Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him.
only time ive ever disageed with you. ive turned into a case homer!!! In my mind you do what hes done, its his job to lose in 2018.
Now if we go into training camp and hes gained 50#s and hasnt seen the inside of a gym then yeah he’ll lose the job. But to me its kind of an insult to not have him as #1 on the depth chart
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ Tom Moore said:
I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health. Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.
Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.
I'd go Case, and sign Sam too. Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years. We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star. If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.
Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind? I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday. Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday? Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?
Do you honestly think either would go into an open compitition training camp when they both would be day 1 starters on other teams?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
He deserves to be retained on a team friendly long-term deal or the franchise tag, he doesn't deserve to have the 2018 starting job handed to him.
only time ive ever disageed with you. ive turned into a case homer!!! In my mind you do what hes done, its his job to lose in 2018.
Now if we go into training camp and hes gained 50#s and hasnt seen the inside of a gym then yeah he’ll lose the job. But to me its kind of an insult to not have him as #1 on the depth chart
I dont think he is saying he isnt the incumbent starter, I think he is saying you make him compete in camp to retain the job. bring in a #2 that will challenge him and will have the opportunity to start if he out plays Case in camp and preseason.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ Tom Moore said:
I have long said that Sam has the best arm, but untrustworthy on health. Case is like Favre (not as good yet) - ballsy gunslinger with emotion and right leadership attitude.
Teddy is one of the nicest guys ever, but so mild mannered and still uncertain on the deep throws or what condition he is really in after a major, major knee rebuild.
I'd go Case, and sign Sam too. Lock-up $30M+ in the QB position over the next 2 years. We have the cap space and then you hedge your bet of a mistake and risk Bridgewater becoming a star. If you do that, and it fails, Viking fans will realize you made the safest bet you could.
Tom, any insight into Bridgewater's mind? I was a little taken back that he wasn't in the locker room for very long at all after the game Sunday. Maybe he just doesn't want to be a distraction, or is he starting to distance himself from the team a little more, especially after Sam was named the backup on Sunday? Did you get any sense either way from him or the team on Sunday?
I think Teddy has once again removed himself from the possibility of being a distraction. He knows the media will try and create friction if given the opportunity, by removing himself from the media there will be no chance of a comment being taken and twisted on him. He made himself scarce pretty much the whole time he was on IR and even once he was back he didnt give much. I dont think Teddy is the kind of guy to get bitter, I am sure he is disappointed but will always be a good person.
My guess is Teddy didn't want to answer questions about being deactivated after that game-you know that would have been one of the things the media would have been looking for even after that ending. I think it was a good move, don't tempt them or give them anything to use for controversy at this point in time. He seemed actively engaged on the sidelines and he has always seemed close and engaged with his teammates-I doubt he goes all pouty bitch now-just not his MO to this point I his career.
The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision.
Lemme see a healthy QB with plenty of pocket awareness, makes clutch throws, and is on the brink of taking his team to the superbowl vs. 2 QB's with highly questionable health histories, and some spotty performance track records.... Who ya gonna sign first?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision.
I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. This was no Trent Dilfer type situation.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
Lemme see a healthy QB with plenty of pocket awareness, makes clutch throws, and is on the brink of taking his team to the superbowl vs. 2 QB's with highly questionable health histories, and some spotty performance track records.... Who ya gonna sign first?
Yep, with each win Case is making the decision easier for the Vikes. The question still remains when does he have enough wins? If they lose Sunday, did he do enough, or does he need to get to the SB?
Personally, I'd be shocked if Case isn't a Viking next season. The guy has consistantly exceeded any realistic expectations, and the team loves him. No way are they going to let him walk without an offer.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ MaroonBells said:
The height of arrogance to let him leave? What the hell does that mean? Everyone is for having a contract conversation with Case Keenum. Whether we sign him or not depends on how much his agent thinks he's worth vs. how much the Vikings think he's worth. Those two things may not be as close as Seifert thinks, especially considering the fact that we have two other talented QBs who may factor into the decision.
I think the arrogance would be in the organization believing that Case is a placeholder and that any semi-competent QB could have accomplished the same results given the tools around him, and the defense keeping us in games. Pretty sure that was the consensus among a lot of people for most of his time as a starter. Zimmer didn't give him much credit with the "horseshoe up his butt" comment. I would hope that maybe even the experts could admit that they had it all wrong, and while not perfect, Case has the intangibles that make him a bonafide upper tier NFL starter. At least for now.
is he or isnt he? you hedged your comment with the "at least for now". I get it, he has question marks especially with the changes coming at OC, so when talking about the future its really hard to say he is going to be worth paying upper tier money as you say he is.
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