Admittedly I didn't read much of this thread but my .02.
Bridgewater will one day be a force to be reckoned with... but that's my personal opinion.
We know what we have in Bradford: a GREAT QB who can't shake the injury bug. But when he's healthy, he's a top 5 QB.
I'll hesitate to talk shit on Keenum because I currently love the guy, but he's a serviceable guy in a great offense. I actually think he can still grow a bit more, but...
Whatever. Let's enjoy yesterday and the fact that next Sunday we all get to go crazy again.
Quote: @KingBash said:
Admittedly I didn't read much of this thread but my .02.
Bridgewater will one day be a force to be reckoned with... but that's my personal opinion.
We know what we have in Bradford: a GREAT QB who can't shake the injury bug. But when he's healthy, he's a top 5 QB.
I'll hesitate to talk shit on Keenum because I currently love the guy, but he's a serviceable guy in a great offense. I actually think he can still grow a bit more, but...
Whatever. Let's enjoy yesterday and the fact that next Sunday we all get to go crazy again.
I agree Kb, Nicely said.
Also, I hear what Geoff says about not signing anyone now but I dont quite agree with that philosophy either.
Id like to see them sign Keenum ASAP and also Bradford for the reasons you mention. Also as insurance if Keenum struggles under a new coordinator. I think he will be just fine. His brand of gutsy football plays well with most coordinators. He is accurate enough, athletic and plays all out to win.
I will take that anyday.
I like all 3 QBs. I don’t
think it’s been said, but my gut says that Bradford just needed his knee
cleaned out rather than having arthritis or something like that. If that’s the case, I don’t think teams would
punish him too much for that. If it’s arthritis
or something permanent, I think he’s destined for short term situations or
backup duty. Bridgewater is my favorite
of the 3 longterm as I think he blends the best of Case and Bradford, but just
hasn’t shown it yet. I don’t think his
inactivation changes that, it’s just that Bradford has so much more experience
in this system and with Shurmur right now, so it makes sense for him to be the
backup to Case right now. Case has a lot
of moxie and moves really well from pressure.
I think they are all smart QBs.
They all can read defenses. They
all generally make the right decisions.
They are all tough. These are the
toughest traits to find in a QB. I think
our offense is a little over-rated right now.
The playcalling is making things easier on everyone, and I’m not sure
that whoever comes after Shurmur is going to be able to replicate this success,
but hopefully we’ll be able to upgrade our OLine again after this offseason, so
that it’s less dependent on Shurmur, Thielen, and Diggs.
A lot of people are saying that we should keep Case and
Bridgewater and that Bradford is the odd man out due to his knee. I don’t see that as a likely
possibility. Bridgewater wants to start
so bad. I think he’ll go wherever a
starting job shows itself or where he can likely outcompete a young QB. Bradford on the other hand, seems to be the
one most likely to accept a backup position depending on his knee situation. The best case situation that I can see is
keeping either Case or Bridgewater, defining them the starter, and keeping
Bradford as a backup if he’s willing to do that.
I think a lot of the magic Case has right now is more
Vikings related. I think we’re charmed
this year and that we’re riding destiny right now. I’m not sure how to breakdown how much is due
Case’s skill and how much is due to luck, or charm or magic. Skill lasts and makes it’s own luck, but often
luck just happens and you just need to be happy it happened to you. I’m glad I don’t have to make this decision.
Quote: @medaille said:
I like all 3 QBs. I don’t
think it’s been said, but my gut says that Bradford just needed his knee
cleaned out rather than having arthritis or something like that. If that’s the case, I don’t think teams would
punish him too much for that. If it’s arthritis
or something permanent, I think he’s destined for short term situations or
backup duty. Bridgewater is my favorite
of the 3 longterm as I think he blends the best of Case and Bradford, but just
hasn’t shown it yet. I don’t think his
inactivation changes that, it’s just that Bradford has so much more experience
in this system and with Shurmur right now, so it makes sense for him to be the
backup to Case right now. Case has a lot
of moxie and moves really well from pressure.
I think they are all smart QBs.
They all can read defenses. They
all generally make the right decisions.
They are all tough. These are the
toughest traits to find in a QB. I think
our offense is a little over-rated right now.
The playcalling is making things easier on everyone, and I’m not sure
that whoever comes after Shurmur is going to be able to replicate this success,
but hopefully we’ll be able to upgrade our OLine again after this offseason, so
that it’s less dependent on Shurmur, Thielen, and Diggs.
A lot of people are saying that we should keep Case and
Bridgewater and that Bradford is the odd man out due to his knee. I don’t see that as a likely
possibility. Bridgewater wants to start
so bad. I think he’ll go wherever a
starting job shows itself or where he can likely outcompete a young QB. Bradford on the other hand, seems to be the
one most likely to accept a backup position depending on his knee situation. The best case situation that I can see is
keeping either Case or Bridgewater, defining them the starter, and keeping
Bradford as a backup if he’s willing to do that.
I think a lot of the magic Case has right now is more
Vikings related. I think we’re charmed
this year and that we’re riding destiny right now. I’m not sure how to breakdown how much is due
Case’s skill and how much is due to luck, or charm or magic. Skill lasts and makes it’s own luck, but often
luck just happens and you just need to be happy it happened to you. I’m glad I don’t have to make this decision.
I think this is a pretty solid take and I agree with a lot of it. I'd love to be able to keep two of these guys to hedge our bets. I just don't know how feasible that is financially, outside of tolling Teddy's contract. Each one is a gamble, but each one has the potential to pay off huge for the GM ready to throw in his chips.
Bradford is clearly the best of the bunch and the most likely to do well in the short term, regardless of OC. If he's healthy, he's an elite QB. He could appeal to a team like the Jags or Broncos or Cards who might think they're a QB away.
I think Keenum has played himself into a starting opportunity and the contract that goes with it, but I really would be surprised if it's in Minnesota. Over the last several weeks where his really great throws seem to have caught up to his really bad throws, I've become convinced that he probably can be a long-term starting QB. And not a half bad one. But outside of Shurmur's offense, and those two miraculous receivers, it's hard to see him repeating what he's done this year.
Like you, I think the most likely to have us kicking ourselves 3, 4 years down the road if we let him go? #5.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ A1Janitor said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ A1Janitor said:
LMAO ignorance of some?
Go fuck yourself. Who makes you smarter?
Let's go back the past month and look at who thinks Teddy is better than Case and should be our qb.
Does it make you feel better to tell another VIKING fan to fuck off??? Now if he was a Packer/Saint/Seachicken fan I could see but geez why can't we all just have a debate without going personal on it.
And no you aren't the only guilty. But telling someone to fuck off is going to get the thread closed.
I will he goddamned if anyone becomes arrogant about how fucking smart they are or calls me names ...
My vikings won with our qb Case Keenum. He has earned a contract. I am sorry for the Teddy fans that think Teddy is more accurate (he isn't) or has a better arm (he doesn't).
I agree on Case. I disagree on turning a competitive thread ugly. The only reason "you're" smarter is you think you're "right" just as other people are entitled to their own opinion. Give it a rest. Enjoy the week. We're playing the the GD NFCC game against a wounded Eagles team with the chance to play a home SB.
post of the decade right there.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
And I am not a Case homer. I think Sam is our best qb. And I think Teddy is done.
I'm afraid this is probably true. No way they had to activate Sam, he could stayed on the IR. As fragile as he is, they activated him just in case, and that means they are not totally sure about Teddy.
The Bradford activation and Teddy being inactive just makes me wonder.
Zimmer-schaude. He loves messing with people and is very secretive in regards to the injury report. So once Teddy was available of PUP, he was active and Zimmer started pimping him. Wouldn't rule out starting him over Case and the media goes crazy with it keeping the story running for weeks upon weeks. (insert here that even a gimpy, rusty Teddy is a better option that a RAW Sloter) Zimmer likely felt the team was vulnerable with no real backup to Case. Bradford was always week to week until Teddy was back and then he was put on temp IR.
Teddy even gets a few snaps to bolster the story, but really it is about the emotional return. Get the butterflies and ovations out of the way. But Teddy doesn't play again even thought there are possible chances.
Once Bradford is eligible to return, he is activated and elevated to backup.
So is it possible Teddy wasn't as ready as made out to be, but that was the narrative to protect Case. If teams knew we didn't have a real backup other than Sloter, there are some that may have tried to take Case out and would have really hurt the team. If Teddy was almost ready to take over the starting job from Case, I just don't see Bradford over taking him after 1 week of practice. Yes, Bradford has played in this system, had more starting reps in the system and both being healthy and in shape, Bradford would be the better choice. But Sam was bone on bone, may never play again, seeking alternative options.
Where that leaves us for next year is so up in the air.
Quote: @medaille said:
A lot of people are saying that we should keep Case and
Bridgewater and that Bradford is the odd man out due to his knee. I don’t see that as a likely
possibility. Bridgewater wants to start
so bad. I think he’ll go wherever a
starting job shows itself or where he can likely outcompete a young QB. Bradford on the other hand, seems to be the
one most likely to accept a backup position depending on his knee situation. The best case situation that I can see is
keeping either Case or Bridgewater, defining them the starter, and keeping
Bradford as a backup if he’s willing to do that.
Agreed for the reasons you mentioned. My choice...barring any free agency wheeling and dealing (Cousins, et al)...would be for next season:
Case Keenum, starting QB
Sammy Bradford, backup
Kyle Sloter, 3rd string
Quote: @greediron said:
The Bradford activation and Teddy being inactive just makes me wonder.
Zimmer-schaude. He loves messing with people and is very secretive in regards to the injury report. So once Teddy was available of PUP, he was active and Zimmer started pimping him. Wouldn't rule out starting him over Case and the media goes crazy with it keeping the story running for weeks upon weeks. (insert here that even a gimpy, rusty Teddy is a better option that a RAW Sloter) Zimmer likely felt the team was vulnerable with no real backup to Case. Bradford was always week to week until Teddy was back and then he was put on temp IR.
Teddy even gets a few snaps to bolster the story, but really it is about the emotional return. Get the butterflies and ovations out of the way. But Teddy doesn't play again even thought there are possible chances.
Once Bradford is eligible to return, he is activated and elevated to backup.
So is it possible Teddy wasn't as ready as made out to be, but that was the narrative to protect Case. If teams knew we didn't have a real backup other than Sloter, there are some that may have tried to take Case out and would have really hurt the team. If Teddy was almost ready to take over the starting job from Case, I just don't see Bradford over taking him after 1 week of practice. Yes, Bradford has played in this system, had more starting reps in the system and both being healthy and in shape, Bradford would be the better choice. But Sam was bone on bone, may never play again, seeking alternative options.
Where that leaves us for next year is so up in the air.
Well, as I said before, I think there are very good football reasons to elevate Bradford to #2. Experience, familiarity, arm talent. There's one good reason for Teddy as QB2 that we talked about last week, and that has to do with ball delivery. As Thielen pointed out, Keenum and Bridgewater throw a similar ball, so you could argue that Keenum to Bridgewater would be less of an adjustment for the receivers than Keenum to Bradford.
But I also suspect that Zimmer, having watched Teddy go in against the Bengals all jacked up with the crowd chanting his name, didn't want to put Teddy in a high-pressure situation where that scene could very likely repeat itself. I think Zimmer even mentioned in the past that he wished the crowd wouldn't do that.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ A1Janitor said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ A1Janitor said:
LMAO ignorance of some?
Go fuck yourself. Who makes you smarter?
Let's go back the past month and look at who thinks Teddy is better than Case and should be our qb.
Does it make you feel better to tell another VIKING fan to fuck off??? Now if he was a Packer/Saint/Seachicken fan I could see but geez why can't we all just have a debate without going personal on it.
And no you aren't the only guilty. But telling someone to fuck off is going to get the thread closed.
I will he goddamned if anyone becomes arrogant about how fucking smart they are or calls me names ...
My vikings won with our qb Case Keenum. He has earned a contract. I am sorry for the Teddy fans that think Teddy is more accurate (he isn't) or has a better arm (he doesn't).
I agree on Case. I disagree on turning a competitive thread ugly. The only reason "you're" smarter is you think you're "right" just as other people are entitled to their own opinion. Give it a rest. Enjoy the week. We're playing the the GD NFCC game against a wounded Eagles team with the chance to play a home SB.
post of the decade right there.
Nah. Your green bay post was.
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