roster full of very capable starters has to attribute its success to one player, especially considering how this team looked before Bradford was hurt. There is a lot of context to factor in that some refuse to consider.
And for the record, I still believe that a healthy Bradford or Bridgewater would've let us to a similar record. Maybe not quite as good. Maybe even better. It's impossible to know.
Quote: @Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
maybe if we scored points and stayed on the field longer then the defense just maybe wouldnt of given up so many points.
i dont care how good your D is but if theyre constantly on the field then thats on the offense.
and you want to tout Teddy and his 31rst ranked passing offense as the future??? please.....
yeah because teddy has always had a offense like this.
bob sometimes i question your intelligence.
31st offense... mike wallace was our number receiver at one point.. let that sink in. our offensive line was the worst o line in the nfl.
along with norv turners 6 step drop backs mixed with a horrid o line = disaster.
even with that we still made the playoffs and were a missed fg away from advancing.
this team finally has weapons for once. give teddy a chance.
honestly man youre not so smart.
AHHHHHHH the Teddy excuse book version 1.0 Wallace went to Baltimore and a real QB throwing him the ball and had just under 1000 yards receiving i believe, Teddy couldn't get the ball in the same area code to him.
Teddy's claim to fame was he won a comeback game in college that his team finished ranked 22nd or something like that. He had zero Heisman votes and the the kid that came in after him is much better. If you want to keep crying about potential, then you should want to bring in Manziel He had potential as well. Teddy is the most OVER RATED Viking of all time. He has done absolutely nothing to be so enamored. please dont tell me he led us to the playoffs in 2015, he didnt AP and the Defense did. I am so glad that you think you are much smarter than me and back it up with Teddy excuses instead actual facts. But carry on....
welcome back Bob,
Teddy had no pass protection to be able to let those deep routes that wallace lives on develop. i also recall Wallace screwing the pooch on at least 2 of those deep routes where Teddy put the ball on the money. I dont think wallaces success in a different offense is necessarily condemning of Teddy.
Thank you Jimmy,
Its a poor carpenter that blames his tools, unless you want to say the same thing about all of QBs over the past 10? years Ponder had no one, but he sucked... Teddy had no one but he is great?? potential means he hasnt done anything yet, 14 TDs 2 years in a row, 31st ranked passing offense, sacked once every 10.5 pass attempts, fumbles way too much, cant/wont throw the ball into a tight window, sorry I have seen enough of Teddy to take a hard pass on him going forward.
but recognizing when others are handicapped is fine. who the hell has said that Teddy was great? with any young QB you want potential, its a good thing.
as far as the carpenter bit... Teddy wasnt making the argument, I was, therefore it wasnt the carpenter blaming the tools, it was an observer that recognizes potential or at least a hindrance to success. I am not going to get into the stupid ass argument again, but if you are going to do it, at least have some perspective otherwise it just looks like a silly witch hunt.
(of course now I will get condemned as a Teddy fanboy or some other retarded name meant to try and pigeon hole me and but me into a position I never made.....)
Jesus Christ man, give it a rest, relax... I posted facts to go along with my opinion, i guess that will condemn me into a hater right?
look at it with some perspective, ok name things that Teddy has done that makes him so adored that he deserves another chance? did Ponder get this many? he did the same thing Teddy did, Keenum did it even better, much better
again... perspective. Teddy wasnt playing in the same situation as either Ponder or Keenum. Case had a much better line and a much better receiving corp, and a much better system.
or nevermind, just keep being angry Bob and see who wants to converse.
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